EpoxyGuard Flooring At Costco 100% Solids $219

[3baysofplay]

I found this on Costco's website today:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11274249&whse=BC&Ne=4000000&eCat=BC|3960|21277|21278&N=4008218&Mo=4&pos=1&No=1&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&cat=21278&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&ec=BC-EC22577-Cat21277&topnav=

From the description it is 100% solids resin based epoxy, and the kit (with vinyl chips) covers a 2.5 car garage. Cost is $219 with everything you need to do the floor (prep, buckets, brushes, gloves, a-z).

Anyone seen this before? Anyone know who manufactures this kit? I did a search on this forum with no results. It has a 20 year warranty.

 

[L8ROFCR]

I would like to know about this as well

 

[SharkD]

Here's a slightly more condensed link:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11274249

I'm curious, too, since the manufacturer's website only compares it to the Rustoleum and Quikrete coatings:

http://www.epoxyguard.net/index.html

 

[3baysofplay]

I did find their instructional DVD for installation on You Tube:

 

[SC-Eric]

From the description it is 100% solids resin based epoxy, and the kit (with vinyl chips) covers a 2.5 car garage. Cost is $219 with everything you need to do the floor (prep, buckets, brushes, gloves, a-z).

That seems like a pretty good price to me. I've looked hard to see what you actually get and it isn't really defined anywhere that I can see. It looks like there is maybe a 2-Gallon bucket inside and a 1-Gallon bucket. So, for a 2.5 Car garage the maximum thickness you could obtain is 8 mils with no penetration. If this has any quality at all it is still going to better than Rustoleum.

Anyone seen this before? Anyone know who manufactures this kit? I did a search on this forum with no results. It has a 20 year warranty.

WOW a 20-year warranty??? Why don't you call and get a copy of that and share... How long have they been in business? Who backs up the warranty?

So, now... I'm so curious that I decide to do a "WhoIs" search to see who owns their website. It is owned by:

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: EPOXYGUARD.NET

Domain servers in listed order:
NS39.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS40.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

So, who is 'Domains by Proxy, Inc.' ??? I decided to Google them too... This is just too strange... Domains by Proxy is a company that you register a domain through if you don't want anyone to know who you are. Why wouldn't a company want people to know who they are?
http://domainsbyproxy.com/

Now, this is really driving me crazy. I love tracking down a good mystery. There is not too many epoxy manufacturers that I am totally unaware of. So, I Googled their address.

Their address is:
Epoxy Guard
900 Wilshire Drive, Suite 202
Troy MI 48084

This company shares the same address:
Intelligent Office
900 Wilshire Drive, Suite 202
Troy, MI 48084
Telephone: (248) 519-2300
Facsimile: (248) 519-2399
http://www.iotroy.com/

So does this one:
InfiNet Marketing Group
Contact: Mr. Brooks Juneau, Vice President Marketing Group
900 Wilshire Dr., Ste. 202
Troy, MI 48084-1600
Phone: (248) 519-2350
FAX: (248) 519-2399
Web Address: www.infinetmg.com

So does this one:
Sensible Business Solutions
Contact: Mr. Jeffery Lyles, President
900 Wilshire, Ste. 202
Troy, MI 48084
Phone: (248) 210-4843
FAX: (248) 519-2399
Web Address: www.sebustech.com

So does this one:
Jarvis, Mary - Jarvis Financial & Insurance
900 Wilshire Dr # 202, Troy, MI
(248) 813-0700

So does this one:
QOMO HiteVision
900 Wilshire Drive, Suite 202
Troy, MI 48084
248-519-2494

Alright... this is just too much for me... When I found the next one that shared this same address I just about fell off of the couch laughing... lol... I'm still bewildered!

Consulate of Syria
The Honorable Dr. Naji Arwashan
Honorary Consul General
900 Wilshire Dr., Ste. 202
Troy, MI 48084
248-519-2496
www.SyrianConsulate.org

So, to sum things up... Who are these guys?

Is it a little weird that they share a suite in an office building with a gazillion people? Maybe... Do I think it is a terrorist Syrian plot to overthrow America by distracting American men with cheap epoxy? Hmmmm...

All joking aside, it does kinda weird me out that they share a suite with the Syrian Consulate and they puposefully are trying to hide who they are. But, maybe I've watched one too many Lethal Weapon movies. If this product is any good... it's a killer price. I'm wary of their prep and low thickness but mainly... I'm worried that a good looking chick is gonna drown and someone is going to pull down their house!

 

[3baysofplay]

When I looked at their comparison chart (on their website) it looked like the product is 10 mils thick when applied. The compression strength is 7300 PSI vs. 800 PSI for Quikrete and 380 PSI for Rustoleum Epoxyshield. Is this a meaningful figure? Anyone know what other products compression strength is?

I am attaching a picture of what comes in the kit. It looks like Wooster brush and roller, squeegee, some kind of liquid etching compound, mixing bucket, part A & B, vinyl flecks, aluminum oxide for skid resistance, safety gear, and a lot of other stuff.

If someone had a three car garage 600 sq ft, and bought two kits, for a total of $440 I think they could achieve a 16 mil coating for that price, since 480 sq ft gives a 10mil coating. Are there any other products that come this complete and give a 16 mil coating with 100% epoxy solids on the market? This Costco.com price also includes free shipping.

 

[Rte66Charlie]

Brings to mind the old adage, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

$219 is indeed a good price, but if every other quality 100% solids epoxy manufacturer is higher, by a good bit...........something about this doesn't add up.

Maybe it is a sand-based epoxy from Syria? They have LOTS of sand over there so that would bring the price down.......and you get the added bonus of built-in no slip!

 

[OtherPete]

Keep in mind that its $294 direct from the EpoxyGuard web site, so the $219 price is a good discount from Costco.

Costco is very customer-oriented so if the product was **** I'm sure you could get a refund and they would stop carrying it.

 

[AlphaGarage]

I don't know anything specific about this epoxy, but I can say this generally about all epoxies: Epoxies are like paints in that all brands are not identical. There are paints that are $5 a gallon, and ones that are $40 a gallon. Same color, they mix the same, come in the same gallon container, they're applied with the same tools, and initially they look the same. That does not mean they are the same. And so it is with epoxies.

For example Wolverine LiquaTile 1184. Like a few other high performance epoxies it contains ceramics. Ceramics are good, they provide a lot of strength and impact resistance. But even with the better epoxies that do have ceramic content the way they're incorporated is different. In 1184 the ceramic particles aren't just individual units in aggregate, rather they're linked. Bonded together they form chains, which significantly strengthen the entire coating.

It's possible that some end users don't need that addition level of performance. But most folks realize that there can be a considerable amount of preparation work on the substrate, followed by time spent applying the coatings. In the end what matters is that you get the best overall value, and that's a bit more involved than just the numbers on the receipts.

 

[3baysofplay]

Warranty for Epoxy Guard

I e-mailed Epoxy Guard and asked them to e-mail me their warrantee, below is their response.

EpoxyGuardTM 20 Year Warranty

EpoxyGuard warrants that for a period of 6 months after the date of purchase the EpoxyGuard Floor Coating Kit shall be complete, free
of defects. When properly mixed and applied, EpoxyGuard will harden to form a continuous film. EpoxyGuard further warrants that when
applied in strict compliance with mixing and application instructions supplied with the product, EpoxyGuard will not peel or blister from a
properly prepared, uncoated, or untreated concrete floor surface for a period of 20 years provided that the following floor preparation parameters and conditions are fully met:
The concrete floor surface must be free of all contaminants, hydrostatic pressure, and must also be mechanically profiled per specifications by using either a shotblaster and/or diamond grinder.
If the product proves to be defective within the warranty period, EpoxyGuard will replace the product at no charge to the purchaser, less the cost of shipping and handling.

Limitations of Warranty

This warranty does not cover damage due to physical abuse such as gouging, scraping, cracking from movement of pavement, nor does
this warranty cover staining, discoloration or blistering due to prolonged contact with items such as gasoline, oil and other petroleum based
products, transmission fluids or brake fluids.

Disclaimer Of Warranties

The only warranties that apply are previously described. There are no warranties that extend beyond the description on the face hereof.
All implied warranties, including the warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose are excluded, meaning that such
warranties do not apply to these goods.

Limitation Of Remedies

Buyer's remedy under the warranty expressed above is limited to replacement of nonconforming goods (goods which do not meet our
manufacturing or formulation specifications). EpoxyGuard shall have no liability for any damages beyond this, including any incidental or
consequential damages.

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The problems I see are that you have to shotblast or diamond grind, when that is obviously not included in the kit. Much of the wear & tear that happens in a garage also seems to be classified as abuse, and prolonged contact with automotive chemicals is excluded. Of course I am not sure how this would compare to other warrantees currently being offered on similar products. 20 years is a nice warrantee, and since they are not installing it, I guess they have a right to limit the warrantee based on our installation problems.

 

[AlphaGarage]

Re: Warranty for Epoxy Guard

To be honest, we haven't even tackled our warranty yet. And to be even more honest, it's something I don't look forward to. Although it looks like I could use the Rustoleum warranty as a good place to start.

Speaking for Wolverine Coatings only - I know they go through a very, very, rigorous QC process. The portion of their output that goes into the retail chain is minuscule. The vast majority is applied by professional licensed contractors. The chance of a product defect is unlikely and in the event that it does occur it would be discovered pretty quickly. And if that were the case, no doubt Wolverine would replace all defective material.

But realistically the odds are pretty great that a failure is going to be due to application error. I haven't looked at the various warranties out there, but I'm pretty certain that all of them have major exclusions, application and surface preparation being the big two.

If you want a warranty you can take to the bank, your best option is to have the coating put down by a licensed professional who offers a warranty. And then should you ever need to make a claim, hope they're still in business. And then further pray that they back what they promised.

BTW If you do go with a pro, do what the big boys do. They often purchase the product themselves, and then let the installers do what they do best. They do that because too often they spec and pay for a premium product, but then the contractor uses some lesser grade product they can get cheaper, or stuff they've had sitting in storage left over from a job they did back in the day for the local AMC Dealership.

Speaking of which, I saw a pristine Pacer tooling around the other day!

I can't recall ever being in one, although I may have been but it just wasn't a memorable experience. I do, however, remember a Pacer TV spot. Some guy was either holding or making this long submarine sandwich in the back seat. Very w i d e , that back seat.

 

[Floorguy]

While I agree with most of what Alphgarage says, I must strongly disagree with the statement about buying the product yourself and having a pro install it. I just went through this excercise with a friend of mine in the construction business. They were GC doing a build out for a new food joint in town. The owner of the joint bought this really great product that they "used in the navy" I am certain that it is a super product. Anyway, they ended up not having any installers in the area so they would have to fly someone in (crew of 3) and pay for airfare, hotel, and meals, on top of the installation. Obviously, they did not want to do that. Cost too much. They talked with 6 different people who they have worked with in the past. Noboby wanted to installl the product, as they were not familiar with it. They finally contacted me, I said the same thing, no way will I install a product that I do not know. End result, they finally found someone to install this stuff. They wound up 200 sq. ft. short (they bought 20% extra) with the product that was on site. Now they will have a big seam in a seamless floor. They got it installed cheap but did they get a value? Will the floor hold up?

Bottom line, if you want a pro to install the floor, let him supply his product. You can look for sealed cans, or manufacturers name, or packing slip, or sales reciept, but I would not expect any quality guy to install a product that he has had 0 experience with.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[AlphaGarage]

You have a point. But there is no doubt that contractors have been know to cut corners when it comes to materials. It's also no surprise that spec'd materials have been swapped out with inferior product.

And at some point, everyone has a first time experience with any product. Almost every user on this board who installs their own covering is being exposed to it for the first time. That's one of the benefits of these forums, one has the opportunity to learn from the experiences of others.

But your point about confirming that the product you spec is being used should be verified by personal inspection is a good one.

 

[gesoffen]

Is anyone else seeing that EpoxyGuard's warranty covers the product only - i.e. if it fails due to product defect, you get a whopping $219 back (if you bought it from costco that is)! I'm willing to bet that it'll cost you a whole lot more than $219 to recover a floor after a failed covering even if you DIY.

Also, with all the funny business that Wolverine brought up, is there a tech support number/email that can be relied upon when the installer has questions/concerns?

I know that for DIY warranties, product replacement or cash equivalent is usually the maximum liability that any warranty will assume so nothing shady in that regard with the EpoxyGuard product. However, I'd be very hesitant to try it without some kind of proven track record and proven support network. As it stands, the only way I'd use this product would be in a test area. Alternatively, if you were torn between tiles and epoxy, this might be a good way to test this product out - if EpoxyGuard turns out to be a big mess, cover it all up with Racedeck or equivalent. I don't know many people willing to go through this big of a hassle and expense more than once though.

 

[SC-Eric]

Also, with all the funny business that Wolverine brought up, is there a tech support number/email that can be relied upon when the installer has questions/concerns?

Well, when I called the Syrian Consulate for technical advice... This Girl answered the phone... and gave me an address...

The address turned out to be this house:

No one answered and then there were these two guys running around like they were crazy... I got scared and left...

The next thing I knew... the house fell down the hill!

It was almost like being in a movie!

 

[gesoffen]

Yeah, I can hear it now:
Customer: "I'd like to file a warranty claim, your product is defective."
EpoxyGuard Consulate: "Diplomatic Immunity!"

 

[drivinhard]

The next thing I knew... the house fell down the hill!:

Did you happen to get a look at the garage floor coating on the way down?

 

[Montalvo]

I was intrigued by the Costco offer, also. It certainly appears to be a good value and I've had such great luck with Costco purchases, including a piano of all things.

My only problem with this product is the color and I'm wondering whether there are generic epoxy tints which could be mixed with it that would yield a color more compatible with my driveway. The driveway is stained a burnt orange color (I know, sounds hideous. But it matches our Mediterranean-style house stucco). I assume that I'd risk voiding the EpoxyGuard warranty by adding a tint but I'd almost be willing to take that chance if the manufacturer of the tint provided sufficient information to allow me to believe that it would be compatible with EpoxyGuard's product.

Any thoughts on this?

Bob

 

[SC-Eric]

Did you happen to get a look at the garage floor coating on the way down?

No, I think it must have peeled off already! lol...

I was intrigued by the Costco offer, also. It certainly appears to be a good value and I've had such great luck with Costco purchases, including a piano of all things.

My only problem with this product is the color and I'm wondering whether there are generic epoxy tints which could be mixed with it that would yield a color more compatible with my driveway. The driveway is stained a burnt orange color (I know, sounds hideous. But it matches our Mediterranean-style house stucco). I assume that I'd risk voiding the EpoxyGuard warranty by adding a tint but I'd almost be willing to take that chance if the manufacturer of the tint provided sufficient information to allow me to believe that it would be compatible with EpoxyGuard's product.

Any thoughts on this?

Bob

Bob, my initial impression is... that you sound like you're in that place (that we all find ourselves in from time to time) when deep down you know you're about to make a mistake but you're ignoring your own intuition because the dollar signs are in your eyes. Trust me... I've been here before (I drive a Cadillac).

You have a mediteranean house... you have an acid stained driveway... Those things (to me) add up to a guy (or a guy with a wife that he wants to keep) who has specific tastes. Why would you want to risk an epoxy mess? No one here has ever used this product or even heard of it... You'd have to get third party tints that could compromise the epoxy (that is already suspect)... Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of good companies out there that are low key that you've never heard of. BUT, I would be hesitant purchasing a product where you can't tell where the company is... do they have labs... are they legit? If it fails, Costco would probably give you your money back... BUT... they're not going to pay for someone to come out and shotblast it off the concrete for $2000... This all just seems like a really big risk for a product that isn't even what you want???

My suggestion... buy product from a reputable company that is the shade you want that matches your house. For goodness sakes... it's your HOUSE! Get what you want... HOPEFULLY, you're going to have to live with it for a long time!

Just for persepective, I drive a Cadillac DTS that is gold metallic. What I really wanted was a Red Metallic with Navigation and a Sunroof. BUT... the gold was a killer deal... not navi... no sunroof. I have been unhappy with that stupid car for several years... I went shopping on Friday to finally do something about it... I've wasted several years of 'car happiness' because I took the 'good' deal that turned out to be... not so good.

The point... when it comes to something that you're going to have to live with for awhile... get what you want... do it once... do it right!

 

[Jaguar Fan]

... I drive a Cadillac DTS that is gold metallic...

Eric, I thought only people in the Federal Witness Protection Program drove gold metallic Cadillac DTSs... just kidding

 

[SC-Eric]

Ummmm.... Is that another way to say that only idiots drive Cadillac DTS'... How am I gonna argue against that?

This is definitely the worst car I've EVER had!

 

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

Eric - Was this guy running around that house also ???

 

[SC-Eric]

DUDE... THAT is the guy who was locked in a car!

 

[SholtoBros]

The address is shared by so many companies apparently because Intelligent Office provides virtual offices at that address. So it's pretty much a big PO box with conference rooms and a receptionist. Following that reasoning Epoxy Guard probably has a virtual lab with virtual engineers and may buy product from virtually anyone with the lowest price. It could be a good product but I'd be surprised without a real office in the USA if they will be around 20 years to back the warrant claims.

 

[Jaguar Fan]

The address is shared by so many companies apparently because Intelligent Office provides virtual offices at that address. So it's pretty much a big PO box with conference rooms and a receptionist. Following that reasoning Epoxy Guard probably has a virtual lab with virtual engineers and may buy product from virtually anyone with the lowest price. It could be a good product but I'd be surprised without a real office in the USA if they will be around 20 years to back the warrant claims.

You could be right.

On the other hand, it might be a real company that wants the volume of selling thru Costco but doesn't want to dilute its real brand that is sold through other channels.

In some other industries, distributors and retailers tell manufacturers they won't sell the same SKU that you find at Costco; maybe that's true here as well.

Anyway, without knowing, it is a crapshoot.

 

[bobren4]

You could be right.

On the other hand, it might be a real company that wants the volume of selling thru Costco but doesn't want to dilute its real brand that is sold through other channels.

In some other industries, distributors and retailers tell manufacturers they won't sell the same SKU that you find at Costco; maybe that's true here as well.

Anyway, without knowing, it is a crapshoot.

Costco does not deal with ****** copmanies. This was probably a case where known manufacturer does not want to dilute their brand and/or piss off current customers, so they are blowing them out at huge volumes as lor prices.

I will get two of them most likely.

 

[Scorelow]

They are a real company. I know them personally and it is a good product. But like the warranty says it is all about the prep! It goes on very thin but if you do not rent a diamond grinder or have it shot blast you may not have the success you would by doing it.

I like all the detectives out in the market. Yes the office is a large shared office space so they have a real address. A couple owners one of which has been installing floors for years and is very good at it.

I think for the price it is the best floor covering for the DIY'er. My only concern is the amount of chips you get with the floor. It is not enough in my opinion but you can always go to www.originalcolorchips.com and get what ever color you like.

Also I would be concerned that is does not come with a top coat (that is why they only give you a couple chips) to spread very, very thin. the more chips you have the more you would need to have a top coat. Protect the chips and the floor.

FYI, I just saw a Home Depot begin to rent nice Diamond Grinders for like $50 a day! That is the way to go with any product you go with other than the cheap waterbased products at the home centers.

Buy EpoxyGuard, or U-Coat it, or go to Originalcolorchips.com, they all have good epoxy products. also interesting to note all are in the Detroit MI area....strange. We must just be really good with Concrete!

Hope this helps everyone
Bob

 

[SC-Eric]

Well, I appreciate that... but... since you know them personally who are they? Where is their manufacturing site? Are they a real manufacturer or just an applicator trying to pass themselves off as real manufacturers?

 

[Scorelow]

No they are a real manufacturer with real equipment and real people that work there! Like I said I may not agree with all hype from every manufacturer on their products but it is a very good product for the price and they stand behind it! Just like your products I am sure are great by seeing all the posts you have with regards to what your company offers. I have not had the pleasure to use your products but since the feedback is so good that is good enough for me.

I just do not like people who make assumptions without getting more details first.

Good luck to all!
Bob

 

[SC-Eric]

I understand Bob... Will you tell us who it is? Where is the manufacturing facility and labs.

 

[victor07]

Alright, all I want to know is, has anyone used this product yet? I'm looking to purchase a product but I dont' want to spend an arm and a leg. This is a good price, but I would still like to add a clear coat to it.

Does any one know what can be put over EpoxyGuard as a clear coat?

Thanks for the help.

 

[victor07]

Did you find anything out about the Costco Product. What did you end up using?

thanks.

 

[bobren4]

I can't say I am 100% sure, but it looks to me the EpoxyGuard and Epoxy-coat are the same company... Either that or both companies have contracted same marketing team.

I ordered my EpoxyGuard kit from Meijer.com since I wanted dark grey color. I will post PRE and POST pics as soon as I am done (in a week or two)

 

[67pete300]

Bump. Anybody used this stuff yet? Let's hear it. What about topcoating it as others have asked about?

Thanks.

 

[victor07]

My friend just used this stuff. It really looks good, to be perfectly honest with you, it's packaged exactly like Epoxy-Coat. I actually used the Epoxy-Coat myself.

For the price of $219 (shipping included), I think it's a good deal.

Good luck,

 

[sol]

New member here with limited experience, but Costco is great about the treatment of customers.

The product seems legit, I think alot of people here are coming up with wild speculations. I can also see a member here posting some heavy speculation has his best interests at stake.

Instead of trying to paint a picture the company is shady becuase they are new? or don't have a fixed web url addy info, why not try to explain a better reason the product is not good, if it is 100 percent solid and for that price, sold at a very high end retailer around north america , how can it be that bad?

Again it seems this brand/company is bringing a great product to market for a great price, the other vendors that sell a similiar product for a much higher price don't like it.

I guess in the end I think people should reserve judgement until they try the product, what if this product turns out better than any other solid epoxy on the market and for a better price? In the end choices are good for us the consumer, no need it letting the high end brands/branding run the show and pick for us consumers what is best.

After all the great research on this site, I am doing my triple garage with RACE DECK.

Great product , great staff and fair price. RaceDeck to me seems to be the clear winner.

Cheers.

 

[SivlerBulletMike]

Anybody use this yet? I am looking for a product review.

Thanks!

 

[99E36M]

Just ordered a couple kits this morning for my attached 26x26.

There is a recent thread about it. The poster thought it turned out terrible but I think you'll see that it is beautiful.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19968
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[SivlerBulletMike]

Just ordered a couple kits this morning for my attached 26x26.

There is a recent thread about it. The poster thought it turned out terrible but I think you'll see that it is beautiful.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19968

Please let us how it turns out. I am also going to buy this and plan to install it next month.

Thanks!

 

[99E36M]

Please let us how it turns out. I am also going to buy this and plan to install it next month.

Thanks!

I'm hoping to do this over the weekend, wish me luck! I'll take pics if I have time...don't want the epoxy to set up while I'm snappin pics! lol
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