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I have searched around here and found bits and pieces on what makes a good screwdriver. I do mostly mechanical work in my garage and have the ubiquitous Craftsman clear/red/ blue handle from the 1970's. Time to replace them.
Seems I read that some screwdrivers have hardened tips, which, I would consider a good feature. My Phillip head screwdrivers are all shot. I have Googled around and see screwdrivers with a darker look to the tips but, they neglect to describe them as hardened. They normally say "special coating" or something.
So, what is your suggestions. I normally don't buy tool truck stuff but like to buy quality tools.
 
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The dark color tips are vapor blasted. This is to prevent chrome chipping and flaking. If you are not using these professionally you don't need to go nuts. There are MANY quality options out there for pretty reasonable prices. One of the best values is the Williams USA made screwdriver sets. Snap on quality at fraction of the price. Also a great choice is the Proto Durateks. Basically Mac screwdrivers at a fraction of the cost. Basically if you ask 10 people you will get 20 different answers. It's all about preference.
 

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The big hype now a days are laser etched tips with anti cam out non slip technology. I would strongly recommend spending the money on some if you work with a lot of rusty, crusty phillips fasteners.
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Yeah, um, I'd skip that Proto set above...

Keep in mind, screwdrivers should be considered consumables, they will wear out eventually. That said, Proto Duratek, PB Swiss, Wiha, Wera, Witte, Vessel, Snap-On/Williams all make high quality stuff. A big consideration will be how you like (or dislike) the handles.

For slotted, I prefer cabinet & hollow ground tips as that style is vastly superior with fitment. Save the chisel ground slotted screwdrivers for opening paint cans and using as chisels/scrapers... PB Swiss (what I personally use) is one of the few manufacturers that makes slotted with both cabinet and hollow ground tips, although there are a few others...

For Phillips I prefer Vessel, I find their grips comfy and they have awesome knurling on the shafts. I like Wiha too...

You're in the rust belt so vapor blasted or other "grip enhancing" tips will probably come in handy. But I work on a lot of 45 year old motorcycles and i've never owned a "laser blasted" tipped screwdriver.

The single biggest factor in your screwdriver longevity is buying a hand impact driver :thumbup:
 
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I own hundreds of screwdrivers but don't have a preference. I reach for whatever is handy.

While I see the difference in ratchets, wrenches, sockets, etc between high quality and el cheapo brands, I do not see that sort of a difference in screwdrivers. They're all about the same.

Unless you use screwdrivers every day, not going to be much of an upgrade to the Craftsman you've been using- no matter what you pick.
 

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Don't forget you will want a Snap On ratcheting screwdriver, that is if you didn't know already that you would be needing one.
 

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I also have a lot of different brand screwdrivers.

The old craftsman aren't bad screwdrivers at all in my opinion.

I just bought a brand new big made in usa Phillips in the discount bin at my local ace hardware for $4.

I already had the same screwdriver in good condition, but couldn't pass up another one for $4.

I have an old set of snap on hard handles, but they have mostly been ground to work better for transmission rebuilding - but still good screwdrivers.

I got a set of the mayhew striking drivers about 6 months or so ago and they have held up pretty good under moderate daily abuse.

I had a 'set' of the older harbor freight screwdrivers that were pretty good also really, but most of those had a defect where they grew legs and walked off. I don't know if they sell the same kind anymore, they were sold individually and had green and black handles for the Phillips and orange and black for straight, around $3 each if I remember right.

I have some gearwrench long drivers and they also seem pretty good and were decently priced.

Recently I was annoyed to discover I couldn't find the screwdriver I needed, pretty much because others have access to many of my tools.

So when I was at napa the other day a bought a set of Carlyle drivers to lock up in my main box. They feel like decent set of screwdrivers but I haven't really used them to say for sure. They come in an ok tray, but its too deep to fit in a snap on shallow drawer.

We get a little discount at Napa so I paid $50 for them, I believe they were marked $68.

They have the type and size marked on the handle which is very handy if you store them upright, they also have the hex bolster just past the handle which can be useful on occasion.
 
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Thanks guys for all the great information - even the ones from the wee hours of the morning!
The old craftsman aren't bad screwdrivers at all in my opinion
I agree, just mine are wore out. The Phillips heads were unusable 15 tears ago but got me thru. As many mentioned, it's the tough fasteners, usually rusted, that take their toll on tips. Then it's the small stuff that takes a nice "sharp" point to work without stripping the head.
I like the recommendation for the hex bolsters. I too am guilty of clamping a set of vise grips onto the shank for extra torque - which then in turn ruins tips quicker.
The things I need to consider will be tip design, handle design, other feature ( hex bolster). The hardest thing to overlook will be the color of the handle. Some of the "re-labled" stuff (Napa) just has the most hideous colors. :dunno:
 

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what brands/sets do you guys recommend? links if you have them

I mean, it all depends on your budget. The truth of the matter is, Snap On sells the best American made laser etched screwdrivers. I have a few of the Snap On Instinct screwdrivers and they do work better than a standard phillips tip. After that, it's basically all German when talking about laser etched. I have a few sets of Wera insulated screwdrivers that are very nice, but the general consensus on here and by my coworkers are the tips wear rather quick. I recently put an order in for some Vessel screwdrivers as they have very high remarks on here. Check out the Vessel Megadora Impacta with striking cap. Very nice. You may also want to consider buying JIS phillips tips. This will prevent any future problems. Here are a few links for you to read up on -
http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-too...se-industrial-standard/view-all-products.html
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348871


The links I'm providing are just for recommendation and information purposes. You can always find better prices on eBay, Amazon, Tooldiscounter.com or similar websites.
https://store.snapon.com/Diamond-Ti...iamond-Tip-Soft-Grip-Screwdriver-P650151.aspx
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003BGZ9CO/?tag=atomicindus08-20
http://products.wera.de/en/screwdrivers.html
 

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For "generic screwdriver" I think its hard to beat the snap-on hardhandle. It reall will do everything, and it holds up pretty well to general abuse and its more easily cleaned than soft grips. You only need two of them, so the cost is not that big a deal.

If you are doing benchwork, trades work, or something more specialised, there are loads of other options out there. Likwise, if you need a set of 16 or something (crazy) then you need to look at brands that suit such a decision. Priced becomes more of a factor when its multiplied by 10.

Basic budget of 25-30 bucks for either a couple top of the line drivers or a 6 pack of german ones. Don't cheap out and try to save $10 and don't immediately think a 16 piece set is any more useful than 2-3 really good ones.

Beyon that, seach the forum/s and get a laundry list of decent brands (most already mentioned above).

Also, hi visibility or birght/contrast handles are very useful working in the field. If you drop one or need to grab something out of a dark bag, much easier to find than a black hardhandle.
 

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Don't forget you will want a Snap On ratcheting screwdriver, that is if you didn't know already that you would be needing one.

Not Necessarily. I bought into the hype after joining this forum and promptly sold it. I found it big, clunky, and the bits rattling around inside the handle drove me nuts.

Ratcheting screwdriver? Maybe. But I would look at something beyond the Snap-On.
 
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As I searched around about the different offerings, I came across a seller of Williams. Their page gave the specifications and in the body it listed the handle (only) as being made in the USA. Does that mean the shank is made other than USA? I guess that supports the COO as USA / China.

As of right now, I am looking at the Williams 8 piec set for around $45.00.
But, I found a nice Craftsman set on Ebay. :evil: (this is a real auction)
 

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I bought the 6 piece Phillips and the 6 piece slotted. They are Identical IMHO to snap on hard handle drivers. They quality screwdrivers and have served me well for the passed 3 years. I highly recommend them. They are 100% USA made. The pouch they come in is made in china
 

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Includes application too and this is with anything Japanese.Use of a regular phillips screwdriver on these is a huge no and this is one reason why you find stripped out screw heads on them.Use of a Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) screwdriver is used only on them.Vessel and a few manufacturers make these and are not cheap
 

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Includes application too and this is with anything Japanese.Use of a regular phillips screwdriver on these is a huge no and this is one reason why you find stripped out screw heads on them.Use of a Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) screwdriver is used only on them.Vessel and a few manufacturers make these and are not cheap

JIS is outdated spec, and the most common Vessel (megadora) driver is not even true-JIS. A modern euro-spec driver has the same tip as Vessel megadora. Just some balance to keep in mind :thumbup:

For the technical stuff, its best to get BITSETS. There is still pozi, reed& prince and all manner of other **** you might run accross--most speciific to geography or marine environment or whatever special niche you want to explor.

PB swiss and some Witte i believe Apex and even the snap on bits have a better geometry that the "true phillips". But for every JIS or DIN screw head, you may also run into some "true phillips", or specialized cross-points beyond normal spec.
 

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Screwdrivers get used for lots of stuff besides turning screws. The Philips #2 is the one that most often actually turns screws. I've got lots of scewdriver sets, the classic craftsman, cman pro, Wiha, snap-on, Mac, etc...

The only ones that ever get worn out are the Philips #2. If I was starting over, I'd buy the big set of Craftsman to have all the sizes, then just buy a couple different lengths of P2's from snap-on or what ever your favorite is.
 

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I'm firmly in the Snap-on hardhandle and Snap-on ratcheting with many bits mode. I've owned hundreds of screwdrivers, and worn out most. The Snap-on have held up the best of all I own. I have been using the ratcheting drivers for 30 years, I try to use them almost exclusively, they work so much better for me. I have big hands, and like the large, full handed grip that some find clunky.

I too started out with Craftsman drivers. Early on, I found that the phillips were soft as butter and often stripped out on the first use. (these were 1970's drivers, replaced over and over through the years up until I gave up on them about 2000). The only decent ones I ever had from Sears were the hex shank, black handle industrial that held up okay, but by the time I had worn out my first phillips to warranty, they were discontinued and replaced with a much poorer red/black handle professional one. I eventually discared all of the Craftsman ones. I got my first Snap-on hard handle #2 phillips in 1988, I still own it. It has had the shank warrantied out one time in that period. I bought a #0 and #1 phillips shortly after that have the original shanks in them.

I prefer the anti cam out ribs to any of the bead blasting, vapor etching, diamond dust plating, etc that has been tried over the years. They seem to hold the best and last the longest of all the anti-cam-out treatments. That was the really good thing about the black handle professional craftsman.

I'm going to add a postscript: When I recommend Snap-on hard handle and ratcheting, that's for high torque fasteners that wear out such as phillips and torx.

For flat, there are a lot of drivers out there that work, depending on your application. I do a lot of gunsmithing work, and you need a huge range of slotted bits. I use a few select flat drivers that I have collected by weeding out losers over the years. They span a lot of old us makes and only a few are snap-on. I don't see a lot of advantage to snap-on in flat drivers, although I own a full range of them. I use a lot of insert bits with a snap on ratcheting driver, (or in the drill press or mill) and most of those are zephyr. I modify many of them by milling or grinding them to shape to get exactly what I need.

For paint stirring, chiseling, scraping, prying, opening paint cans, and similar work, buy harbor freight or craftsman or whatever you like that is cheap. Buy the length of blade and shape of handle that you like the best, that's a more important consideration than the quality.
 
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I stepped up and bought the Willams 100P series. I got 6 straight blade and 8 Phillips.
They should be here this week. :thumbup:
 

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Good choice. I bought the same ones. I wish they came in Torx tip. I chose Wera for my torx drivers. I liked the Williams line because there are many sizes you can easily add on to your set, like #4 phillips (which I actually use) and a plethora of slotted sizes.
 

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Keep in mind, screwdrivers should be considered consumables, they will wear out eventually.
Just like the OP, I've been on a quest lately for some new screwdrivers to replace my chewed up Craftsman hard handles, especially the Philips. Given that they wear out, would I be better off looking at bit handles, instead of dedicated screwdrivers? At 1/3 the price, tossing a long bit is much easier to swallow than tossing a dedicated driver. Admittedly though, none of the cheapo bit handles I've used feel as good as a dedicated driver. Are there any bit handles out there that could change my mind?
 

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The Snap-On ratcheting driver is my second favorite tool, Williams has a similar piece that I have in a travel bag. They both work and feel great.

I've bought the black handle Craftsman Pro screwdrivers, I think they work well and are always on sale.

I'll try the klien, looks like a good system.
 

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I have accumulated screwdrivers for my whole life. A bunch of cheap ****, and some decent ones from Proto, Snap On, Mac and a few others. My very favorites are still the Klein cushion grip drivers. They just feel right in my hand (I'm an electrician, so I am biased) they hold up, and work really well.


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... I wish they came in Torx tip. I chose Wera for my torx drivers.

If it matters to you, SK's Torx drivers have shanks about 2" longer than all of the competition. I needed that for some electrical work.

..., like #4 phillips (which I actually use)...

In both directions? :evilgrin: The one time I bumped into #4 Phillips was some filister-head 1/4-20 cap screws on the apron of a 12" Atlas lathe. I promptly replaced the damn things with some socket head cap screws.

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If you want to use long bits and/or power bits you should try out a Klein Switch Drive bit handle.
I see that Wiha makes something similar, but it takes special bits https://www.wihatools.com/hex-tools/drive-loc although you can vary the length of bit extension. This one takes standard bits https://www.wihatools.com/wiha-centrofix-1-4-power-blade-handle. I have a Picquic Dash 7 - I like that the bits are accessible without having to unscrew a cap. And I like the hex bolster and magnetic bit holder. But the hard handle is pretty hard and not so ergonomic - certainly not much for spinning quickly. And while the magnetic bit holding is easy, the bits do rattle around a little.
 
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Good for you. Where did you buy from and how much?
I did the shop on line for best price and shipping. The web site was "Tool Source"
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I bought a 6 piece straight blade set and a 6 pieces Phillips set for $100 with shipping.
As of now, they have not acknowledged my order?? :headscrat
usually you get a confirming email(s) by now. If nothing by tomorrow, move along to the next.
 

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I have a set of Stanley "Handyman" screwdrivers that I bought in 1972. They have held up well and were "Made in USA". Have red/clear plastic handles. I also inherited my dad's odd ball collection of screwdrivers from the 1940's and 50's (maybe even some 30's in there). All of these are in good shape (some are a bit dirty..need cleaning:(). I probably should upgrade, but can't bring myself to spend the money (yes, I am frugal? cheap? tight?, etc) when these still get the job done. My 2 cents.:)
 

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I would invest in a set of USA screwdrivers that has the hex for extra torque.
If you're willing to shed a little bit more, try looking on eBay for the Snap On Instinct screwdrivers. Those things are the best.
 

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You can try a Wera screwdriver set. The Wera Screwdriver Set (VDE) is a set of 7 piece Screwdrivers. It consists of an 80mm Phillips No.1, a 100mm Phillips No.2, 0.4×2.5x80mm Slotted, 0.6×3.5x100mm Slotted, 0.8×4.0x100mm Slotted, 1.0×5.5x125mm Slotted, Slotted Voltage Tester along with Wall mounted storage rack. The Hexagonal with anti-roll design in the handle provides a firm grip while working. The laser tips of the screwdrivers will help to move the head of the screw securely. And it is VDA certified which means we can works safely in 1000 volts environment with this screwdriver. For complete reviews about the Wera Screwdriver Set (VDE), visit https://www.toolsreview.uk/wera-kraftform-vde-screwdriver-set-review/
 
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