Felo = Pure Joke!
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neophyte
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First off, are you sure the screws were phillips. There are types of cross-head screws other than phillips. The two most common alternatives are Pozidrive and JIS. Use of a phillips screwdriver in either of these two screwdriver types will usually lead to the screwdriver cam out of the screw. Pozidrive screws are supposedly far more common in goods manufactured in Europe or by European companies. Most IKEA items for instance tend to use Pozidrive screws. JIS is the common Japanese type cross-head screw. JIS screws are typically found in items manufactured in Japan or by Japanese companies such as copiers, computers, electronics, power tools, etc. There is also Supadrive, a modified Pozidrive type screw. The drivers for Supadrive and Pozidrive screws are supposedly somewhat interchangeable. Below are some images of the differences.
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nop lol i know what are pz and what are ph screws,it was PH1 screw,screwdriver was little big for them,but bit is pretty much weeeeeeeeeeak if its worn out after 2 screw...no matter if they are even pz...screw have to be worn out not the screwdriver...
Rockuf8
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Well damn, that *****.
Wera my friend, Wera.
I put the basic Kraftform Classic philips through some abuse removing over 100 screws (screws that were too tight and kept making my diamond bit and impact wrench cam out) and they held up very nicely.
Wera my friend, Wera.
I put the basic Kraftform Classic philips through some abuse removing over 100 screws (screws that were too tight and kept making my diamond bit and impact wrench cam out) and they held up very nicely.
neophyte
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Dave.R
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Something must be up, even the cheapest dollar store screws will work in wood. Something wasn't sized up right. Not a fan boy, but that doesn't seem right.
like i said i used ph2 on ph1 screw...but it should worn out a screw head not the screwdriver tip
willhollin
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How come you didn't use the PH1 driver?
My felo 400 series have dealt with 100s. They dont look like that. Wrong size. Love the screwdrivers and not a fair test. Wrong size matters a ton with screwdrivers. Phillips is designed to damage driver vs. Screw when it cams out and you started half cammed out from the get go.
Imagine the same test and the response you would get with snap on hard handle...i like both styles. My soft grips are felo 400s and hard handles are snap on black. Durability is equivalent in my mind. Screwdrivers have limited life regardless of brand. Only difference with snap on is warranty and cost. Pay more to hop on truck and have shafts replaced vs. Cheaper cost but limited warranty.
Imagine the same test and the response you would get with snap on hard handle...i like both styles. My soft grips are felo 400s and hard handles are snap on black. Durability is equivalent in my mind. Screwdrivers have limited life regardless of brand. Only difference with snap on is warranty and cost. Pay more to hop on truck and have shafts replaced vs. Cheaper cost but limited warranty.
becase Jure is a Croat, we allways do something wrong
but yes, I belive screw had to suffer a damage, not a screwdriver
i was lazy to go in my car and get it
becase Jure is a Croat, we allways do something wrong
but yes, I belive screw had to suffer a damage, not a screwdriver
That *****.. I know you were using it on the wrong screw, but i'd expect that to happen even with the correct screw in time after seeing those pics. Thats soft metal on those tips right there. I've got a bunch of different screw drivers, and none of what i'd consider the "better ones" would do that.
willhollin
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You've been on here long enough! You should have a tool collection in every room, car capable of covering all tasks!
y i should lol and i will ash95608
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You should email Felo, I bet they will send you a replacement.
decaf
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I wanna see the screw....
Monte do you think that this particular Felo is a fake?
Zrexxer
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Let me see if I'm getting this...
Because you were too lazy to go get the right tool, you knowingly and intentionally used the wrong tool that didn't fit the fastener, damaged it, and now you want to blame the tool?
Is that about right?
Because you were too lazy to go get the right tool, you knowingly and intentionally used the wrong tool that didn't fit the fastener, damaged it, and now you want to blame the tool?
Is that about right?
this ^^
I think it´s a "LUX" (maybe not
) but i guess thats why the brand name is not visible in the pic........ Might be the cheapest steel they could find to match the price point what the "LUX" owners want to pay.....Nocturnal-G
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I stopped using my Felo's often for that reason... My first PH1 screwdriver got eaten up. Through Ash's amazing customer service I had a replacement sent out. Now my set just collects dust really... Don't feel like warrantying another. I do however feel like the quality is awesome, and most likely got a dud. Guess it's a hate love thing. I just don't use them as often as they are meant to be used (Felo 550's) meaning no whacking on them with a mallet/hammer.
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Using a No. 2 Phillips screwdriver in a No. 1 Phillips screw throws a huge variable into a claim that the tip wore out prematurely. People are left with the thought of: "what if he used a No. 2 Phillips screwdriver with a No. 2 Phillips screw, would the screwdriver tip have held up better?"
Pantsfall_McFixit
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always use the right driver for the right job. I hope Felo isn't cheapening up their line. This is similar to what a few Wera users have experienced.. Most people report Felo and Wera as having hard steel. I use both Wera chiseldrivers and Wiha chiseldrivers and they work great. The screw will wear before any damage is done to the tip. With any driver screws will deposit some material on the tip, and the tip finish may wear off, but the actual steel is still there. Of course purposely camming out constantly will eventually wear the driver, which is why drivers are considered wear items.
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If this is truly a case of an inferior tool rather than misuse, I would rather be looking for a return than a replacement...what use is a driver that wears out after a few screws.
5mall5nail5
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It's weird none of my Felo look anything like that
dont have,but ill take,its felo rebranded for lux,felo name is still left from a mold.
Yetihunter
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For what it's worth, my wihas, my weras, my felos, my vitage stanleys = all cammed out
and got beat up by the right sized screw the other day. The former three all having hex shaft/bolster/striking cap. My ergotwist took to it like a candy-snatcher at a russian mob babymill. And I know I can bend the shaft on that thing with my fingernails.
Just eyballing, none of those ph #2's match each other in size and shape.
And just using common sense; I'd never expect one phillips #2 screw to match another.
The worst offenders being made in usa! :0
and got beat up by the right sized screw the other day. The former three all having hex shaft/bolster/striking cap. My ergotwist took to it like a candy-snatcher at a russian mob babymill. And I know I can bend the shaft on that thing with my fingernails.
Just eyballing, none of those ph #2's match each other in size and shape.
And just using common sense; I'd never expect one phillips #2 screw to match another.
The worst offenders being made in usa! :0
Yetihunter
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Don't even get me started on staples. BUY MEXICAN! seriously.
bcradio
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That definitely should not be happening on a screwdriver like that... especially after only 2 screws and yes even not being the right size. Check into getting a replacement or return.
I'll bet you can find a thread with someone saying they had a bad experience with just about every screwdriver brand out there. Some tips will deform, some will chip and crack. It also has a lot to do with the screw. Some screws are very hard and strong, others are weak. Finding the right size screwdriver for a particular screw is critical. That's why manufacturers make so many different sizes. Making money isn't the only reason there are so many. I know you can often 'get away' with using the wrong size but if you want to get the maximum life out of the screwdriver it helps to use the right one for the job. That being said, Felo and Wera have worked out quite well for me so far.
This part is slightly OT but...
I bought a curtain rod recently which came with some small screws. I used one of my Klein screwdrivers to drive the screws through the drywall and into the studs as I did not need/could not use the included wall anchors. Guess what? ALL of the screws snapped in half while trying to drive them in! Martha Stewart brand curtain rods are EXTREMELY low quality. Yeah, the one I picked out looks pretty good but the screws they included were garbage. The rod and brackets themselves are also not for heavy duty usage but whatever. The only other Martha Stewart product I used was some paint, which my brother actually bought for some odd reason. It was peeling off the wall a week later! Yes, I used primer under it. Long story short, if you buy one of these Martha Stewart curtain rods from Home Depot, make sure you pick up some good 2" black drywall screws. You will need them if you want a quality installation.
Oh yeah and my 10 year old Klein driver didn't take any damage
This part is slightly OT but...
I bought a curtain rod recently which came with some small screws. I used one of my Klein screwdrivers to drive the screws through the drywall and into the studs as I did not need/could not use the included wall anchors. Guess what? ALL of the screws snapped in half while trying to drive them in! Martha Stewart brand curtain rods are EXTREMELY low quality. Yeah, the one I picked out looks pretty good but the screws they included were garbage. The rod and brackets themselves are also not for heavy duty usage but whatever. The only other Martha Stewart product I used was some paint, which my brother actually bought for some odd reason. It was peeling off the wall a week later! Yes, I used primer under it. Long story short, if you buy one of these Martha Stewart curtain rods from Home Depot, make sure you pick up some good 2" black drywall screws. You will need them if you want a quality installation.
Oh yeah and my 10 year old Klein driver didn't take any damage
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sberry
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I dont even bother/worry about screwdrivers. I got a collection od aboujt 25 Kliens andf mix and match, some of the old flea mkt orange handle 20 for 15$ have lasted as well as any. Many dollar bargain box ones survived, its so hit and miss and just plain dont need a 50$ screwdriver.
sberry
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About 90 % are the same tip, different handle, different price.