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mrstang69

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I have been thinking of adding insulation to my garage doors. Has anyone done this and does it make a big difference? I live in South TEXAS and my garage faces the sun by the afternoon. Any suggestions on which product works better than another and ease of installation. Thanks! :FIREdevil This guy wouldn't mind it.:lol_hitti
 
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I feel for ya. I am planning on adding some rigid foam insulation in my doors in the near future. I wandered HD and Lowes to see what was available and think I have determined that I will go with 3/4" R-5 rigid foam insulation to the inside of the door.
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There is a note on the insulation board in all that fine print that says the R value can be increased with the addition of an air space. So, if I have space in the door, I may be adding 1-2" strips of the insulation directly on the door like furring strips and then put the board on top. Liquid nails or similar should be fine. I ran some quick calcs and feel that a couple boards will not add more than a couple pounds to the door and should not affect the opener.
 

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Wouldn't the foam begin to look "ratty" after a year or so? That stuff is pretty soft to be exposed, even if it is on the inside.
 

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Don't know. I'll have to check and see. Right now, we have a basic uninsulated doors. We are so paranoid of hitting it and damaging the face and have the dents visible from the outside. So I hope we will still be cautious when I add the foam that it should survive. Also, there are so many horizontal braces across the door, it will be a little hard to get to the face of the foam.

I do plan on painting it white for improved light reflection. I think that if there is damage, it should be easy to caulk or spackle and touch up.

Anything I can do to the doors will be an improvement over the heat of a Florida garage in summer.
 

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WingNut - I'm in the same "hot zone"....only in Texas. I've been looking at doing the same as you; and recently looked for insulation at HD - they sell the stuff pictured above and/or offer a Garage door insulation kit online. I'm not sure I would like the look of the the blue board.

Now I'm contemplating covering with some white poster board cut to size or something.

here is a link to the Owens Corning insulation kit:

http://insulation.owenscorning.com/homeowners/easy-weekend-projects/weekend-project-garage4.aspx
 
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I did the garage door on my house using 1.5 inch styrofoam. Not as rigid as the blue foam, also a lot cheaper. I just cut the styrofoam to fit inside the door sections. No glue or any attachment, it fits within the lip.

The styrofoam has plastic covering on both sides, but it does damage easily if you hit it. Took four sheets to do the 16 ft door. You don't need to buy the kit.
 

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I first went shopping anticipating on getting the white styrofoam, but found the blue Dow Extruded Poly Iso board had a much better R-Value for the same thickness. If I'm going to do this project, I will accept paying a little more if I can get a better R-value for the same amount of effort.

ChristopherLutz, I hadn't thought of poster board as a cover. Not sure if humidity would start to warp it. I am going to start by just painting it.

Jack, At my Lowes, the Reflectix is $36.53 for a 4' x 25' roll (36.5¢ per s.f.) According to the literature they had in the store, in a garage door installation, it can get an R=3 value. The blue Dow rigid foam board I showed above is $7.40 for a 4'x8' sheet (23¢ per s.f.) The rigid foam gets an R=5 as is, but with an air space, can get closer to R=8.

This garage door project is on my hit list for the long 4th of July weekend.
 
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I first went shopping anticipating on getting the white styrofoam, but found the blue Dow Extruded Poly Iso board had a muuch better R-Value for the same thickness. If I'm going to do this project, I will accept paying a little more if I can get a better R-value for teh same amount of effort.

ChristopherLutz, I hadn't thought of poster board as a cover. Not sure if humidity woudl start to warp it. I am going to start by just painting it.

Jack, At my Lowes, the Reflectix is $36.53 for a 4' x 25' roll (36.5¢ per s.f.) According to the literature they had in the store, in a garage door installation, it can get an R=3 value. The blue Dow rigid foam board I showed above is $7.40 for a 4'x8' sheet (23¢ per s.f.) The rigid foam gets an R=5 as is, but with an air space, can get closer to R=8.

This garage door project is on my hit list for the long 4th of July weekend.

But 1.5 inch thick styrofoam is R-11 (if my memory is correct). It fits just great in the door with no air gap. I don't recall the price, but blue foam board was a bit more expensive. My actual logic for using the styrofoam was not saving the few bucks, but rather the ease of cutting and it is a bit more flexible to fit into the door. The styrofoam made a significant difference in the garage temps during winter.
 

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This garage door project is on my hit list for the long 4th of July weekend.

That will make a good thread. I could become a senior member to the forum with all the **** I have planed for that weekend.
 

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I insulated my overhaed doors, and it made the shop much more comfortable. I used sheets of 1-1/2 inch thick Polyisocyanurate insulation. This is rated at R7.20 per inch thick. I cut the sheets to be a friction fit in the doors. I installed the insulation about a dozen years ago, and it is still in great condition. You may want to look for insulation at a local surplus building materials outlet. I bought enough insulation to do both a 16' and an 8' door for under $100. Just be sure to use either Polyisocyanurate or expanded polyurethane. Other materials have far inferior R values. Be sure to rebalance your doors for the added weight. In my experience stronger springs are not usually needed. Just increase the preload on them. Here is some good info on overhead door spring instalation and adjustment: http://truetex.com/garage.htm
 

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I'll be interested to see how your project turns out. I too looked at the radiant barrier stuff...but, for R-3....I don't think it's worth the effort.

The Owens Corning kit is $54 per door (single door) and is R-8. That's closer to the insulation factor I was looking for EXCEPT I'm not sure if I'll like the soft looking finish.

I measured my gaps and I could easily fit 1" of foam board in there. Two sections of the blue would be R-10...but, then you're left with "blue".

I looked at the Clopay doors at HD...they have a premium door that has R-17....but, it's pretty spendy.

I will be doing something - it's already been near 100 for 2 weeks, the sweat just pours off when you're working.
 
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same here christopherlutz. I was wondering how to change the blue color on the board. any ideas? I feel the same way about Owens, don't like the soft look. Isn't there something automotive they put for the floorboards like Dynamat of heat?
 

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Contact a door installation company. They sell kits (or can get them) that are used to insulate the doors at the manufacturer. The insulated door I had installed about 3 years ago uses styrofoam panels that are sheathed with a white glossy vinyl/plastic sheet. Resists dents, is easy to clean and looks real nice.

Bonus - does a better job of screening noise too.

I looked into this for the 10-2x14' door at my shop, but the kits are too spendy for a door of that size. They're more reasonable for a house-sized door.

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I used two sheets to get the required thickness of the door. If you look at the cross section of the door, it has a lip going down on the outside and a lip going up on the inside. In some areas, I could not bend the foam for a tight fit so I would cut it at an angle and then place it in and tape it back together. Same for the next piece - just made sure I did not cut it at the same place. It's hard to explain - I basically was able to make one cut in each sheet to be able to place it in the door cavity around the lips on the door metal and the outer rails. To finish the door off, I used the silver radiant barrier - the stuff that looks like silver bubble wrap. I used it for a variety of reasons. First, it is very flexible so I was able to work it in for a seamless fit. Also, the foam board is not supposed to be exposed - it can burn. This should help prevent that for at least a little while.
You can see part of the door in this pic:
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That looks really sharp.

I went to Lowes today and they had a larger selection of foam boards. Two things I noticed:

1) On the Polystyrene (sp?) board, it has a reflective surface on one side....white on the other. The white side would actually look decent (it is flammable though). The board itself says to allow for 3/4 inch air gap to get the full R value. So, I couldn't use the 1'' board and still have a 3/4 inch gap - there isn't enough depth to the cavity. The 1'' sheets were $9.94.

2) The foil has an R Value of 3 - and also requires and air gap to work properly. The large rolls were over $40 dollars - with 2 doors (1 two car and 1 single car) I would need 2 large rolls.

After looking at my options, I'm back to the Owens Corning insulation kit. It looks incredibly easy to install and provides R8....more than any of the options.

I think I'll just have to live with the flimsy white side out look.

PassnThru - do you think you're getting an R value out of the reflectix stuff? or now just a safety bonus? Doesn't look like you have any airgap?
 
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I think the R from the foil is marginal at best - it is mainly there for aesthetics and some flame proofing. I don't have any 'measured' air gap. Things aren't completely tight but snug enough to stay in place. It wasn't something I worried about and it seems to work well on a door that gets full late afternoon sun. To me, I would sacrifice the 3/4 air gap to get a nice fit. They never really say how much R you will lose without the air gap do they? I'll bet that it isn't much.
 

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Heat travels three ways, conduction (objects touching), convection (air transfer), and radiation (energy source to object). The foil face on the foam is to stop the transfer of radiant heat, such as that given off by the sun.

For the application you have, you should put a foil face on the side touching the door. This would stop the afternoon/evening sun from radiating heat into your garage through the metal door. This is the same reason the bubble wrap is used under metal roofing. Any closed cell foam is r7 per inch, such as isocyanurate. Open cell foams are only about 3.5 per inch. The blue foam is a good good choice, the best choice would be a closed cell foam with a foil face on one side.

Remember, the fastest way to lose heat is through convection, so make sure the garage is air sealed. Check your door seals, windows, etc.
 

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I used R5 foam to do my 16 foot wide garage door. Bought 4 sheets and still had some scrap leftover. It was 1 inch foam. Lots of cutting up, and I'm sure it helps some, but not sure how much. Better than nothing, and it was fun garage time while I did it. In retrospect, I probably should have used 3/4" foam and doubled up.
 

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I put 2" foil backed on a friends door (solid wood) and it helped a bunch.

It's nothing compared to a proper insulated door, but sheets were scrap from a construction job so it was free.

Around here an "ok" Wayne Dalton insulated door std 8x7 is around $300-$350 so that is worth consideration too. I am putting one on my shed even though the shed isn't insulated. For the reason that the insulated doors are much sturdier than a non-insulated "tin" door.
 
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I used R5 foam to do my 16 foot wide garage door. Bought 4 sheets and still had some scrap leftover. It was 1 inch foam. Lots of cutting up, and I'm sure it helps some, but not sure how much. Better than nothing, and it was fun garage time while I did it. In retrospect, I probably should have used 3/4" foam and doubled up.

Here's an older thread, with some more info on what I did.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53821
 
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thanks Fudge0514 and Stevejh82! i know my garage is not air sealed. i might just consider getting insulated doors.
 

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I tried to insulate my doors with the Blue foam. It has a thin plastic film on both sides of it. I glued it with Liquid Nails. It fell off the door in about 3-4 days. The plastic film just peeled off. It left the Liquid Nails on the door. I just gave up on it.
 

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I live in forth-worth, tx, my garage also faces the afternoon sun i used the same foam boards and doubled them used liquid nails its like night and day. I wish i would of done it sooner.
 

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I used both.... Styrofoam,and foil bubble insulation, worked out to R12 I believe. Made a big difference, and was cheap, under $200 for a 16x14 door, light weight, lasted 2 winters, so far, not a problem,reflects light,too! Cut Styrofoam from4'x 8' sheets, and bulk bubble foil from lumber yard. Combination od fitting tightly into slots, and some glue to keep it neat.
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My wife had ours done for me for Father's Day as a surprise. Local garage door company we have used in the past. $230 for both a 16' door and a 8' door. Looks great and I have noticed a difference in both noise reduction and heat build-up.
 

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I used two sheets to get the required thickness of the door. If you look at the cross section of the door, it has a lip going down on the outside and a lip going up on the inside. In some areas, I could not bend the foam for a tight fit so I would cut it at an angle and then place it in and tape it back together. Same for the next piece - just made sure I did not cut it at the same place. It's hard to explain - I basically was able to make one cut in each sheet to be able to place it in the door cavity around the lips on the door metal and the outer rails. To finish the door off, I used the silver radiant barrier - the stuff that looks like silver bubble wrap. I used it for a variety of reasons. First, it is very flexible so I was able to work it in for a seamless fit. Also, the foam board is not supposed to be exposed - it can burn. This should help prevent that for at least a little while.
You can see part of the door in this pic:
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Hey PassnThru, I love your setup and am thinking to do he same. Do you remove the middle bracket while you install the panel, or you cut the panel in half and install left and right separately?
 

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I was thinking about using the foam insulation, but didn't want the "DOW" blue or "OC" pink. I'm looking for the white backing used on insulation rolls. Like what's used on metal building insulation. Most of it has a foil side and a solid white side. I just want the backing, then I'll spray glue it to the blue or pink board.

Has anyone seen this backing for sale without the 3 inches or so of fiberglass?
 

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Hey PassnThru, I love your setup and am thinking to do he same. Do you remove the middle bracket while you install the panel, or you cut the panel in half and install left and right separately?

I cut the panels and did the left and right separate. You have to - the middle support goes all the way through.
 

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Re: Door Insulation

OK, 7 months later, I finally started to insulate my garage doors. I actually bought the insulation board back in July when I had use of a pick-up truck, but have finally decided to install it so I can clear up some floor space. (I'm going to stop procrastinating next month!)

I decided to use the 3/4” Dow/Styrofoam rigid insulation board that I got at Lowe's, mainly for the lightweight, ease of use and cost Six panels at $12.00 came out to less than $80.

I have a three car garage with one 16’ double-wide door and one 8’ single door. The 4x8’x3/4” panels weigh between 3 lb 8oz and 3 lb 12oz. For a single door, I used most of two full panels, adding about 6 pounds to the door weight. I will have to check the door opener to see if adding 12 pounds to the big door will affect its operation.

This is the way that I have chosen to insulate my doors. I know there will be opinions and suggestions for improvements that may be a benefit for other GJ members hoping to do the same to their doors. This has just been installed and has not experienced and activities in the garage to know how it will stand up to daily life. For me, this was cheap enough to do this way that if the panels do get so badly damaged, I can always replace them as needed.

I was planning on gluing it straight to the inside face of the door, but their literature says that adding an air space between the board and the exterior face of the door will almost double the R Value. In a test fit, I realized that the way my door is built, I can glue the board in and obtain at least 1-1/4” air gap without needing spacers to fur it out.

Here is how I did it…

I started with the smaller door to see if this method works. The upper panels were completed to test the process before I realized I should take pictures to post the process here. Sorry this is long, but its detailed.

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1. I measured each opening and sketched up a board cutting plan before I started. All the openings on the right side of teh door are the same sizes and the left openings are all the same, too. For my doors, all the openings take 21-7/8” panel pieces. Then I measured it all again to make sure. I cut the 4’x8’ panels into 4’ wide strips by 21-7/8” wide. I used a sharp X-Acto knife for the first cut and a snap-off blade utility knife for cutting the remaining way through. Don’t try cutting in one slice as it will not be a pretty sight.

2. To measure the opening height, I came up with this measuring jig. I used two small strips from an excess pieces of foam. I marked a line on both pieces at 10” and then marked the next inch as 20 – 21”. The arrows point towards the 10" length so I know which ends to use.
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3. Holding them together inside the door and extending to the top and bottom, the 10” line on the first piece will align with a measurement on the second. This shows that my door panels need to be 21-7/8” high.
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4. Before installing, I painted the face of all panels with some spare paint so I won’t have a Smurf blue door. The paint is actually 14 Sherwin Williams quart samples of various colors from when we were painting the outside of our house that I mixed all together. Not a bad color from recycling instead of wasting. I actually painted the wording side of the first panel before I realized it took three coats to hide the words. Yes, I removed the thin plastic covering before painting.

5. I decided to remove the horizontal brace instead of destroying the panel trying to get it installed with it in place.
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6. Here is the clear opening I have to work with. On this opening, there is a 3/4” door lip at the top and bottom and a 2” vertical on the right. I cut 2” off the right side of the panel to install it first. The remaining 45-1/2” that I need will go in second.
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7. A test fit revealed that I needed to trim the top edge a little to fit in the track recess at top. This was done to all the panels to aid in installation.
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8. This is how the panels will sit in the door and will create a 1-1/4" air gap. The top will fit snuggly in the track recess and the bottom will be glued in place
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9. The vertical braces on the sides and center of the door have bolts holding the hinges and horizontal brace in place. To get the panel to fit flush to the back face of the door, I test fit the strip in place and pressed to see where the screws would hit. I cut holes into the panel strip for the bolts. The two holes on the bottom are for the horizontal brace bolts that I marked with a pencil.
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10. I used Loctite Heavy Duty Construction Adhesive in a caulk tube, but Liquid Nails or any compatible adhesive should work. I put glue on the top of the strip and in the bottom of the door pocket before installing the panel. (The black on the bottom is a POR type paint on the screw holding the bottom weather strip in place that was rusty. I probably should have figured out how to remove the weather strip and replaced it with stainless…)
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11. The side strip needs to be rotated into place by slipping the top in first and then rotating the bottom into place. Then reach in and push it flush to the door frame.
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12. The large panel needs to be split horizontally to be able to bend and slip in place. I placed the cut 5” from the top, which puts it directly behind the horizontal brace and making it disappear. The notch out of the top edge really helps with this step to allow the top to rotate into the top track recess. I only put glue along the full length of the bottom of the door where the panel will sit.
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13. I added glue inside the split to hold it back together when the panel is in place.
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14. Right side is done.
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15. The left side on my door needed a 2” strip on the right and left to fit behind the vertical braces. After the left side panels were installed using the method above, the horizontal door brace is reinstalled. The panel seam split is not visible.
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16. I cut strips of the remaining foam to fit around the windows. I still have the middle piece to install when the paint dries on the next panels.
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17. Here is the finished product. (Almost Done)
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Well, that’s how I did it. Now on to the double-wide door...
 

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Very nice.

>I'm going to stop procrastinating next month!
Now, don't be hasty - these decisions need to thought over carefully. :lol:
 
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