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I tried loosening a partially round bolt today, and it was a little too rounded I guess.
The socket just slipped on it, and when I took it off I found this,



The sides are dented in, and the chrome is flaking off the edges.
And this was a brand new socket when I started. :mad:
 
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Sounds like a materials issue, maybe socket missed some hardening step?

Sockets either break or work for me.
 
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It's a brand new Snap On.
Just got it in the mail about a week ago.



Hopefully there was just a flaw with this one.
I certainly hope this isn't an example of all Snap On sockets....
 

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Most likely a defect then, send it back see what happens. Also were you using a cheater bar or normal use?
 

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oh wow, no, thats defnitly not a example of a typical snap on socket, in fact, ive found snapon to have some of the toughest chrome. I have seen this happen before, but it was from a MIT brand of sockets, nothing at snapon standards.
 

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Like someone said, it looks like it was improperly hardened or the alloy wasn't what it was supposed to be. When the sides flexed out the chrome didn't and it debonded.

Frankly I was thinking you were going to say it was a Harbor Freight. For what you're paying for Snap On you shouldn't expect to see something like that. Of course, everyone makes a mistake now and then, but I would think that someone like Snap On would be doing lot sample testing which would have a high likelihood of catching something like that. Chances are that most or all the sockets that were processed in that batch have issues. Doesn't mean that the other sockets in your kit will be bad though, probably all the sockets processed in that lot were the same size.
 
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I'll definitely get it replaced.
I've been pretty impressed with my other Snap On sockets, new and old, so hopefully this was just a one-of-a-kind.


I just don't seem to have much luck with 5/8" deep sockets....

I cracked a Blackhawk 1/2" drive a few weeks ago, an older Snap On 3/8" drive also a few weeks ago, and now this replacement is damaged...

I think maybe my American made sockets just resent being used on an Italian ratchet....
 
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The sides are dented in, and the chrome is flaking off the edges.
And this was a brand new socket when I started. :mad:

It's a brand new Snap On.
Just got it in the mail about a week ago.

Yeah, I would be mad if my "brand new" socket come from Snap-on with the grooves full of dried up crud like that one..... But I am always MAD.;)
 

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Yeah, I would be mad if my "brand new" socket come from Snap-on with the grooves full of dried up crud like that one..... But I am always MAD.;)

Dude, we don't all work on shiny new clean cars, believe it or not.

I'd be happy to show anybody who doubts thats it's new the f*cking warranty invoice.
 

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I feel your pain. I was taking the oil pan off my car and snapped an 8mm SO socket. It split from the top about half way down the socket. I was PO. No cheater or anything. I guess it was just a defect.......I really hope it was, and I hope I don't break anymore. It was brand new also, the first time I used it it snapped.
 

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Shouldn't you be selling all your Snap-On now? :bounce:

But no, I've never seen one do that. Usually when the chrome comes off like that, someones been using an impact, maybe you don't know your own strength:Mr.T:

Actually in all seriousness, it looks like the socket wasn't all the way on, or the bolt was really rounded and you cammed the socket off the end, which stretched what little of the socket was on the bolt to the point that the chrome cracked. Send it in, that is what the warranty is for.
 
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No cracks, just marks from banging against other sockets on a rail.

Well that's abuse then, you should learn to take care of your tools. :lol_hitti

If you have a lot of bolts like that, maybe get an impact socket, you will need a set eventually...

It's a slippery slope.
 
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Yeah, I would be mad if my "brand new" socket come from Snap-on with the grooves full of dried up crud like that one..... But I am always MAD.;)


Really dude? You think cause it has some grease or grime in the groove, it's not a newer socket? I guess your tools are just for show then?:headscrat I have tools that have come out of the packaging and less than hour later were caked in crud as if they were 20 years old. Sure, I keep my tools clean, but sometimes its impossible to be efficient and timely AND polish my tools to mirror finish...

back on track...

OP, I've had that happen to junky Chinese **** sockets, but never a SO, Mac, Matco or even my Craftsmans.. I don't think I've ever even had that happen to one of my Pittsburgh impacts... Let us know how SO handles it. Hopefully it was just a forging flaw on that socket or that run of sockets, and not a sign of whats now coming from SO.
 
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Dude, we don't all work on shiny new clean cars, believe it or not.

I'd be happy to show anybody who doubts thats it's new the f*cking warranty invoice.

No worries:)- Just did not look like a brand new socket with those deep scratches and the dried crud in the grooves. Carry on...
 

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When I watched the "How it's made" TV show where they made Snap-on sockets, they heat treated the sockets in huge bins, all at once. I remember wondering if the placement of the socket made a difference.
Does the sockets stuck in the center get the same quality of treatment as the ones closer to the heat, on the outside? or vise versa...

Here is a screen shot from that video
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Well that's abuse then, you should learn to take care of your tools. :lol_hitti

If you have a lot of bolts like that, maybe get an impact socket, you will need a set eventually...

It's a slippery slope.

I've got impact sockets too, but I generally only use them on an impact gun.
I just wanted to use a ratchet instead having to fire up the air compressor and listen to the blasted thing charge for an eternity on a Sunday evening.

No worries:)- Just did not look like a brand new socket with those deep scratches and the dried crud in the grooves. Carry on...

You know how much dried crud there is on a 30 year old Jeep?
Remarkably, it doesn't take long for that crud to transfer itself to a socket.

As for deep scratches...
Here's the same socket after a bit of "tool polishing"
I don't see any "deep scratches".
Perhaps not everybody keeps their tools in a velvet lined drawer....
 
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When I watched the "How it's made" TV show where they made Snap-on sockets, they heat treated the sockets in huge bins, all at once. I remember wondering if the placement of the socket made a difference.
Does the sockets stuck in the center get the same quality of treatment as the ones closer to the heat, on the outside? or vise versa...

Here is a screen shot from that video
Snaponheattreetment.png

Hmm, that would seem like a possibility.

I think there are some videos on youtube from How it's made"
Lemma see if I can find that one.
 
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Here it is, they don't say much else about it though.


You would assume Snap On knows what it's doing...
But it's sure hard to imagine the heat treating would be very even in a crate that size.
 

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I've got impact sockets too, but I generally only use them on an impact gun.
I just wanted to use a ratchet instead having to fire up the air compressor and listen to the blasted thing charge for an eternity on a Sunday evening.



You know how much dried crud there is on a 30 year old Jeep?
Remarkably, it doesn't take long for that crud to transfer itself to a socket.

As for deep scratches...
Here's the same socket after a bit of "tool polishing"
I don't see any "deep scratches".
Perhaps not everybody keeps their tools in a velvet lined drawer....

I use my impact sockets with hand tools all the time, depends on what I'm trying to do, with rounded/damaged/rusted nuts or bolts, I'll take an impact socket, and seat it on the nut with a tap of the hammer, gives it the best chance possible at getting it off the first time.

Velvet lined drawers are for pikers, sew up individual velvet bags for each socket with the size monogrammed on the side.
 
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Most likely a defect then, send it back see what happens. Also were you using a cheater bar or normal use?
Since it was a snapon it is chalked up as a defect. If it where a Craftsman or duralast or even Harbor Freight it would have been a piece of **** and worthy of being thrown in the trash.
 
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Velvet lined drawers are for pikers, sew up individual velvet bags for each socket with the size monogrammed on the side.

:lol_hitti
And you had better wear gloves when handling them!

Those finger prints...
There nasty stuff, I'll tell you!
 
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Since it was a snapon it is chalked up as a defect. If it where a Craftsman or duralast or even Harbor Freight it would have been a piece of **** and worthy of being thrown in the trash.

Only because Snap On actually has a decent reputation.


Craftsman is an insult to what the brand used to be.

Duralast, decent tools if you can find the older ones, new is just more cheap **** from china.

Harborfreight, well, need I say more?


Snap On is one company people still tend to put some trust in.

I would certainly hope that when I get the replacement, it holds up better than this one.
 
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You asked : Ever see a socket do this before?

Sure ....I have see it lots of times , but the socket didn't do it, the person using the socket did.

I understand your a youngster , 16 if I recall ,so you probably haven't had much wrenching experience yet.

Think about what happened , your pulling really hard with a long handle ratchet and the bolt wont move....... but because it is damaged it doesn't fit the socket properly and with enough torque the socket turns around the bolt and slips off causing the damage.

When you abuse a tool you will get damage to it , I understand you weren't intentionally abusing the socket but the end result is the same.

Although the picture is quite poor it appears that the chrome has cracked .
It also looks like the very edge of the center of the flats of the socket where it transitions into the chamfered opening have slightly distorted.
The edge with the worst distortion is the one where it first slipped off the bolt.
I believe your picture makes it look worse than it really is though.


What you did by twisting the bolt around inside the socket was point load the very edge of the flats causing the socket to expand under extreme pressure .
This expansion caused the very thin chrome to crack as one would expect.

With the points of the bolt now at the center of the flats it puts extreme pressure on this small area. (Point loading)

With the edge of the socket flat point loaded at this extreme pressure it can distort the metal as the socket slips off the bolt.

Sockets generally don't slip straight off ,they do more so when used with an impact .
When used by hand the socket slips off the bolt generally in the direction your pushing or pulling the ratchet.
If your pulling in a downward (vertical) motion you will find the greatest distortion to be on the flat that is on top.
This is because the point puts even more pressure on the flat as it comes off on an angle and this causes the point to dig into the flat and distort it even more and force the metal outward.
This type of damage is common when a socket is under pressure and slips off the bolt and in your instance it is quite understandable why it happened.

You sometimes see this type of wear / damage when sockets are used on an impact and slip off the bolt , but the damage is usually pretty even as the socket is spinning rapidly as it happens.
You also see a similar type of damage when people try to break sockets to get new ones under warranty.
Typically a tapered drift , ball bearing , ball end on a ball peen hammer, etc. is forced / pounded / pressed into a socket to expand it to crack it.
This puts a distortion on the top edge of the center of the flats of the socket.

I think you should try a different size / better fitting socket on this damaged bolt or one of those fluted damaged bolt removal sockets.
A soak with Aerokroil and some heat may make a world of difference.
Using an impact may help as well as the repeated hammering may help break the rust bond.

I am sure Snap On will replace the socket as the chrome is now damaged but I would be willing to bet that there was nothing defective with that socket and if you get a new one and try the same thing you will probably get the same result.

Snap On makes great tools , no question about it , but they are not magical , the laws of physics still apply.
 

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OHMIGOSH! This just in. Quality of Snap On is now **** and lessthanorequal to Craftsman. Pay 5X the price for the same quality? You decide.

Patrick
 

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You asked : Ever see a socket do this before?

Sure ....I have see it lots of times , but the socket didn't do it, the person using the socket did.

I understand your a youngster , 16 if I recall ,so you probably haven't had much wrenching experience yet.

Think about what happened , your pulling really hard with a long handle ratchet and the bolt wont move....... but because it is damaged it doesn't fit the socket properly and with enough torque the socket turns around the bolt and slips off causing the damage.

When you abuse a tool you will get damage to it , I understand you weren't intentionally abusing the socket but the end result is the same.

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Snap On makes great tools , no question about it , but they are not magical , the laws of physics still apply.

Thanks Bart for helping to educate our children. Very good write up.

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That youtube video didn't give any specific details at all about the heat treat or quench, or the metallurgy. Proprietary? I wonder why. What are they afraid people are going to learn?
 

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That youtube video didn't give any specific details at all about the heat treat or quench, or the metallurgy. Proprietary? I wonder why. What are they afraid people are going to learn?

I'm sure all brands have a special treatment that they do, and I doubt they want the competitors seeing their process.
 

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I would like to see a pic of the square drive end. I bet money that it will show some evidence of being used on an impact.
 

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I would like to see a pic of the square drive end. I bet money that it will show some evidence of being used on an impact.

I bet it wont. Its just as Bart described, uneven load on the walls will do that, though i'm still surprised the chrome at the lip chipped off. The same thing will happen to the open end of a wrench if the fastener is damaged. Very easy to spread or mushroom the open side if the pressure is displaced in a small location.
 

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A bit off topic however I have beat the **** out of snap on tools professionally for over twenty years including using chrome sockets with impact tools and I've broken (including chrome loss) less than a dozen snap on sockets. I'll admit those were older tools but I would hope that SO isn't making junk these days. BTW you'll have no problem warranting that socket.

Kudos Bart Simpson that is more than I could ever want to know about socket (mis)usage!
 

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i have abused my craftsman and snapon sockets and NEVER had the chrome peel away.:bowdown:
yes-i have used chrome sockets on IMPACTS WRENCHES before and not broke over a couple of them IN OVER 30 YEARS :thumbup:

FACE IT GUYS -THE BELOVED SNAP ON COMPANY IS STARTING TO GET CHEAP MADE METAL AND CHROMING :lol_hitti
 
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