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Thought it would be cool to see what you other engine builders are using to make your life's easier here's my list of tools which are a bit of a game changer
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rod bolt stretch gauge makes calculating torque much easier
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rod vice, no more damaged rods
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Makes speedy work of removing valves and keepers
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Tapered ring compressors sooooo much better the the old jubilee clip styles
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Bore gauge because snap gauges ****
So show us what are making your lives easier!


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The valve-train tray is very handy
 

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944 Belt tension tool

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Two tools here, trusty dial indicator, and Porsche cam Blocks for setting cam timing

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Ring Grinder for fine tuning

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Valve spring micrometers are fun also. Just some of my favorite for the type of engines I build.
 
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Engine building tools are so dam ****,
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this tools great too stick it in a drill and it oscillates back and forth, great tool


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If you work on a lot of small block chevys this gauge will help get a good seal on the intake, especially if you're swapping heads. I had to buy one when I did a head & intake swap, it was burning oil badly. I always found oil on the intake floor, it was sucking it up through the valley.
 

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I really like my bolt angle gauge. Makes torquing torque-to-yield head bolts easier.

I don't really rebuild engines myself per se, mostly just in-depth repair when needed. Economy of scale dictates that a used junkyard engine is usually a lot cheaper repair avenue than a full blown rebuild for most cars, not to mention faster. Few mechanics rebuild engines anymore for that reason.
 

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I really like my bolt angle gauge. Makes torquing torque-to-yield head bolts easier.

I don't really rebuild engines myself per se, mostly just in-depth repair when needed. Economy of scale dictates that a used junkyard engine is usually a lot cheaper repair avenue than a full blown rebuild for most cars, not to mention faster. Few mechanics rebuild engines anymore for that reason.

Mechanics go that route because it saves the shop on labor hours and they can move on to the next job. However a rebuild is not only cheaper but much preferred for quality. You buy a set of rings, cam and main bearings, a gasket kit...and your done in a weekend. You also get to verify/measure the parts to see how they held up. My rebuilds would get 100K miles (could go longer) and only cost a couple hundred or so. No way I would pay a few times more than that for a junkyard motor and not know the shape of the internals/clearances.
 

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Wizzard, I completely agree with your thinking. I dont build engines every month, but I always get a new engine for far less than a used one. If it makes better sense money wise, I will always build the engine, even if it's just a rering.
 

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Mechanics go that route because it saves the shop on labor hours and they can move on to the next job. However a rebuild is not only cheaper but much preferred for quality. You buy a set of rings, cam and main bearings, a gasket kit...and your done in a weekend. You also get to verify/measure the parts to see how they held up. My rebuilds would get 100K miles (could go longer) and only cost a couple hundred or so. No way I would pay a few times more than that for a junkyard motor and not know the shape of the internals/clearances.

Don't know what kind of hokey rebuilds you guys are performing. But its almost always cheaper to throw a used motor in. It takes alot of man hours to rebuild an engine. Also including machine work and rebuilding the heads. Its not a couple hundred dollar proposition.
 

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Don't know what kind of hokey rebuilds you guys are performing. But its almost always cheaper to throw a used motor in. It takes alot of man hours to rebuild an engine. Also including machine work and rebuilding the heads. Its not a couple hundred dollar proposition.

Don't know about calling the rebuilds 'hokey.' This is general pricing for a common basic Ford 302 motor:
Rod bearings- $20
Main bearings- $23
Piston ring set- ~$35
Gasket set- ~$100
Timing chain- $35

All the heads generally need are new valve stem seals that cost only .90 cents each. No need to machine the heads unless there was a problem (such as warping due to overheating). No need for a valve job unless there is a problem that a leak-down test would show. This is for a basic reliable rebuild, not a high dollar race engine that is internally balanced, etc. It does burn up a weekend, but it is enjoyable :thumbup:
 

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Don't know about calling the rebuilds 'hokey.' This is general pricing for a common basic Ford 302 motor:
Rod bearings- $20
Main bearings- $23
Piston ring set- ~$35
Gasket set- ~$100
Timing chain- $35

All the heads generally need are new valve stem seals that cost only .90 cents each. No need to machine the heads unless there was a problem (such as warping due to overheating). No need for a valve job unless there is a problem that a leak-down test would show. This is for a basic reliable rebuild, not a high dollar race engine that is internally balanced, etc. It does burn up a weekend, but it is enjoyable :thumbup:

Id call that a freshening up, but not a rebuild.

What about the cam you said earlier, don't forget lifters.
What about the valve guides?
What about the cam bearings?
What about at least lapping the valves, or possibly recutting the seats after redoing the guides.
What about at least honing the cylinders. What if they need to be bored. New Pistons?
What about hot tanking to clean all the **** out. What about magnafluxing to make sure you aren't wasting time on a turd.


This is what I use( not as fancy as some of the web photos above.)

Chris



 
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I work in the engine room at a Bugatti restoration firm so usually price isn't an issue although time is


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I don't have any pic's of my favorites cept for this. I installed a linear on my spring pressure checker, just grab my spacer blocks, zero in on installed height and check my pressures makes things go right quick.

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I thought I had some pictures of my Manley valve seal installation tool I made, but guess not. That made life real good getting those perfect on installation.
 

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Devoncoolman and shadowdog, If I were to put an engine in something that means I'm planning to keep it for a good while. That being said my engines are not re ring jobs, but full on rebuilds. I use new pistons and rings, I have a dial bore gauge and have the cylinders oversized if they are out of spec. I check the rods, and mains for spec. I replace the cam bearings and replace a non roller cam and lifters. I use premium gaskets and always use a new oil pump. As for the heads I use new springs, lap the valves, (I will replace any out of spec) and check the flatness on a surface gauge. If there are very high miles on the engine then the heads are sent out for a rebuild. You can get new parts pretty reasonable through online sales. I also have a brother that is a toolmaker that lets me use his shop if I need to. No way can I rebuild one in a weekend, but to me it is fun and I don't count my time. I just did a complete overhaul on a 350 for my boat. From pan to carb (I upgraded to a four barrel) I had $1400 into it. You can't smell a marinized short block for that. And I would never put a used engine in a boat that my family will be riding in. Sorry I highjacked this thread, back to the cool tools!
 

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Devoncoolman and shadowdog, If I were to put an engine in something that means I'm planning to keep it for a good while. That being said my engines are not re ring jobs, but full on rebuilds. I use new pistons and rings, I have a dial bore gauge and have the cylinders oversized if they are out of spec. I check the rods, and mains for spec. I replace the cam bearings and replace a non roller cam and lifters. I use premium gaskets and always use a new oil pump. As for the heads I use new springs, lap the valves, (I will replace any out of spec) and check the flatness on a surface gauge. If there are very high miles on the engine then the heads are sent out for a rebuild. You can get new parts pretty reasonable through online sales. I also have a brother that is a toolmaker that lets me use his shop if I need to. No way can I rebuild one in a weekend, but to me it is fun and I don't count my time. I just did a complete overhaul on a 350 for my boat. From pan to carb (I upgraded to a four barrel) I had $1400 into it. You can't smell a marinized short block for that. And I would never put a used engine in a boat that my family will be riding in. Sorry I highjacked this thread, back to the cool tools!

You are doing a proper rebuild and I would do the same. My list could have been a lot longer, but I was just trying to point out that people can't rebuild an engine for a few hundred bucks like wizzard claims. New rings and bearings don't constitute a rebuild.

I posted my tools to show what I use to rebuild an engine. They are simple tools compared to the exotic stuff some show, but it's really all you need, along with patience, and double checking everything.

The last couple street and boat engines I played with we just ordered a reman engine and tore the tins off to double check everything. Most of the work is done, and you are just confirming the tolerances. On one of the remaned engines the oil pickup was laying in the bottom of the pan when we pulled it, so it is always a good idea to pull the tins off and inspect a reman engine anyway.

For race engines(which I havent played with in a long time). I advise people to go with a known combination that uses readily available parts. I used to share a shop with a guy who always made oddball, wild combinations. Using custom Pistons with ultra low compression heights, extra long connecting rods with undersized journals, so he could have the crank custom ground to a smaller journal to increase the stroke. This increased the rod ratio and allowed for screaming high RPM(he must have read "Power Secrets" by Smokey Yunick), but when he blew something up (which will happen eventually to a screaming race engine) he would be down for months waiting for new super custom parts. If he had a regular combination with redilay available parts he would have only been down for a week or two, and it would cost a lot less money.

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Mechanics go that route because it saves the shop on labor hours and they can move on to the next job. However a rebuild is not only cheaper but much preferred for quality. You buy a set of rings, cam and main bearings, a gasket kit...and your done in a weekend. You also get to verify/measure the parts to see how they held up. My rebuilds would get 100K miles (could go longer) and only cost a couple hundred or so. No way I would pay a few times more than that for a junkyard motor and not know the shape of the internals/clearances.

What you are describing is a regasketing/refreshening, not a rebuild.

Around here junkyard engines cost $300-800. Labor to install runs 10-18 hours usually, plus fluids etc.

Machine shop costs alone for a proper rebuild usually runs that much. ****, a buddy of mine had a set of LT1 heads rebuilt, cost him $350.
 
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It's true to get a roller crank balanced it's around 500 where we are


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At a guess, it's a Bugatti and he's saying it has cost $50,000 to get it to that stage of reman.

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Type 50 engine that's all the main bearings over a couple grand of white metal in there


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Type 50 engine that's all the main bearings over a couple grand of white metal in there


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I had to do a little research on this one because I was thinking about the new ones. From what I can see, That engine you are overhauling is probably 80 to 85 years old. And goes in something like this.

In keeping with the theme of this thread, can you show some of the tools you use to rebuild that engine.

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I'll post up when I get back to work, I make most of the tools


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Can't wait to see them!

That last video I posted took me off on a tangent and I watched a bunch of videos where these historic race cars do the shelsley Walsh hill climb in the Uk. Do the cars you rebuild participate in this race? It looks like a lot of fun!

This fall I may go up to watkins Glenn NY for the Grand Prix. They do the same thing with antique race cars racing through town. It also a beautiful area to visit.


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We use this tool to press out the seagull clips to hold the pipes in the dry sump set up on the type 46-50 engines
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I'm starting an engine rebuild at home and I had to pick up a couple vintage engine building tools I'll post up when I'm home


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Great thread. Too the comments about 302's. Thats what most of them need unless they been worked hard or poorly maintained. While I would also call that a refreshed and not a rebuild, I do it several times a year on different vehicles.

My current refresh is a 03 Nissan sentra SE-R... No compresssion and likely mimimum head job and maximum rebore ETC. With 68K original miles, I wont know till the head off.
 
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Let's see your tool boxes engine builders! Wouldn't mind seeing other peoples set ups


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Noob question here, but is it not generally a good idea to bore out the cylinders (".020 or ".030 etc) on any rebuild? If you do a 'freshen up' with the same size rings as before will they fit properly on an engine with > 50k mi on it?
 
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From my experience unless the bore is no longer round (you can check this with the dial bore gauge pictured in my first post) and the cylinder walls themselves are in good shape then a simple de-glaze with a honing tool is all that's needed also fit new rings to the Pistons


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As promised vintage engine tools, first is a flathead valve spring compressor next a vintage valve lapping tool, this things awesome is oscillates back and forth
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