Does ebay pi$$ anybody else off besides me?

[nate379]

I haven't bid on stuff on eBay in probably 10 years. I go on there once in a while for things, but I just use the "buy it now".

 

[Toolhorder]

Those who say the auction should be extended if a snipe bid is entered do not understand how the incremental bid system works.

If the current bid is $500 and I snipe $510 dollars with one nano second left in the auction, I may still lose. If the high bidder's maximum bid was $600, my $510 dollar bid would be entered and the current bid would increment to $520. The high bidder would still win with a closing price of $520.

The highest maximum bid always wins, whether entered at the start of the auction, or with 1 nanosecond left. It doesn't matter if the bid is entered manually or with a sniping service.

Like I said, I understand how it works completely. I don't think repeating my point is worth my time.

 

[Justanoldguy]

Ebay needs to act like a real auctioneer and extend the auction a couple minutes when a last minute bid comes in giving others a chance to increase their bid or let the new bid take the auction.

In New Zealand, we use www.TradeMe.co.nz

It works exactly like that. Extends the auction 2 mins so no last second bidders. It use to be like that and it was exciting. But they changed it and I don't complain.

 

[american lockpicker]

I don't like bidding. If I want something I want it. I don't waste time bidding I search the internet for the best deal and buy new.

 

[WNYflyer]

As an Ebay noob it was pretty easy to pick up how the system works. In my opinion sniping allows the bidder to play his cards close to vest while others are flushing themselves out. Sniping allows the snipe bidder to gleen information from the other bidders before playing his hand, at least for items with few bidders. Takes a little studying to see the tendencies and how things work.

But ultimately as others have said, all that matters is how much each and everyone one of us are willing to pay. I have lost auctions I later look at and say I am relieved I lost. I have also wons ones where I said, damn I think I overpaid.

But of course I always feel pretty good about my win/losses, but that is because the human mind has that wonderful capability to rationalize almost anything in our own favor.

 

[BBQ&Love]

I dislike sniping too. I understand how ebay works and dislike that as well. Ebay needs to act like a real auctioneer and extend the auction a couple minutes when a last minute bid comes in giving others a chance to increase their bid or let the new bid take the auction. It would be better for everyone actually except the sneaky buyers who cheat the system. Ebay would collect more fees and sellers would get more bids.
When ebay was created I'm sure buyers with snipe programs were not in the business model.

Are you aware that every single sniping service has direct permission from eBay to operate? If they cost ebay money I guarantee eBay would disallow them.

 

[Kirbot]

Cheating???

The other person was willing to pay more than you so they got the item and you didn't. It's as simple as that. If you had put in your max bid higher, perhaps you could have won the item.

Exactly

Set your max bid to the absolute maximum your willing to pay, and sniping will never be a problem.
If somebody wins an auction for less than you were willing to pay, there's nobody to blame but yourself.

I honestly don't see whats so complicated about that.

 

[hofferwood]

JMO

Computer generated snipers, "I wish a Irreversible Bois virus upon you"

Manual snipers "Go for it"

WHY?

Laziness vs Assertiveness

That's all I'm gonna say.

Chuck

 

[trout]

as mentioned sniping is good for avoiding bidding wars and shill bidding. it seems if I don't snipe I lose the auction as I'm not willing to overpay like other ebayers.

this is what annoys me on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360344207917

Currently at $16.71+$5 shipping. I can just buy it new from Snap on for $16.40+98 cents tax.

 

[Skin]

I dislike sniping too. I understand how ebay works and dislike that as well. Ebay needs to act like a real auctioneer and extend the auction a couple minutes when a last minute bid comes in giving others a chance to increase their bid or let the new bid take the auction. It would be better for everyone actually except the sneaky buyers who cheat the system. Ebay would collect more fees and sellers would get more bids.
When ebay was created I'm sure buyers with snipe programs were not in the business model.

But its not like a real auction. The maximum bid amounts are secret as opposed to an auction house where its all announced. The good thing about the current system is it lets someone essentially buy the item outright, assuming they put in the highest bid. With your system every auction would be a bid war which most people avoid, hence last second bids. Likewise i dont think i like the idea of sitting at my computer for 10 minutes as the auction continuously gets extended by miniscule amounts with one bidder hoping the other gets tired of hanging around.

As i said sniping ensures absolutely nothing. If anything its a gamble since its effectively a one shot deal that you'll take the auction hoping that you'll exceed someones max bid. I've lost many auctions trying to scramble and get in last second bids but never quite overtaking the high bidder. I dont whine about it. Its just how it works.

 

[Justanoldguy]

as mentioned sniping is good for avoiding bidding wars and shill bidding..

Not sure I understand how it avoids shill bidding?

 

[65 Malibu SS]

Using a snipe service allows the bidder freedom so you don't have to be sitting at the computer hitting the refresh key every few seconds while watching the auction end. Put in your max bid and forget about it. Put in an early high bid and it gives your competition a target to shoot at. There's no need to get into a bidding war and run the price up. If you win that's good. If you don't win another one will come up for sale. You also don't have to worry about your PC connection failing at the last minute.

 

[jhelrey]

Here is how I do it...

Open the auction up in two windows. One to watch the time, one to place the bid. Place your max bid. It will then ask you are you sure or whatever it says. Don't click that yet. Set the windows side by side. Once you see it count down to 5 seconds, click place bid. It will get in at the last second or two.

I've won many for cheap.

I've also set my max bid because I was going to be gone and figured I would get outbid only to find out my bid at $50.00 won it instead of my bid at $85.00. Sweet!

 

[hydramatic]

Esnipe.com no hassle bidding for you...

 

[Skin]

Using a snipe service allows the bidder freedom so you don't have to be sitting at the computer hitting the refresh key every few seconds while watching the auction end. Put in your max bid and forget about it. Put in an early high bid and it gives your competition a target to shoot at. There's no need to get into a bidding war and run the price up. If you win that's good. If you don't win another one will come up for sale. You also don't have to worry about your PC connection failing at the last minute.

ebay updated some time ago so that the auction part streams automatically. The timer counts down and bids are updated in real time. There is no need to hit refresh.

 

[johnsdeere850j]

I dislike sniping too. I understand how ebay works and dislike that as well. Ebay needs to act like a real auctioneer and extend the auction a couple minutes when a last minute bid comes in giving others a chance to increase their bid or let the new bid take the auction. It would be better for everyone actually except the sneaky buyers who cheat the system. Ebay would collect more fees and sellers would get more bids.
When ebay was created I'm sure buyers with snipe programs were not in the business model.

EXACTLY!!!

 

[johnsdeere850j]

Like I said, I understand how it works completely. I don't think repeating my point is worth my time.

It's pointeless man all these guys on here are the ones that do it us, it would be like complaining to the devil about hell or something

 

[BJ42LX]

"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

If you can't join 'em, play online Sodoku instead! More auction wins for the rest of us!

 

[trout]

Not sure I understand how it avoids shill bidding?

if you don't put in a bid, the seller can't bid against you. most cases of shill bidding don't involve the shill bidder taking the lead, but only bidding in small amounts to drive up existing bids while never being the highest bidder.

 

[Jim C.]

It's pointeless man all these guys on here are the ones that do it us, it would be like complaining to the devil about hell or something

JohnsDeere,

I NEVER "snipe!!" I don't have snipe program, and I don't plan on getting one. At some point near the end of an auction, I bid my MAXIMUM!!!!! Then I walk away!!! I come back later and see if I won or not. It's so simple!!! You want second chances, notifications, do overs, extra time to re-bid, etc. Ebay rules are pretty simple. BID YOUR MAXIMUM!!! You're disappointed because some guy sniped you with three seconds left in the auction. If you had bid your MAXIMUM and let it ride, you might have won. The other guy outbid you. Who cares if it was three seconds before the auction ended or not!! The auction has a time limit. That's how it works. You're probably one of those guys who bids ten times in row in five dollar increments until you're in the lead. Then you hope no one else will bid and you'll win the item for less than what you're willing to pay for it. Well, Ebay didn't screw you, and the high bid sniper didn't screw you either. In an auction that has well defined time limits, you just plain got beat out. Man up, stop complaining, and face it. You didn't bid you MAX and you lost. Better luck next time.

 

[Kirbot]

You all do realize that when you set you maximum bid, ebay will bid automatically for you until it reaches your maximum, right?

If an item is going for $20, and you set your maximum bid at $50, ebay will only bid high enough to put you in the lead, or until it reaches $50, whichever comes first.
Just because you bid $50, doesn't necessarily mean your going to pay $50.


I do the same as Jim C, I choose my maximum bid, and then let ebay worry about placing the bids. I come back after the auction is over, and see If I won it. I really wouldn't care, or even know if there where any snipe bidder.

 

[johnsdeere850j]

JohnsDeere,

I NEVER "snipe!!" I don't have snipe program, and I don't plan on getting one. At some point near the end of an auction, I bid my MAXIMUM!!!!! Then I walk away!!! I come back later and see if I won or not. It's so simple!!! You want second chances, notifications, do overs, extra time to re-bid, etc. Ebay rules are pretty simple. BID YOUR MAXIMUM!!! You're disappointed because some guy sniped you with three seconds left in the auction. If you had bid your MAXIMUM and let it ride, you might have won. The other guy outbid you. Who cares if it was three seconds before the auction ended or not!! The auction has a time limit. That's how it works. You're probably one of those guys who bids ten times in row in five dollar increments until you're in the lead. Then you hope no one else will bid and you'll win the item for less than what you're willing to pay for it. Well, Ebay didn't screw you, and the high bid sniper didn't screw you either. In an auction that has well defined time limits, you just plain got beat out. Man up, stop complaining, and face it. You didn't bid you MAX and you lost. Better luck next time.

You don't understand... I was winning by like 200 dollars. Then whoooosh faster than humanly possible it went over me by like a few cents. I would pay the few cents if i had a chance to. I am about to give up on this thread, seems like y'all dont even read what I write. Here I will test my theory: blah blah blah blah i like pepperjack cheese on my subway sandwiches it is cloudy outside kind of rainy i prefer the italian bmt from subway over the other sandwiches.

Guaranteed I will get more of the same responses I have been getting, people trying to make me feel like a stupid person by saying I don't understand how ebay works and not asking why the hell I wrote about subway. Anybody who does read this, just watch and wait you will see....

 

[johnsdeere850j]

You all do realize that when you set you maximum bid, ebay will bid automatically for you until it reaches your maximum, right?

If an item is going for $20, and you set your maximum bid at $50, ebay will only bid high enough to put you in the lead, or until it reaches $50, whichever comes first.
Just because you bid $50, doesn't necessarily mean your going to pay $50.


I do the same as Jim C, I choose my maximum bid, and then let ebay worry about placing the bids. I come back after the auction is over, and see If I won it. I really wouldn't care, or even know if there where any snipe bidder.

Dang, I did not realize that. Thank you.

In fact, I have no idea how ebay works... Could you or someone else please explain it to me again? Maybe word it like you would to a 3rd grader or to your dog?

 

[Skin]

You don't understand... I was winning by like 200 dollars. Then whoooosh faster than humanly possible it went over me by like a few cents. I would pay the few cents if i had a chance to. I am about to give up on this thread, seems like y'all dont even read what I write.

You're the one not reading, or at least fully understanding, what people are telling you. Ebay is an incremental system. The person who won the auction might very well have put one thousand dollars as their max bid. Ebay ONLY stops the price at the next increment. Go to ebay, find an auction, below the place to enter a bid you'll see "(Enter US $**.** or more)" thats the minimum required to get to the next increment. So in your original case with the impacts, lets say you bid 503.55, the next increment to take the lead from you was probably around 510, last second bidder places a bid for 600 and automatically trumps your max bid and it goes to the next increment. You have no idea how much it would have taken to outbid him. It could very well have been quite a bit more than a few cents, or a couple dollars.

 

[johnsdeere850j]

You're the one not reading, or at least fully understanding, what people are telling you. Ebay is an incremental system. The person who won the auction might very well have put one thousand dollars as their max bid. Ebay ONLY stops the price at the next increment. Go to ebay, find an auction, below the place to enter a bid you'll see "(Enter US $**.** or more)" thats the minimum required to get to the next increment. So in your original case with the impacts, lets say you bid 503.55, the next increment was probably around 510, last second bidder places a bid for 600 and automatically trumps your max bid and it goes to the next increment. You have no idea how much it would have taken to outbid him. It could very well have been quite a bit more than a few cents, or a couple dollars.

No I get it I just cant fathom how anybody would want to bid any higher than that, new from snap on was just a bit more than my max. I just assume it was some guy using a computer cheat to steal it from me for mere dollars over my max. If it were me I would have tried a 30 or 50 dollar step ups at time, not something retarded drastic like over 200 bucks at one time. I guess you're telling me that people do that? Well more power to them if they want to pay retail on used ****

 

[trout]

No I get it I just cant fathom how anybody would want to bid any higher than that, new from snap on was just a bit more than my max. I just assume it was some guy using a computer cheat to steal it from me for mere dollars over my max. If it were me I would have tried a 30 or 50 dollar step ups at time, not something retarded drastic like over 200 bucks at one time. I guess you're telling me that people do that? Well more power to them if they want to pay retail on used ****

ebay is a hard place to buy Snap On, there are a lot of international bidders who find it cheaper to buy on ebay than through Snap On because of the price difference in their country. They probably used a sniping program set at the full retail price.

 

[turrican]

But they always steal it from me for a couple bucks at the last second, thats not fair I'd gladly pay the few extra bucks if it comes down to that... Guess I will just pay retail from now on.

Problem is, you'd gladly pay a few extra bucks, but then the other guy might pay a buck or two above that, etc etc. It's often very difficult to be strict with yourself - especially if you're bidding on a WANT and not a NEED kind of thing (believe me, I do know).

What I do is either use a sniping program (in which case I still put my max bid at pretty much what I'd enter normally anyways) or I bid (usually on the last day) a little above my max. That way, if it bumps up that "couple extra bucks", I'm still happy, but if it goes above THAT, though I might be annoyed I didn't win, at least I know I didn't just throw money at it until I won.

Oh, but to address the thread title: yes, it does piss me off when I don't win something I really want, losing only by a buck or two

 

[johnsdeere850j]

ebay is a hard place to buy Snap On, there are a lot of international bidders who find it cheaper to buy on ebay than through Snap On because of the price difference in their country. They probably used a sniping program set at the full retail price.

AH. I never even thought of that. I do appreciate serious replies like this one, I learn stuff

 

[trout]

AH. I never even thought of that. I do appreciate serious replies like this one, I learn stuff

You're welcome, if you look back at the example I posted on page 3, the ratchet spinner that retails for under $17 is now over $20, the seller is willing to ship to Europe and Australia.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360344207917

 

[johnsdeere850j]

Problem is, you'd gladly pay a few extra bucks, but then the other guy might pay a buck or two above that, etc etc. It's often very difficult to be strict with yourself - especially if you're bidding on a WANT and not a NEED kind of thing (believe me, I do know).

What I do is either use a sniping program (in which case I still put my max bid at pretty much what I'd enter normally anyways) or I bid (usually on the last day) a little above my max. That way, if it bumps up that "couple extra bucks", I'm still happy, but if it goes above THAT, though I might be annoyed I didn't win, at least I know I didn't just throw money at it until I won.

That is a good idea with the bidding a bit above your max, guess I will just go with that next time and whatever happens at least I know what people are up to...

 

[Capri driver]

You don't understand... I was winning by like 200 dollars. Then whoooosh faster than humanly possible it went over me by like a few cents. I would pay the few cents if i had a chance to. I am about to give up on this thread, seems like y'all dont even read what I write. <snipped all Subway comments>

You did have the chance to pay the few cents by bidding higher in the first place. A lot of people wait until the last minute to place their bids. It doesn't matter when the bids were placed, the high bidder always wins. Someone bid more than you did and they won. As long as your max bid is the most you are willing to pay you shouldn't get upset. Like you said, new from Snap On wasn't much over your max.

 

[johnsdeere850j]

You're welcome, if you look back at the example I posted on page 3, the ratchet spinner that retails for under $17 is now over $20, the seller is willing to ship to Europe and Australia.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360344207917

Incredible

 

[johnsdeere850j]

You did have the chance to pay the few cents by bidding higher in the first place. A lot of people wait until the last minute to place their bids. It doesn't matter when the bids were placed, the high bidder always wins. Someone bid more than you did and they won.

Well then I didn't want to because I thought I was the only one interested. In hindsight had a known someone with a computer cheat was interested I would have bid more

 

[Daddy_Rabbit]

Does ebay pi$$ anybody else off besides me?

No. The rest of the world understands how it actually works.

 

[johnsdeere850j]

No. The rest of the world understands how it actually works.

hahahahaha yeah you're a funny guy

 

[north]

ebay is a hard place to buy Snap On, there are a lot of international bidders who find it cheaper to buy on ebay than through Snap On because of the price difference in their country. They probably used a sniping program set at the full retail price.

Right you are. I could pay $500 including shipping + 25% norwegian sales tax for a $367 set and still be around $200 ahead compared to buying new in Norway.

Don't use snipers myself, I put in my max and wait, but they may be good for avoiding bidding wars. I don't like the idea of extended bidding as that do nothing for me as a buyer.

- Bidding is incremental unless otherwise noted.
- Highest bid wins.

Simple rules for all to follow.

 

[joshthedieseltech]

With eBay I find I need to set my maximum bid at the absolute most I'm willing to pay and walk away. Otherwise, if I sit there watching the end of the auction I find myself saying, "oh, what's another $10, it's worth it" and then end up paying more than I wanted to and most the time feeling like I shouldn't have bought the item.

the wife did that one year, sat there waiting for the auction to end, she got so into it, the $230 craftsman tool kit (new) went from $100 to over $300 in less than 10 minutes, glad to say the other sucker ending up winning.

 

[Daddy_Rabbit]

hahahahaha yeah you're a funny guy

maybe. but i'm not losing auctions.

 

[johnsdeere850j]

maybe. but i'm not losing auctions.

 

[Kirbot]

Well then I didn't want to because I thought I was the only one interested. In hindsight had a known someone with a computer cheat was interested I would have bid more

I doesn't matter if your the only one interested or not.
Place your maximum, and you do turn out to be the only bidder, you still won't pay any more.

Just because you set your maximum bid, doesn't necessarily mean you will have to pay that much. Oh... wait, you've already been told that about a hundred times already.

I give up, ebay is a simple website, you either win it or you lose.
If you lose but were willing to pay more, I don't know how it's anybodies fault but your own.