ishiboo
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Wiring changes done without inspection/permits/etc. do not automatically mean your claim will be denied.
Extending WiFi to detached gargage
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Wiring changes done without inspection/permits/etc. do not automatically mean your claim will be denied.
KPSquared
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Don't waste your time with all the wired internet ****. Point to point wireless is getting more and more affordable. None of my communications/internet stuff is wired. My internet is provided without wires so it just makes sense to me to distribute it without wires. . . actually, the only thing that is wired in my house is the power. . . phone, internet, and TV all come through the air.
It's a wireless age. . . cables are old school.
It's a wireless age. . . cables are old school.
Purchase 2 older Linksys WRT54g Ap's, make sure they can use external antennas. Install DDWRT software in both. Run the one in the house as an AP,the one in your shop as a CLIENT. Outside antennas on both. Been using this setup in my shop for 5yrs.
GDPossehl
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Digging up an old thread here. I figure there's gotta be some new equipment out there 3 years later.
I have an AT&T provided modem/wireless router combo on the living room floor about 5-6 feet away from a window overlooking the pool which is about 50 ft away. The total drop to the pool level is about 10-12ft. On the other side of the pool is a small pool shed where I have a stereo set up. I'd like to be able to plug my phone into an aux cord and stream music, but the wifi connection is a little too weak at that distance. It works fine if I turn the wifi off and use 4GLTE service, but I'd prefer not to eat that data.
I'm thinking a simple solution may be one of those power outlet wireless repeaters.
Does anyone have an other suggestions or recommend a certain brand/model of repeater?
I have an AT&T provided modem/wireless router combo on the living room floor about 5-6 feet away from a window overlooking the pool which is about 50 ft away. The total drop to the pool level is about 10-12ft. On the other side of the pool is a small pool shed where I have a stereo set up. I'd like to be able to plug my phone into an aux cord and stream music, but the wifi connection is a little too weak at that distance. It works fine if I turn the wifi off and use 4GLTE service, but I'd prefer not to eat that data.
I'm thinking a simple solution may be one of those power outlet wireless repeaters.
Does anyone have an other suggestions or recommend a certain brand/model of repeater?
wyliesdiesels
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Check out the various APs Ubiquiti Networks makes. Theyre stuff is great.
At 50' a nano station m loco would work good! They make 2.4ghz and 5ghz flavors...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004E...s=ubiquiti&dpPl=1&dpID=41RVFkkPOaL&ref=plSrch
https://www.ubnt.com/products/
At 50' a nano station m loco would work good! They make 2.4ghz and 5ghz flavors...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004E...s=ubiquiti&dpPl=1&dpID=41RVFkkPOaL&ref=plSrch
https://www.ubnt.com/products/
Looking for any updates to what you guys use to extend WiFi to Shop 150 ft.
I would like to put a TV and get Netflix on smart tv???
Will this possibly work ?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PLESMGY/?tag=atomicindus08-20
Thanks
Hap
I would like to put a TV and get Netflix on smart tv???
Will this possibly work ?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PLESMGY/?tag=atomicindus08-20
Thanks
Hap
vartz04
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I used a little $19.99 repeater from Amazon. 150' isn't really that far so just about any repeater will work. Just plug it in near the window closest to your garage.
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tlmartin84
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This.......I tried a few options prior to buying one of these.
They are the ticket.......
Plump
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I don't know. Still seems like a better, and cheaper option, to rent the trencher for $75 and throw in some Cat 5. All these repeaters, etc. cost more and you're still losing bandwith.
tlmartin84
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My ubiquiti was 40.00.... and the bandwidth drop isn't an issue with these units. I can stream netflix, slingtv, radio stations, and youtube at the shop with no issues.
I am doing a similar thing, just need to extend my wireless to my garage about 75'-100' from the router. Do I need just one of these nanos, or one on each end? I understand the concept of bridge versus access point, but which will really work effectively?
Is it hard-wired to the router with ethernet cable?
Thanks.
tlmartin84
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It depends...........
I had wireless signal from my house at my shop (150' away). No issues. When The metal siding went up, I lost all signal inside.
I put up the nano station outside, ran a cable from it to an Access point in my shop.
They will not work as a repeater, you have to have the AP.
I would buy one, and set it up as an antenna at your house first, that may be good enough for you. If not set it up like mine.
The ubiquiti is so strong that while I cannot get signal inside the building from anywhere radio included. They AP will broadcast through it....
I had wireless signal from my house at my shop (150' away). No issues. When The metal siding went up, I lost all signal inside.
I put up the nano station outside, ran a cable from it to an Access point in my shop.
They will not work as a repeater, you have to have the AP.
I would buy one, and set it up as an antenna at your house first, that may be good enough for you. If not set it up like mine.
The ubiquiti is so strong that while I cannot get signal inside the building from anywhere radio included. They AP will broadcast through it....
wyliesdiesels
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Get 2 ubiquiti nano station M5s and some ethernet cable. If u will have multiple hosts in the garage get a gigabit switch as well.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PLESMGY/?tag=atomicindus08-20
Range extenders **** and 150' is a good distance for wireless especially if there is obstacles and other access points that can cause interference.
The problem with range extenders is that they repeat the signal on the same channel that they receive on so communication is slow. Also most extenders dont have as much output power or sensitivity as a regular wireless router, unless of course u buy a nighthawk range extender which cost almost as much as a regular nighthawk wireless router.
Repeaters do loose bandwidth. However, the ubiquiti radios i linked to arent repeaters and they dont loose bandwidth.
And if youre burying CAT5 either direct or in conduit, u should be using the direct burial type with the gel in it aka flooded cable.
Is your garage attached or detached.
U would need 2 nanos and yes they plug into the power adapter called a POE and then another ethernet cable plugs into your router.
wyliesdiesels
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U need 2 ubiquiti radios because they arent repeaters. However, u can use one ubiquiti radio as an access point. But that wont work when u need to get the signal 75'+ away.
Essentially its an invisable cable. The correct term is wireless point to point.
tlmartin84
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Wylie, he may not need two if he has signal already at the building.... I didnt. I have amazon prime, and wasn't in a hurry so I purchased a piece at a time.
I would not even consider a hard line after seeing how well the Nano works.
I would not even consider a hard line after seeing how well the Nano works.
Garage is detached. Located behind the house, slightly offset. I can pick up the neighbors wireless signal, but not mine in there.
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tlmartin84
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Correct, he needs a receiver (the loco), and then an AP inside the building. Mine is 150+ feet away and has flawless connection. The wifi it receives is from my frontier router nothing special.
tlmartin84
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Can you pick it up just outside the building?
wyliesdiesels
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Sure u can do it that way but performance can be hampered. How good is the signal on the outside? U would need a device such as an android, with wifi analyzer to check signal levels.
If u want a true wireless point to point, that wont be affected by signal fluctuations, then u get 2 nano stations and aim them at each other.
What is the distance between the 2 buildings?
tlmartin84
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I used my android. Mine came up in the 50-60db range. The android is kind of iffy...
When I hooked up the LOCO you can get a more accurate reading through its setup pages.
When I hooked up the LOCO you can get a more accurate reading through its setup pages.
ishiboo
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I think people missed the fact this is a POWERLINE extender with a wireless access point built in, not a wifi repeater. Yes, I think this is the easiest most cost effective solution to your problem as long as your garage is fed power from your house, or from the same side of the transformer.
Chances are just to get some Internet access in the shop and everything, this is more than enough for what you need. Plus no trenching, antennas on the outside of the building, etc.
The PE500WLS has two Ethernet ports at the bottom - if feasible connect the smart TV directly to one of them.
wyliesdiesels
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Android is the only mobile device that will work for wireless scanning. Apple locked their wifi radios years ago. Im an apple guy but have an android tablet for this exact reason.
Yes thats good signal.
The OP would need to check his wifi signal outside before he buys equipment to see if he can get by with one radio instead of 2.
I didnt miss it. I cant stand those. I avoid them like the plague!
ishiboo
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OK, went to do some reading to ask better questions and understand the answers.
I have not tested the wifi range extensively, but my daughter reports she can get it to the street in the front yard, about 50 feet. My garage is about 75' from the house in the backyard (maybe 100' from the router). I have not checked signal along the path, but of course I cannot get it at the garage.
So I understand these do not work as repeaters and that is not a good way to go. Read a report of using one of these as an access point to send internet to the neighbor's house. Is that what they do, essentially broadcast or extend your wifi signal?
If I can then receive it on my device, why would I need a second one at the building? To transmit back? Will the device (laptop or smart phone will be the usual, though I might consider putting a TV with streaming in there if it works well enough).
Kinda new to this, so thanks for the patience.
cabin fever
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Mine wifi router is less then 20 ft from my garage. I get great reception if the overhead door is open. If its closed i get ****! The router in the house is as close as i can get it to window which is litterly 10 feet from my garage. Any cheap solutions for this. Is there some kind of antenna i could mount on the garage that would broadcast inside. It really ***** in the winter when we are inside. Durring the summer when the door is up its perfect. Tried a new router and it didnt help. Metal roof/ door on the garage.
wyliesdiesels
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U can do several different things with the ubiquiti radios. They arent limited to one type of setup. I think thats why youre confused.
U can:
*Use 2 nano stations in a wireless point to point setup where one is an AP(access point) and the other is a station. Think of it as an invisable wire. In this mode it doesnt extend your wifi, it extends your network. On the station side(preferably the garage end) u would have the nano station mounted outside aiming at the AP, an ethernet cable would go from the NS to the power supply(POE) inside the garage, then u would plug in another ethernet cable to the POE and the other end can plug into a computer, a smart TV or another wireless router which then can broadcast a new wifi signal in the garage.
*Use 1 NS mounted in the same fashion as above, and set it up to connect to your existing wireless router in the house. This only works if u have good signal on the outside of the garage. This is why u need to do a wireless survery first if u want to go this route.
*Use 1 NS, plugged into a router, as an access point, for wireless devices. When doing this u have to make sure to put it on a 20mhz channel width(for 2.4ghz version nano stations) or the correct channels (for the 5ghz version nano stations) otherwise devices such as phones laptops and TVs wont see the signal because the nano stations can operate on channels outside of the channels that typical wireless devices can see.
Hopefully that clears up the confusion. I install lots of these so Im very familiar with them.
Thanks, that helps a lot.
So version 1 I understand.
Version 2 is working as a receive for the existing Wifi signal. Would this also have to be setup at 20 mHz as in version 3?
Version 3 is working as a transmitter sending the signal.
For Version 1 (2 units), I could use them at the higher 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz depending on the unit? Is there some kind of conversion needed at the receiving end?
Do both ends utilize the POE adapter?
So version 1 I understand.
Version 2 is working as a receive for the existing Wifi signal. Would this also have to be setup at 20 mHz as in version 3?
Version 3 is working as a transmitter sending the signal.
For Version 1 (2 units), I could use them at the higher 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz depending on the unit? Is there some kind of conversion needed at the receiving end?
Do both ends utilize the POE adapter?
wyliesdiesels
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Ver 2 would need to be on the same channel width as the existing wireless router. If its a 2.4ghz only wireless router (not dual band- both 2.4 and 5) then yes it needs to be on 20Mhz channels.
Keep in mind that Ubiquiti makes a 2.4ghz and 5ghz nano station. They arent interoperable(not dual band) so if u used 2 they both have to be the same model.
Also keep this in mind, 2.4ghz goes farther and penetrates objects better but has less available bandwidth and more interference issues due to there only being 11 channels total and only 3 non overlapping channels. If theres other wireless aps in the area with good signal, u need to make sure to setup all your devices on channels that are different than the other aps. However, because of the limited channel spectrum and only 3 non overlapping channels, this can be difficult. Also, if u have multiple APs, make sure theyre on different channels or are far enough apart on the same channel so that they dont interfere with each other.
5Ghz doesnt have the same issues as 2.4Ghz. It has more channel spectrum available and way more bandwidth however it doesnt go as far and has issues penetrating objects(keep in mind wireless signlas dont bend around corners or objects. They have to go directly through them)
Question 3: Version 1 needs to have the same radios on both ends. 5ghz is actually higher than 2.4ghz as far as which units to use in your situation, it all depends on the environment so i couldnt say sitting here on my phone. U have to do some analyzing to figure that out. And no there isnt a converter needed. The 2 radios talk to each other.
Yes each radio needs a POE(power over ethernet) adapter. But the radios come with them. Keep in mind, if u have a POE switch, u cant use it for mich of Ubiquitis equipment because they use 24v POEs(which isnt a standard POE voltage). If u plug these into a POE switch(48v) u will instantly burn up the radio.
ishiboo
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Be careful when you say "the radios come with them." If you buy a 3 pack thinking you are saving money, the 3- and 5-packs from Ubiquiti DO NOT. So buy the individuals and you'll be fine.
That said, and as a huge Ubiquiti lover (I shoot my Internet 4000' away from a neighboring farm with two NanoBeam ACs), I still think the power line option first posted is the way to go for the OP.
That said, and as a huge Ubiquiti lover (I shoot my Internet 4000' away from a neighboring farm with two NanoBeam ACs), I still think the power line option first posted is the way to go for the OP.
wyliesdiesels
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interesting. Ive never heard of that. And Ive bought lots of them at once but mever a 3 pack. My suppliers dont even sell them in 3 packs.
Where do u get them in 3 or 5 packs?
Screwdriver
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There are probably a thousand ways to rig up a satisfactory wireless solution.
There's only one way you'll get a decent solid network and that's with a cable.
S.
There's only one way you'll get a decent solid network and that's with a cable.
S.
ishiboo
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I beg to differ.
Screwdriver
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Fair enough. Where does the network originate and where does it terminate?
All a WiFi system can do is introduce an additional system into the equation and any WiFi bridge is therefore always going to be more complex and less reliable.
A direct cable connection is always going to be better than any other type of transmission system. There are also additional security implications as well as IP complications especially for "permanent" CCTV installations which would be (in my book) one of the prime reasons for having a remote network in the first place.
S.
ishiboo
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It's 150'. To say you can't get a "decent" connection with wireless is ********. Drive around and look up at the sky sometime. There are dozens of long-distance wireless back hauls with cheap gear providing reliable links tens of miles in every city.
ishiboo
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Chances are it would.
My barn and house are connected via Insteon and it makes it no problem, and it's a much weaker/simpler setup than power line Ethernet.
Def true here. I put Ethernet networks in electrical substations. We routinely run near EHV transmission lines around multi thousand amp circuits and at distances where it isn't "supposed" to work. This stuff just works. As for the OP's issue HomePlug is the way to go. They even have them now with a wifi AP built in for the barn end.
As long as you are on the same transformer it will work. I may or may not have "shared" internet with the neighbors for a few months this way while waiting for AT&T to figure out how to actually get someone out to run my yard line instead of just scheduling it and never showing up.
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