fake craftsman wrenches
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Bubba Fett
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If the buyer is accusing you of selling fake tools, then the burden of proof is on them.
These look like most of the other V series wrenches I've seen and have, except it's in very good condition. 32mm isn't a common size, so I don't see much of a point in creating a fake with chrome and stamped markings. There is no profit to be made.
The buyer is either trying to scam you, or is a total idiot.
These look like most of the other V series wrenches I've seen and have, except it's in very good condition. 32mm isn't a common size, so I don't see much of a point in creating a fake with chrome and stamped markings. There is no profit to be made.
The buyer is either trying to scam you, or is a total idiot.
Craftsman Tools: Maker "V" And The Modern Era [Page 1]
Craftsman V-Series and other tools from 1945 onward.
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This is a eBay, not a court of law eBay will refund their money in a heartbeat. .
My favorite is “it arrived broken” asked for proof of pictures they look like they smashed it with a hammer
Buyer sounds like a typical scumbag
Lassen Forge
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My thought too - Your buyer is at best an idiot, and at worst a scam artist. Sure don't look fake to me, I bought my wrenches thereabouts in that era from Sears, and I even remember the salescat wrapping individual wrenches back when... and yes, my metrics were marked MM, not mm... Raised panel V's.
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PWC Repair
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I've used Ebay for over 20 years. It's worse than ever with fees and scammers trying to get stuff for free. I sell my stuff at an amount with SHIPPING figured IN......then I sell it as FREE SHIPPING. A while back I had a buyer try to get my item for free claiming not as described etc. For some reason Ebay sided with him. I said fine, just send it back and I'll issue a refund. He got all pissed and wanted his money NOW! Ebay questioned me and then told him since I shipped it to him for FREE, he would need to pay the return shipping first and ship the item back to me BEFORE I had to issue a refund......which I had no problem with. He NEVER shipped it back and Ebay deleted his negative feedback. I feel like I always have an upper hand by shipping this way.
thank you i remembered the wrapping wife remembered the rest
neophyte
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Blame typing on phones.Grammar on the internet is becoming a lost art. Blame social media!
If you use Autocorrect, you gave to deal with the wrong word routinely popping up,
If you use spell check, if you get the first letter wrong you have yo retype the whole word in many cases,
Trademark names, and foreign terms/words routinely don’t work,
And Apple at least seems to have used a relatively thin dictionary for their spell check.
Etc.
neophyte
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Sears had multiple suppliers for Craftsman raised panel wrenches over the years.
There were also changes to plating due to environmental laws, and later off shoring of production.
The wrenches from different time periods will look different.
At one point I purchased punches PB Swiss/Baumann.
All were purchased at the same time, from the same distributor.
PB had obviously made slight changes to production methods at some point because there were differences in the finish of the punches.
This is ridiculously common amongst manufacturers of industrial tools.
There were also changes to plating due to environmental laws, and later off shoring of production.
The wrenches from different time periods will look different.
At one point I purchased punches PB Swiss/Baumann.
All were purchased at the same time, from the same distributor.
PB had obviously made slight changes to production methods at some point because there were differences in the finish of the punches.
This is ridiculously common amongst manufacturers of industrial tools.
Use our brains to do any necessary corrections, before sending?
vssjim
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100 percent nos well made Craftsman branded tools from back in the day and the non buyer is a crook
woody 73
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Yes, indeed people do counterfeit tools. From fake knives to fake tools (example Winchester tools) but the odds of someone faking a cheap to begin with Craftsman hand tools is extremely low to begin with.
Craftsman sold their products by the train load there are so many out there that it does not pay to fake them, (not saying it could happen as you all well know anything is possible).
To begin with someone wants an item, in this case a tool that has a low production run, produced a long time ago, and valued by several collector groups. Take the example above tools made by Winchester, gun collectors vie for them, tool collectors want them, and the supply is just not enough to satisfy everyone.
So it can happen and it does, buyer beware.
Craftsman sold their products by the train load there are so many out there that it does not pay to fake them, (not saying it could happen as you all well know anything is possible).
To begin with someone wants an item, in this case a tool that has a low production run, produced a long time ago, and valued by several collector groups. Take the example above tools made by Winchester, gun collectors vie for them, tool collectors want them, and the supply is just not enough to satisfy everyone.
So it can happen and it does, buyer beware.
woody 73
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A person need not buy or make any steel blank for the wrench, what happens in this case (not talking about Craftsman wrenches here) is they manipulate the script, font if you will on the name itself. Kind of like changing the letters on ordinary coins to make them go from ordinary to very rare. Example going from a D mint mark to an S.
Same idea.
Same idea.
woody 73
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Example for you to look over:
www.realorrepro.com
Winchester Tools fake and forged marks; mismatched pieces
www.realorrepro.com
consti2tion
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That would be a lot of work to make a knock off Craftsman, setting up the forging and stamping. At that rate they might as well sell their own wrenches..
woody 73
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I think, (key word here) is that 99.99 percent of are GJ readers understand that it does not pay to fake Craftsman tools; but we are but a tiny drop in the pool of people that know next to nothing about hand tools.
For the most part at garage sales, people have yet to figure out A POWER TOOL, A HAND TOOL, A GARDEN TOOL apart so they shotgun it into everything.
For the most part at garage sales, people have yet to figure out A POWER TOOL, A HAND TOOL, A GARDEN TOOL apart so they shotgun it into everything.
woody 73
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If you had to fake something (non tool) take a look at this Guy.
www.nytimes.com
Louis Colavecchio, Master Counterfeiter, Is Dead at 78 (Published 2020)
A former jewelry maker, he crafted fake slot machine coins that even officials had a hard time telling from legitimate ones under a microscope.