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paddy

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I posted this reply earlier but forgot to subscribe to notification so here goes again. Came across this most unusual vice with cams and swiveling front jaw. Can't seem to find any information on it i.e., what the heck is it? It is manufactured by Montgomery & Co. Inc. NJ and has a 4" opening. Also looking for opinions as to its potential value as I intend to offer it for sale. Thanks for looking.
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You might have a rare vise there and it would make for an excellent restoration but its rareness might not reflect its worth. Many times unknown vises, regardless of its quality and age often go overlooked on Ebay...Or..You can score a homerun! To a specific collector that might be familiar with that name I would think $150-$200 would be a fair price.
 

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My thoughts exactly. I was thinking I would put it on eBay starting at $125 & have a buy it now price of $200. Any other suggestions as to where I might list it? I appreciate your input.
PH
 

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My thoughts exactly. I was thinking I would put it on eBay starting at $125 & have a buy it now price of $200. Any other suggestions as to where I might list it? I appreciate your input.
PH

Ebay is the worlds largest auction house. Nowhere can you get the exposure that Ebay gives you. A clean vise, good bright photos and a good prensentation will open the door. There's usually not a USA made vise that one of our members don't know something about. Maybe you might want to start a "info on this vise please"! thread. This post may be overlooked. Just a suggestion.
 

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hey guys i have bought paramo #6 vise does anyone know were i can get new jaws for it thanks
This is a response to an old posting but better late than not at all. I'll try to send a PM as well. There's a good chance that your Paramo #6 is the same as a Record No. 6. If so you can get a set of jaws with screws from Acklands-Grainger in Canada ... or possibly Grainger in the U.S. They cost about $35 CDN.

The jaws for a Record No. 6 (and hopefully a Paramo #6) measure ...
- Width - 6.0"
- Height - 1.0"
- Thickness - 0.5"
 

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Re: American vise manufacturers - 1958

Attached is a scan of the listing of American bench vise manufacturers from the 1958 MacRae's Blue Book.

There were almost 40 companies making bench vises then - and that's just bench vises, not machinists vises or other types:
Abernathy Vise
Acme Tool
Birtman
Brink & Cotton
Champion Blower
Chicago Tool
Columbian
Dodge
Emmert
Erie
Flexivise
Franklin
Hollands
Jordan
Littlestown
Majestic
Millers Falls
Milwaukee Hay Tool Co.
Mohn Machine Co.
Morgan
Odin
Parker
Phoenix Hardware
Prentiss
Production Devices
Reed
Richards-Wilcox
Ridge Tool
Stanley
Studebaker
Tesco
Twistite
US Lock and Hardware
Universal
Van Products
Will-Burt
Yost
Wilton

These old MacRae's Blue Books are great - the 1958 one is about 3,500 pages listing all the industrial manufacturers back then.

On the attachment you can see the addresses.

Just thought I'd bring this post out once more from last year.
 

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Here is a weird 2" vise that I have found -- it's made of steel and welded together throughout (not just the base). I really love the clean, angular lines of it:

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It seems to be made by Fabri-vise, although a Google search gives no results related to vises except for a site that says the Fabri-vise Corporation began in 1947 in Pennsylvania and is currently active. There is absolutely no other information about this company, though.

Anyone have information about this company or this vise?
 

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Hi all, a lot of info here so maybe you can help me out with identifying this pedestal under this Chas Parker vise. As it is now the vise stands about 3' high and looks like it will extend to more than 4'. The vise has had a very rough life. So far I have beveled the screw (which was broken) and welded it back together with a 100% weld and turned the O.D. on my lathe and cut new threads using two cut off wheels together on a side grinder. The screw is 3 TPI and my lathe only goes down to 4 TPI. The swivel pin was gone so I made a new one on the lathe. The only thing left to do on the vice is to make a new handle for the locking screw. The pedestal is a different story, I have been playing with it for more than a year now when ever I have had time. The mast is rusted tight in the tube and so far will not move. The gear and crank are missing and I will make new if it ever comes apart. Has anyone seen a pedestal like this before, I would like to find out who made it. The only thing on it is the numbers 2009 and I am quite sure that is not the year it was made. If I ever get it done it will be sand blasted and painted, but for now I have to walk around it every day, but is nice old piece of machinery. In the pics it is hanging on a hoist.
 

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Record:

A very high quality vise made in the UK. They feature a quick release lead screw in order to make positioning the work easier and faster.

GeorgiaHybrid's Record vise (vice).
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Reed: Reed vises are extremely stout in general. They are made in Erie, PA. They are basic, solid workhorse vises. The older units have a very strong method of attaching the swivel (if so equipped) which makes the swivel Reeds nearly as strong as the fixed-base models.


Reeds are distiguishable by a few different features.

First, in many years, the handle knob is very short and stubby as opposed to the more common ball or cylindrical shape. If it has this style, it is definitely a Reed.

Second, the jaws are usually secured using the hot forged insert method. No one really knows how they were able to do this. A common theory is that the jaws were left in the mold when the vise was cast, but this cannot be true because Reed vise jaws are uncommonly hard and this kind of process would take the temper out of the jaws. The best theory that I've heard is that the hot iron was allowed to cool to a certain temperature and then the jaws were stamped in.

Third, they are VERY HEAVY. Reed vises are definitely my favorite. I believe that along with Athol, they were the very pinnacle of American vise craftsmanship. They were overbuilt in every way and can take a lot of abuse.

Fourth, if it has a swivel base, it almost always has two t-handles.

Fifth, the model numbers are very easy to deal with. The majority of Reeds are either 100 or 200 sereies. 100's have no swivel base and 200's do have a swivel base. There are [a few] exceptions. 400 series have the swiveling rear jaw like alot of Prentisses. The last digit is always the width of the jaws. So, a 206 is a swiveling machinist vise with 6" jaws.

Reeds are still made exclusively in the USA. -credit BanjoSavesTheDay

RIDGID:

Older Ridgid vises were made in Elyra Ohio. They feature rectangular slides, and a fairly square jaw profile. They are very high quality vises.



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In more resent years, the company has introduced an all-steel vise of laminated construction. Overall, reviews are very favorable, and many like the sleeker styling offered. These drop forged Ridgid vises are made in Gevelsberg/Germany since 1910.
(formerly made by "Peddinghaus" , since 1996 by Ridgid) - Monte

Rock Island: Made in Rock Island Illinois. Kole?

Sawyer Tool Co. : Made in Oswego N.Y., these vises appear to be very good quality. Need more info.

Snap-On - Snap-on vises are re-branded Wilton's.

Starrett:

Taskmaster: As far as I know, these are a Wilton look-alike. Reviews are generally favorable.

Wilton:

These vises are famous for the fully enclosed spindles found on the higher end models. Wilton's are considered one of the better vises. The enclosed spindle design allows for lubrication to be more permanent, and protects the lead screw from damage. However, this design usually means the vise jaws will not pen as far as a rectangular slide vise for a given jaw width. They are made in Schiller Park Illinois.

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Wilton's seem to command a premium on the used market. While they are very good, I do not think they are THE best vises made. I think the quality is matched by many of the older USA vises such as Reed and Parker. Keep in mind, many vises that say Wilton are now made in China, and do not perform very well.

If the vise does not say MADE IN USA on the castings, it is likely made in China.

Yost: Yost, along with Wilton is one of the few American vise makers left that still manufactures in the USA. They offer an assortment of USA vises. Yosts were made in Meadville , PA however, they are made in Holland Michigan today. the higher end Yosts still are. Beware of imports carrying the Yost name.

rwhite692's vintage Yost after a beautiful restoration. Not all Yost vises are shaped this way.

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Thank you this is very informative.
 

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OKC is right on the way to Chicago......if I catch the two of you watching Dog The Bounty Hunter: Final Episodes......hmmmmm....that is a lovely Prentiss....and it lives in a windy heat area just like me.
Craig
 

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Hi all, a lot of info here so maybe you can help me out with identifying this pedestal under this Chas Parker vise.

Digr, that's a really neat stand, but I have no idea who made it or what it was for. Try posting it as a new thread and you might get people looking at it who don't read the vise threads.
 

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Monarch: Monarch vises were made for the Monarch company by Prentiss. You will usually, if not always see the PVCo mark on them. They carry a beautiful embossed lion's head. See Prentiss.

Are you taking additional information or edits?

Monarch vises were not made for the Monarch Company. Prentiss offered three lines of vises, and Monarch was simply one of the three.

1. Prentiss adjustable jaw machinist's vises (top of the line).

2. Prentiss "Bull Dog" vises (middle quality and price range).

3. Prentiss "Monarch" vises (lighter economy line).


Detail of 1920 catalog page for Prentiss vises, showing the Monarch description:

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Are you taking additional information or edits?

Monarch vises were not made for the Monarch Company. Prentiss offered three lines of vises, and Monarch was simply one of the three.


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Thats a great nugget of vise info you posted. Something I never knew..

Here's a Wilton nugget. The Tradesman series has to have its swivel base to mount unlike Wilton's machinist series
 

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found this Litco 112 for sale. what is a fair price?
if everything is in decent condition.
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How big is it?

With the postage stamp sized pic its hard to tell much, but the fact that it is a lightweight homeowners vise, (exposed screw, cast in jaw slide...) probably not a lot. 10-15 bucks maybe? (I've bought them for 2-3...) Also it's a "no name" company, (I've never heard of Litco... is it even US made?)
 
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its made by Littlestown

OK Littlestown I've heard of. it's still a light vise, for light use; I'm guessing 3-1/2" or 4" jaws, but that vise still probably weighs in at maybe 12 Lbs or so? (I have a similarly built 3" jaw that is 10 Lbs...)

What do you plan to do with it? For a vise on a roller tool box, that's not a bad size. For heavier use, I'd think you will be disappointed. The key here is what are you expectations and planned use?
 

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I have no plans for it. I don't own a vise at the moment. just basic light duty stuff. I just want to make sure I don't over pay for it and I am not getting a POS.
 

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I have an Emmert Mfg. Co., Waynesboro, PA Tiger No. 40 - 4 inch vise. It weighs a ton. I just started taking it apart to clean and repaint. I haven't seen an Emmert vise on the long thread, are they that rare or just not that good?
 

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I have an Emmert Mfg. Co., Waynesboro, PA Tiger No. 40 - 4 inch vise. It weighs a ton. I just started taking it apart to clean and repaint. I haven't seen an Emmert vise on the long thread, are they that rare or just not that good?

If its the Emmert from years past, some can be extremely pricey and sell on the bay for big bucks. You may not come up with too much since very few of us own one.
 

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Tav - post a new thread out in the General Tool Discussion forum. Put Emmert Vise in your title and the machinists may help you out. If it is a patternmaker's vise, then it is a pricey item.
Craig
 

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apparently i'm the only guy with an EMMERT tiger 40,i cannot find any info on this vise.the few things i have come across,tell me nothing.maybe the only bonus is,if someone search's for one,it will bring them here.
Just finished restoring an Emmert Tiger 40, the one I have has a swivel base. I will attempt tp post a couple pictures.
 

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Hi everyone,

I inherited my dad's old tools including a Sawyer vise identical to the one shown at post 174. It is missing one of the two jaw pieces that touch the piece being worked on. Also missing the top part of the mechanism that holds the vise from turning.

I think I can get a machine shop to make these parts, but was wondering if anyone has any other thoughts.

Thanks
 

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Hi everyone,

I inherited my dad's old tools including a Sawyer vise identical to the one shown at post 174. It is missing one of the two jaw pieces that touch the piece being worked on. Also missing the top part of the mechanism that holds the vise from turning.

I think I can get a machine shop to make these parts, but was wondering if anyone has any other thoughts.

Thanks

Swivel nut and handle:

Nut:
Carriage bolt up from the bottom for the “stud” (If needed...) get an all thread coupler (long nut about 1-1/2” to 2” long) the same thread. Cross drill it for about a 5/16 or 1/4” clearance hole.

Locking lever:
Get a 5-6” bolt either 5/16 or 1/4” (see above) also get a matching Jam nut. Grind the points off the hex of the bolt, and string it through the hole drilled in the coupler (above) and then run the jam nut down and jam it into the bottom of the threads of the bolt. Cut off most of the excess bolt. Peen the remainder into the nut flush as you can and file flat. Grind the points off the now captive Jam nut. You have just made a new locking lever and nut for the swivel base…
 

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Thanks for the quick reply. I can make this.

The stud is in place. So I'll get a threaded coupler to attach to the stud. I'll drill a hole in the coupler to accept a bolt. Now I get confused. I take a bolt for the lever and grind down the hex points so it will be rounded and fit into the hole on the coupler. Stick it through slightly and peen it down? Screw in jam nut make tight and peen it also. Then done?
 

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Hi everyone,

I inherited my dad's old tools including a Sawyer vise identical to the one shown at post 174. It is missing one of the two jaw pieces that touch the piece being worked on. Also missing the top part of the mechanism that holds the vise from turning.

I think I can get a machine shop to make these parts, but was wondering if anyone has any other thoughts.

Thanks
Lock nuts and handle can be easily made as outlawmws suggested. I believe there is a thread covered details that you can search on. I don't have much additional that I can contribute, other than the fact that I still have the vise posted in 174. If you want any picture or measurement let me know.
 

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Thanks for the quick reply. I can make this.

The stud is in place. So I'll get a threaded coupler to attach to the stud. I'll drill a hole in the coupler to accept a bolt. Now I get confused. I take a bolt for the lever and grind down the hex points so it will be rounded and fit into the hole on the coupler. Stick it through slightly and peen it down? Screw in jam nut make tight and peen it also. Then done?

This part is purely cosmetic. The head does not fit into the hole, the shank of the bolt does.

After it is in the coupler nut, you put the jam nut on and trim the excess threaded bolt off. Then to keep the nut from coming out you peen the very end of the threaded part so it mushrooms out to make sure the nut never comes off.

The last step is another cosmetic one, to make the jam nut look like the rounded head of the bolt.
 
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Thanks for the reply. I think I can get a working handle together with your picture and outlawmws' post. The missing jaw is very square and should be easy to make; once I find someone.
 

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About to build a large fab table and thought I'd see if could find a large older USA made vise on CraigsList. Came across this Buffalo and after reading this thread I figured why not, at least I can provide some pics as there seems to be a lack of info out there about these vises. Even though my Googlefu is strong I still draw a big blank. Feel free to ****** these and add to the first post.

He wanted $80, I bought it for $50, regardless if it was too high or a good buy I don't really care, it's a 6", hence the Buffalo 6 on it and weighs between 50-60lbs. I big ol heavy vise. It's seen a few days of work but overall is in good shape. Someone made a new handle and welded the nuts on and has changed out some or all of the jaw screws. Nowhere on it does it say USA or China... just the Buffalo and the 6. That's it. Seems to be the original olive green with some faint gold on the lettering. I haven't so much as wiped the grease off yet so what you see is how I bought it.

Thoughts?

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About 18" long and 10" high. I'm going to create a separate thread with more pics but you can view them all here: https://picasaweb.google.com/108524551480647365443/Vise?authuser=0&feat=directlink
 

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About to build a large fab table and thought I'd see if could find a large older USA made vise on CraigsList. Came across this Buffalo and after reading this thread I figured why not, at least I can provide some pics as there seems to be a lack of info out there about these vises. Even though my Googlefu is strong I still draw a big blank. Feel free to ****** these and add to the first post.

He wanted $80, I bought it for $50, regardless if it was too high or a good buy I don't really care, it's a 6", hence the Buffalo 6 on it and weighs between 50-60lbs. I big ol heavy vise. It's seen a few days of work but overall is in good shape. Someone made a new handle and welded the nuts on and has changed out some or all of the jaw screws. Nowhere on it does it say USA or China... just the Buffalo and the 6. That's it. Seems to be the original olive green with some faint gold on the lettering. I haven't so much as wiped the grease off yet so what you see is how I bought it.

Thoughts?

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About 18" long and 10" high. I'm going to create a separate thread with more pics but you can view them all here: https://picasaweb.google.com/108524551480647365443/Vise?authuser=0&feat=directlink


Can't say for sure it's chicom, but it's definitely an Asian import.
 

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I'm going to make my own jaw. I have a piece of steel brace cut to size. Since original has a dado down the length, I'll fill in that spot, top and bottom with hardwood strips.

Plan is to use metal epoxy to attach the steel to the vise. Think that will hold?
 
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