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Boogerman

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I received three packages of 12 each drill bits today in the mail. My wife was puzzled, and asked "why would you ever buy 12 bits the same size? Do you really need 12?" I told her I was restocking the cabinet; I periodically go through and note the sizes that are down to only a couple, and re-order and restock. I did say that I stock 115 sizes of bits up to 1/2", in addition to having larger bits. I stock from 2 to 20 each of the smaller 115 sizes, and typically 3 of the larger sizes. She asked how in the world someone could ever use up 115 bits, much less 12 each of 115 sizes. She guessed that a normal amount of drill bits to go through a year might be 2 or 3 or 4.

I have probably 10 to 20 index sets of bits. One or two of alpha sizes, 3 or 4 of number, and 6 to 10 of fractional. One set of fractional and one of number by the drill press. One fractional by the cordless drills. Several fractional indexes on workbenches and numerical on one bench where I do tapping frequently. A couple fractional in portable tool sets. Sets of all by the mill and lathe. I have a small drawer cabinet for each of the three series with spares to refill the sets. Another fractional cabinet near one workbench to refill easily there (not near the other work areas). Every time I dull a bit, I go to the cabinets, replace it, and throw the dull one in the used bit bin. I used to sharpen, now I just accumulate 5 or 10 pounds, and ebay them to someone else who likes to sharpen bits. I don't unless I have to. I may go through 50 or 100 bits a year, never kept track. Sometimes I go weeks without ruining a bit, sometimes I ruin 5 in 10 minutes.

I approach all other expendables the same way.

I stock 20 to 100 sheets of every grit of sandpaper/cloth from 30 to 1000.
I stock cutoff wheels, grinding discs and flap wheels by the dozens in different grits.
I stock 2x72 belts in about a half dozen grits, 3 or 4 belts of each.
I stock a few thousand dremel type grinding wheels, cratex, sanding drums, diamond burs, rolocs, etc.
I stock a few hundred 1/4" screwdriver insert bits in about 80 to 100 types.
I stock a few spools of weld wire, a few 5 or 10 pound cans of each type of welding rod.
Reciprocating saw blades about a dozen of each type, for maybe 150 total.
Sabre saw blades a huge assortment, maybe 250 total.
Wood saw circular blades, 2 or 3 of each type.
Hacksaw blades, a few dozen.
Taps, 5 or 10 of each size in different types (plug, bottoming, taper)
Carbide inserts for lathe and mill tooling, stock by the dozens to 20 pieces of each size and type.
End mills, about 400 in different sizes, types, configurations.
I stock gallon cans of most common chemicals and solvents, where I can use that much before it goes bad. I refill smaller containers.
I buy gallon cans of Titebond, and refill smaller containers from it.
I buy pound size containers of epoxy.
I buy gallon cans of cutting oils, refill smaller cans.
I stock a few thousand small screws, machine screws, washers, o-rings, lock washers, cotter pins and similar hardware. Stuff that's hard to get down at the local store or that I go through continuously.
I let the local store stock common bolts for me, they take up too much room and you never have an adequate quantity of a size. I do have a few divided bin organizers of small common sizes.
I have a few hundred wire nuts, connectors, crimps, etc in a wide range of sizes.
I have assortments of all kinds of ring and spade terminals in sizes for many different wires, probably a few thousand overall.
Electrical tape comes by the dozens of rolls at a time.
One or two of each paint color/type that I commonly use; buy individual colors as I need them for bigger jobs but like to have stuff for incidental use on hand.

I never worry about the cost of individual items on a job. I make the decision and pay for it up front to have a fully stocked shop. When I run low, I just restock. I don't want to be thinking about economizing on expendables or being careful to not ruin the one single item I have on hand to do the job. I want to do the job, use up what supplies/expendables are needed to do it fast and efficiently, and go on with life. I got to this stage slowly, buying what I could afford and building stock when I had a job that would stand the expense. After I got fully stocked, the occasional resupply pieces are pretty low cost in the big scheme of things.

I guess that approach is why I'm astounded that I see people here pre-occupied with warrantying a cheap screwdriver they bought 15 years ago. Or whether they can get a dealer to replace a worn out drill or tap or extractor or similar because it was expensive when they bought it. Or asking how to extend the useful life of an expendable that they don't want to replace. Or how to refurbish/resharpen some item that only costs a few dollars.

Am I the only one who approaches shop expendables this way?
 
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Robinson1

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I don’t have anywhere near that many drill bits, screwdriver bits or taps.

I’ve got tons of bolts and machine screws.

Got more electrical connectors and wire nuts. Heck I’ve probably got 300 wire nuts just on my work truck.

At any given time I’ve got enough screws and fasteners to at minimum build a house.

I can’t bring myself to throw away good hardware even if it means dragging it home a piece or two at a time as leftovers from jobs.

Plumbing fittings I’ve got totes and totes full. PVC, CPVC, PEX, copper. I’ve got more copper than the local hardware store stocks.

My major downfall is I can’t buy an exact quantity of anything. If I’m working on a project and need twenty 5/16x3 bolts I’ll buy the whole box.

Also often times it’s easier when a problem arises on a job to go buy xyz widget than it is to go home and get the entire bucket of identical xyz widgets I already have. Then I bring the extra unused widgets home and add to my bucket
 

LXCam

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That’s impressive boogeyman. But I’m wondering who does more drilling, you or the wife 😉


Btw, you’re not alone staying ahead of the curve. I make a fair attempt of it as well.
 

dscheidt

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I received three packages of 12 each drill bits today in the mail. My wife was puzzled, and asked "why would you ever buy 12 bits the same size? Do you really need 12?" I told her I was restocking the cabinet; I periodically go through and note the sizes that are down to only a couple, and re-order and restock. I did say that I stock 115 sizes of bits up to 1/2", in addition to having larger bits. I stock from 2 to 20 each of the smaller 115 sizes, and typically 3 of the larger sizes. She asked how in the world someone could ever use up 115 bits, much less 12 each of 115 sizes. She guessed that a normal amount of drill bits to go through a year might be 2 or 3 or 4.

I have probably 10 to 20 index sets of bits. One or two of alpha sizes, 3 or 4 of number, and 6 to 10 of fractional. One set of fractional and one of number by the drill press. One fractional by the cordless drills. Several fractional indexes on workbenches and numerical on one bench where I do tapping frequently. A couple fractional in portable tool sets. Sets of all by the mill and lathe. I have a small drawer cabinet for each of the three series with spares to refill the sets. Another fractional cabinet near one workbench to refill easily there (not near the other work areas). Every time I dull a bit, I go to the cabinets, replace it, and throw the dull one in the used bit bin. I used to sharpen, now I just accumulate 5 or 10 pounds, and ebay them to someone else who likes to sharpen bits. I don't unless I have to. I may go through 50 or 100 bits a year, never kept track. Sometimes I go weeks without ruining a bit, sometimes I ruin 5 in 10 minutes.

I approach all other expendables the same way.

I stock 20 to 100 sheets of every grit of sandpaper/cloth from 30 to 1000.
I stock cutoff wheels, grinding discs and flap wheels by the dozens in different grits.
I stock 2x72 belts in about a half dozen grits, 3 or 4 belts of each.
I stock a few thousand dremel type grinding wheels, cratex, sanding drums, diamond burs, rolocs, etc.
I stock a few hundred 1/4" screwdriver insert bits in about 80 to 100 types.
I stock a few spools of weld wire, a few 5 or 10 pound cans of each type of welding rod.
Reciprocating saw blades about a dozen of each type, for maybe 150 total.
Sabre saw blades a huge assortment, maybe 250 total.
Wood saw circular blades, 2 or 3 of each type.
Hacksaw blades, a few dozen.
Taps, 5 or 10 of each size in different types (plug, bottoming, taper)
Carbide inserts for lathe and mill tooling, stock by the dozens to 20 pieces of each size and type.
End mills, about 400 in different sizes, types, configurations.
I stock gallon cans of most common chemicals and solvents, where I can use that much before it goes bad. I refill smaller containers.
I buy gallon cans of Titebond, and refill smaller containers from it.
I buy pound size containers of epoxy.
I buy gallon cans of cutting oils, refill smaller cans.
I stock a few thousand small screws, machine screws, washers, o-rings, lock washers, cotter pins and similar hardware. Stuff that's hard to get down at the local store or that I go through continuously.
I let the local store stock common bolts for me, they take up too much room and you never have an adequate quantity of a size. I do have a few divided bin organizers of small common sizes.
I have a few hundred wire nuts, connectors, crimps, etc in a wide range of sizes.
I have assortments of all kinds of ring and spade terminals in sizes for many different wires, probably a few thousand overall.
Electrical tape comes by the dozens of rolls at a time.
One or two of each paint color/type that I commonly use; buy individual colors as I need them for bigger jobs but like to have stuff for incidental use on hand.

I never worry about the cost of individual items on a job. I make the decision and pay for it up front to have a fully stocked shop. When I run low, I just restock. I don't want to be thinking about economizing on expendables or being careful to not ruin the one single item I have on hand to do the job. I want to do the job, use up what supplies/expendables are needed to do it fast and efficiently, and go on with life. I got to this stage slowly, buying what I could afford and building stock when I had a job that would stand the expense. After I got fully stocked, the occasional resupply pieces are pretty low cost in the big scheme of things.

I guess that approach is why I'm astounded that I see people here pre-occupied with warrantying a cheap screwdriver they bought 15 years ago. Or whether they can get a dealer to replace a worn out drill or tap or extractor or similar because it was expensive when they bought it. Or asking how to extend the useful life of an expendable that they don't want to replace. Or how to refurbish/resharpen some item that only costs a few dollars.

Am I the only one who approaches shop expendables this way?

This is the estate sale people dream of. That said, yours is a perfectly reasonable attitude in a commercial shop that is going to have all sorts of jobs coming through, and where being the guys that got it done today, instead of having to wait for a whatever commands a premium. For a home shop, it's a lot of money, and depending on what you actually do, the odds of using it is low.
 

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I’m not sure of the quantity of baseline consumable items I keep, but it’s pretty extensive. I’m not a commercial shop, but my free time is pretty valuable to me and I work in my shop primarily on the weekends. Its not always practical to run to a store or wait for delivery to get the odd thing I need to finish a project, and I don’t really have the space or inclination to have multiple projects running at once.

Lee
 

theoldwizard1

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Am I the only one who approaches shop expendables this way?
Nope ! You are worse than I am !

I have both male a female electric cord ends in both orange and black. Many sizes of nuts (need more metric) and washers, sheet metal screws and machine screws.

Because I work on small engines I have a,couple of feet of low pressure neoprene fuel line. Tecumseh engines use 1/4" fuel line but the OD is smaller because it snakes behind the fan shroud. Also, 5 or 6 sizes of spring hose clamps. When I buy small engine air filters or gaskets, I always bite 4 or 5.

I only have a couple of full sheets of different sandpaper but I also have emery cloth. I have r different sanders. W can use paper cut from fill sheets, but the other two, I am good on. Well stocked on nylon Rolloc disks and small and medium grinding/cut off discs.

Some of this is leftover from Boy Scouts. "Be prepared !"
 

Miss the Pontiacs

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I carry a fair inventory of consumables. There is nothing I like better than NOT having to run around putting together parts from a list. I’m trying to use up some items and will do a work around to use up materials I already have on hand.
 

theoldwizard1

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I stock gallon cans of most common chemicals and solvents, where I can use that much before it goes bad. I refill smaller containers.
If you aren't picky about brands of spray lubes/cleaners, buy 12 cans of like brake cleaner/carb vleaner from Walmart. The price is right and because you are buying a case, they will ship it to you for FREE !
 

Johnny chaos

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I am a home gamer but do exactly the same with all of my consumables. I am typically working on projects after hours and cannot get supplies and don't want a project stopped because of something as simple as keeping my inventory.
 

MushCreek

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When I had my own shop, I kept a good stock of things like drill bits, because I used them every day. Now, I try to keep two drill indexes stocked up, with extras for some of the common sizes. Same goes for other expendables. Being retired, I can afford to run out and wait for new ones to be delivered.
 

Debcrow

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Seems like a BIT much....
:)
On the other hand, I cannot make myself throw away a perfectly good bit just because I ended up with too many of a particular size that I rarely use.
 

legenddc

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I guess it depends on how often you’re going through things. In the era of 2 day shipping it seems like a lot.

I don’t have 115 drill bits, never mind size. 250 reciprocating saw blades would be several lifetimes worth for me.

I do buy sandpaper at 100 discs per grit and my normally used wood screws in bulk. The brands I buy aren’t in stock at my local Home Depot. Titebond is so I don’t find the need to hoard gallons of it.
 

cannuck

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Am I the only one who approaches shop expendables this way?
No, you are not alone. My backyard shop was once my one man R&D and off season production place, and sometimes host to 6 man crew, so it was set up to support a very busy 4 month production cycle. Now that I have retired from serving the client that sucked up most of my time (and made most of the money) over last 33 years, I am moving back from their shop to mine - so once again need things available without interrupting work.

Where you have 10 indices I probably have 5 or 6. Drill bits are now responsibility of eldest grandson to keep organized. He is not yet able to sharpen (have thought about Drill Doctor but totally unimpressed with its accuracy). Mostly singles on Prentiss bits, annular and MT over 1/2" and about double on most sizes of end mills. The biggest shock is going to suppliers to replace things that cost 1/10 30-40 years ago.

I keep 144 bins with enough on hand for most jobs of Gr5 UNC and Gr8 UNF, and my workbenches have 2 rows (60 ft) of divisible 4x7 bins for misc small stuff, metric and stainless. I have a fastener shelving system starting to assemble, but will have to wait until new shop up to have room for it all (as well my large tooling and equipment - some in storage and some on loan to a shop I have access to at any time where they have what I do not.

My goal is to take at least 2 of my grandsons through the entire process of design, build, test, tool up and production of a short line of products so they can either carry on with or move on to some others with foundation of how small business works. 13 YO already understands why we can't just shut down and run to town every time we start a job or project.
 

dchawk81

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I received three packages of 12 each drill bits today in the mail. My wife was puzzled, and asked "why would you ever buy 12 bits the same size? Do you really need 12?" I told her I was restocking the cabinet; I periodically go through and note the sizes that are down to only a couple, and re-order and restock. I did say that I stock 115 sizes of bits up to 1/2", in addition to having larger bits. I stock from 2 to 20 each of the smaller 115 sizes, and typically 3 of the larger sizes. She asked how in the world someone could ever use up 115 bits, much less 12 each of 115 sizes. She guessed that a normal amount of drill bits to go through a year might be 2 or 3 or 4.

I have probably 10 to 20 index sets of bits. One or two of alpha sizes, 3 or 4 of number, and 6 to 10 of fractional. One set of fractional and one of number by the drill press. One fractional by the cordless drills. Several fractional indexes on workbenches and numerical on one bench where I do tapping frequently. A couple fractional in portable tool sets. Sets of all by the mill and lathe. I have a small drawer cabinet for each of the three series with spares to refill the sets. Another fractional cabinet near one workbench to refill easily there (not near the other work areas). Every time I dull a bit, I go to the cabinets, replace it, and throw the dull one in the used bit bin. I used to sharpen, now I just accumulate 5 or 10 pounds, and ebay them to someone else who likes to sharpen bits. I don't unless I have to. I may go through 50 or 100 bits a year, never kept track. Sometimes I go weeks without ruining a bit, sometimes I ruin 5 in 10 minutes.

I approach all other expendables the same way.

I stock 20 to 100 sheets of every grit of sandpaper/cloth from 30 to 1000.
I stock cutoff wheels, grinding discs and flap wheels by the dozens in different grits.
I stock 2x72 belts in about a half dozen grits, 3 or 4 belts of each.
I stock a few thousand dremel type grinding wheels, cratex, sanding drums, diamond burs, rolocs, etc.
I stock a few hundred 1/4" screwdriver insert bits in about 80 to 100 types.
I stock a few spools of weld wire, a few 5 or 10 pound cans of each type of welding rod.
Reciprocating saw blades about a dozen of each type, for maybe 150 total.
Sabre saw blades a huge assortment, maybe 250 total.
Wood saw circular blades, 2 or 3 of each type.
Hacksaw blades, a few dozen.
Taps, 5 or 10 of each size in different types (plug, bottoming, taper)
Carbide inserts for lathe and mill tooling, stock by the dozens to 20 pieces of each size and type.
End mills, about 400 in different sizes, types, configurations.
I stock gallon cans of most common chemicals and solvents, where I can use that much before it goes bad. I refill smaller containers.
I buy gallon cans of Titebond, and refill smaller containers from it.
I buy pound size containers of epoxy.
I buy gallon cans of cutting oils, refill smaller cans.
I stock a few thousand small screws, machine screws, washers, o-rings, lock washers, cotter pins and similar hardware. Stuff that's hard to get down at the local store or that I go through continuously.
I let the local store stock common bolts for me, they take up too much room and you never have an adequate quantity of a size. I do have a few divided bin organizers of small common sizes.
I have a few hundred wire nuts, connectors, crimps, etc in a wide range of sizes.
I have assortments of all kinds of ring and spade terminals in sizes for many different wires, probably a few thousand overall.
Electrical tape comes by the dozens of rolls at a time.
One or two of each paint color/type that I commonly use; buy individual colors as I need them for bigger jobs but like to have stuff for incidental use on hand.

I never worry about the cost of individual items on a job. I make the decision and pay for it up front to have a fully stocked shop. When I run low, I just restock. I don't want to be thinking about economizing on expendables or being careful to not ruin the one single item I have on hand to do the job. I want to do the job, use up what supplies/expendables are needed to do it fast and efficiently, and go on with life. I got to this stage slowly, buying what I could afford and building stock when I had a job that would stand the expense. After I got fully stocked, the occasional resupply pieces are pretty low cost in the big scheme of things.

I guess that approach is why I'm astounded that I see people here pre-occupied with warrantying a cheap screwdriver they bought 15 years ago. Or whether they can get a dealer to replace a worn out drill or tap or extractor or similar because it was expensive when they bought it. Or asking how to extend the useful life of an expendable that they don't want to replace. Or how to refurbish/resharpen some item that only costs a few dollars.

Am I the only one who approaches shop expendables this way?
I haven't drilled that much since I was a teenager.
 
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danielbuck

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I always keep a pretty organized stock of things I use often (wood screws, nuts, bolts, washers, other hardware, welding supplies and so on, and chemicals and such). I don't keep inventory of them, I just order more when they start to get low. Often it's cheaper to buy in larger quantities, but I just like not having to order something or go to the hardware store every time I'm working on something. Drill bits, I generally keep multiples and different lengths of most sizes 1/16"-1/2", and then I have a few of most sizes going up to about 1". When a bit gets dull, I put it in the "sharpen me" bin, and sharpen them all at once every so often. Bits smaller than 1/8" though I just toss. I've been using annular cutters more often for sizes over 1/2" though.
 

dcg9381

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10-20 index drill bit sets is "impressive. Everyone else has covered all the "drilling" jokes.

I keep a lot of "consumables" too. Mainly screw types that I use, lots of epoxy, lots of epoxy mixing containers. I just ordered 36 6" foam rollers because I don't want to have to drive out to pick something up.

We're probably fortunate to have the "room" to store this stuff.

My spouse tried the "If you haven't used it in a year, get rid of it" thing on me... I told her that there was an exception to that rule on PVC, electrical wire, solvents, paint, glue, heat shrink, fittings of any type, steel, dimensional lumber, PEX, and car parts.

I have gotten rid of some things. I had systems to carbonate water / beer - sold those off.

I have a pile of "scrap ply" that I'm probably going to give away.

And yes, I don't say a darn thing about her purchase of shoes or whatever she's out buying right now at the home store...
 
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Boogerman

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Everybody's usage case is different.
If you're using them up, then you're doing a great job.
If you're hoarding "just in case", re-evaluate.
I must be using them up. I had 3 compartments that were out, or close to it, so had to order a dozen more of each....

I'm not hoarding for someday. Very little of this stuff hasn't been used up and replaced in the past 3 to 5 years. Some of it multiple times a year. I used up 10 or 15 drill bits a couple of weeks ago, a bit higher attrition than usual, but not by much. Some of that was just looking at the sets while I was replacing used up ones anyway and replacing slightly dull ones with new. Some was filling out a set that had a couple of missing ones.

If I have stuff lying around not being used, I ebay it or give it away. Couple of weeks ago, I gave a friend that was going to do some concrete drilling an assortment of about 40 or 50 masonry bits, up to 1" or so in size. They were obsolete to me, because I've replaced the straight hammer drill with an SDS Plus, so the bits won't work with the new system. He doesn't do as much work, and is willing to put up with the slower drilling to save some dollars. He was reluctant to borrow my better equipment, and I was glad to free up the space by giving him my obsolete ones.
 

K13

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What the hell are you doing to use up 10 to 15 drill bits at a time? To me that's either buying **** drill bits or not using them properly.
 

LopezBart

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There are some sizes of drill bits that are used much more frequently; it makes sense to have extras there. Being able to sharpen larger drills by hand means that it's only the small sizes that need more than one spare....

All these boring jokes about drills...
 

woody 73

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I think I have tons of everything but lessons that I have learned along the way have helped me out.

Sandpaper, especially the belt kind have a smaller shelf life, so I do not stock up on sandpaper products.

Chemicals, again a smaller shelf life; I have been told 5 years for oil, so I tend to not buy a lot of chemicals.

Rubber o rings, again smaller shelf life.

Now this one is going to sound strange, and it took me by surprise, but I bought a **** load of Dremel wire brush items in the 1970's thinking hey that **** will last forever, but not so; every time I use the nos those bristles explode all over my body and they implode/explode in seconds, not sure why but they do?

So, take it with a grain of salt your results might vary.

Woody
 

VolksWomble

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As a hobbyist, the ideal of keeping and maintaining “stock” does seem to raise some eyebrows with those who don’t get it…

i cant say I’m anything like as organised or proactive as you, and have adopted a policy of metrification generally - so drill bits are kept in 1-13mm in 0.1mm increments with good stock of whole, half and common tapping drill sizes. This avoids the need for number, letter and fractional sets…

fasteners reflect a policy of buying 10s, 50s or 100s depending on usage frequency - similar to others, I’ll buy the box rather than odd ones or twos…

it does mean that projects can be a little more costly, but subsequent ones have a high degree of ‘free’ components if they use what’s already in stock…

i do tend to buy Dormer drills, but never at list…

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they tend to come in Boxes of 10 tho.. this lot from Facebook Marketplace as surplus.

Thanks to that particular find, taper drills are now held in stock too…

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