Final Nail in the Craftsman Coffin.

[signcrafter]

So... capitalism is what caused this. I hate to be callous here, but i really don't see a problem. (Beyond the tax loopholes for overseas production being used for "USA" companies.) Personally, my neighbors have nothing to do with what tools i buy. (Yes, i realize you didn't literally mean my neighbors down the street. )

The problem is this, if no one in America cares to buy products made in the US then before long there will be no jobs in America. Manufacturing is going over seas, engineering is going over seas. The less made in USA products we buy the more companies move over seas. With these companies moving over seas means that more customer service jobs, engineering, etc goes over seas. When these jobs leave the US it leaves towns with high unemployment which means families can't go out for dinner, buy new living room furnature, a new car, new shoes, clothes etc. Which means that now that restaurant down the street goes out of business which means more people unemployed spending less. Which means less cars being sold until gm shuts down another US plant. Which means more families unemployed which means more people do their own car repairs or skip them all together. Which means more mechanics out of a job. Which means well you get the point.

With craftsman not buying tools there is a US tool plant that will be laying off workers or closing all together. I'm sure craftsman was a pretty big contract for them.

All this trickles down hill and will affect everyone in one way or another. My "neighbors" don't influence what tools I buy either. But when I have a choice between a US made craftsman socket and a over seas made import for around the same price and quality I would pick the US made socket, even if it meant paying a little more.

I know it doesn't seem like one person not caring about where a tool is made would make a big deal but when the large group of Americans don't care where there stuff comes from and only want the cheapest price point then the country will continue to slide down hill. It doesn't really matter what you do for a living, it will be impacted somehow if the majority of Americans don't care if they buy imports over US made items.

 

[Link-Belt]

I am not unguilty of having forgein tools but pay for them I did not all gifts. I am still torn even having them. I have recently told my family no more overseas tools as gifts.

 

[otis66]

saving jobs is great,,how many jobs do you think we save if sears finally does fail
many more thousands of people than any one factory has

why does no one seem to care about sears workers?

I have not been to SEARS in 3 years. I used to buy Craftsman tools from SEARS. I only buy Craftsman USA tools. The only reason I ever went to SEARs was for Craftsman tools. The last tool I bought from SEARS was a 15" USA made adjustable wrench. I bought this wrench because I saw everything was starting to be made in China and I wanted a USA adjustable wrench. There is no longer a reason for me to go to SEARS unless I get a GearWrench Tool warrantied. If I have to buy tools made in China/Tiawan the will say GearWrench NOT Craftsman.

 

[signcrafter]

I preffer to buy U.S. made but not at 7 to 10 times the cost of an item. I also would not pay $100 for 3/8 ratchet made in China either. If a ratchet is made in taiwan and is well made for $20 to $30 I will chose it over the $100 one from Snap On or Matco.

This is where craftsman filled the void. The made a decent tool in the US at a very decent price. Far from the quality and price of snap on but a step above most imports for around the same price. Now they are just another import brand competing with everyone else.

 

[bobbar]

I laugh at the people who says ill only go to sears and buy the usa made stuff because its made in american.
It WAS made. Not anymore. That plant is was made at is probably closed.
When you go and check out at sears the barcodes the same. Sears isnt keeping score on who bought a usa vs foreign. Just that the sale was made.
You are just as bad as sears, only looking out for your best interest. Whether that means you getting a usa marked tool or sears making a profit.
I bet the only reason they are still selling usa is because thats whats in inventory. Im sure sears has a ship of china sockets, rp and everything else just sitting at a dock somewhere....

Im all for buying usa.

 

[Link-Belt]

Buy USA and help your country, help your neighbor, and hep improve the way of life in America. Please teach your children classic American Pride and values so that if in some way our country finds it's.way out of this mess they won't have to go through this ever again.

 

[concealer404]

The problem is this, if no one in America cares to buy products made in the US then before long there will be no jobs in America. Manufacturing is going over seas, engineering is going over seas. The less made in USA products we buy the more companies move over seas.

Not the point, though... I will not buy an inferior product for my money, no matter where it's made. You aren't coming out and saying it, but it's been said in this thread that we should have bought Craftsman when they were USA made to help out American families.

If people want us to buy things made in the US, then things in the US have to be relevant BOTH in quality and price. There isn't much out there that exists that satisfy both requirements.

With these companies moving over seas means that more customer service jobs, engineering, etc goes over seas. When these jobs leave the US it leaves towns with high unemployment which means families can't go out for dinner, buy new living room furnature, a new car, new shoes, clothes etc. Which means that now that restaurant down the street goes out of business which means more people unemployed spending less. Which means less cars being sold until gm shuts down another US plant. Which means more families unemployed which means more people do their own car repairs or skip them all together. Which means more mechanics out of a job. Which means well you get the point.

The elephant in the room is that it's cheaper to produce overseas because of tax loopholes. Cheaper cost to make things = lower price to sell them = more things sold = bigger market segment.

Do not blame the consumer for not buying US. Blame the people that made it financially stupid to base all of a company in the US.

With craftsman not buying tools there is a US tool plant that will be laying off workers or closing all together. I'm sure craftsman was a pretty big contract for them.

Again, not the consumer's fault.

All this trickles down hill and will affect everyone in one way or another. My "neighbors" don't influence what tools I buy either. But when I have a choice between a US made craftsman socket and a over seas made import for around the same price and quality I would pick the US made socket, even if it meant paying a little more.

Agreed, but i'm not going to pay much more, if at all. The problem is that there isn't often truly the same quality for the same price. The sad truth is that i have a LOT of USA made Craftsman tools. I've pretty much bought nothing but imported tools since i joined this forum, and they've been cheaper AND better quality than the Craftsman stuff i own.

I know it doesn't seem like one person not caring about where a tool is made would make a big deal but when the large group of Americans don't care where there stuff comes from and only want the cheapest price point then the country will continue to slide down hill. It doesn't really matter what you do for a living, it will be impacted somehow if the majority of Americans don't care if they buy imports over US made items.

WHERE it comes from shouldn't matter... it's about getting the best tool for your money, period. The best product for your money. It's the year 2012, it's no longer "US vs. The Rest Of The World." It truly is a "global economy," much as i hate that catch phrase.


I see what you're saying, but that ship sailed YEARS ago. The late USA Craftsman stuff sucked. Where it was made had nothing to do with it.

 

[concealer404]

Do you buy tools made over seas? If not then nothing, if so you have taken money from your fellow Americans pocket.

Oh give me a break.

"My fellow American" wanted Health Care Reform, something that is moving MY job overseas.

I buy the best tools i can afford. If they aren't made in the USA, sorry, too bad.

You previously said that you wouldn't try to guilt trip me into buying USA tools. Look what you just did. That's the only point you and a couple other people are making here. "Buy this mediocre-ly priced mediocre tool so your neighbor can eat!"

 

[otis66]

Not the point, though... I will not buy an inferior product for my money, no matter where it's made. You aren't coming out and saying it, but it's been said in this thread that we should have bought Craftsman when they were USA made to help out American families.

If people want us to buy things made in the US, then things in the US have to be relevant BOTH in quality and price. There isn't much out there that exists that satisfy both requirements.





The elephant in the room is that it's cheaper to produce overseas because of tax loopholes. Cheaper cost to make things = lower price to sell them = more things sold = bigger market segment.

Do not blame the consumer for not buying US. Blame the people that made it financially stupid to base all of a company in the US.



Again, not the consumer's fault.



Agreed, but i'm not going to pay much more, if at all. The problem is that there isn't often truly the same quality for the same price. The sad truth is that i have a LOT of USA made Craftsman tools. I've pretty much bought nothing but imported tools since i joined this forum, and they've been cheaper AND better quality than the Craftsman stuff i own.



WHERE it comes from shouldn't matter... it's about getting the best tool for your money, period. The best product for your money. It's the year 2012, it's no longer "US vs. The Rest Of The World." It truly is a "global economy," much as i hate that catch phrase.


I see what you're saying, but that ship sailed YEARS ago. The late USA Craftsman stuff sucked. Where it was made had nothing to do with it.

All of my USA made Craftsman tools do no ****. They are great Tools. I use them everyday.

 

[concealer404]

Pretty much what I've been posting about for the last few hours.

Then i missed the memo. In our exchanges, i was talking about Craftsman.

I still buy a LOT of tools from Sears. Just no Craftsman. So.... am i "part of the problem?"

 

[concealer404]

All of my USA made Craftsman tools do no ****. They are great Tools. I use them everyday.

I'm young, unfortunately. I doubt any of my Craftman USA tools are older than a decade. I've used older stuff that i found pretty great, i have to admit. But again, we aren't talking about Craftsman from 20 years ago. The majority of this forum will agree that quality started going downhill LONG before Chinese Craftsman tools became the norm, rather than the exception.

I WILL say that my sockets have held up pretty well, at least.

 

[otis66]

SEARS does not make anything. SEARS could Bring in SK tools to make ther Craftsman tools. F** SEARS. I can get my Tools from my local Tool supply company. I've been doing this for the past few years. SK Wright both made in the USA.

 

[concealer404]

SEARS does not make anything. SEARS could Bring in SK tools to make ther Craftsman tools. F** SEARS. I can get my Tools from my local Tool supply company. I've been doing this for the past few years. SK Wright both made in the USA.

The issue here is that Sears employs more Americans than Craftsman ever did.

 

[signcrafter]

WHERE it comes from shouldn't matter... it's about getting the best tool for your money, period. The best product for your money. It's the year 2012, it's no longer "US vs. The Rest Of The World." It truly is a "global economy," much as i hate that catch phrase.

"My fellow American" wanted Health Care Reform, something that is moving MY job overseas.

I would feel sorry that your job is going over seas. But since you don't care about anyone else's job going over seas I guess I shouldn't care about yours. Why should we care where our health care comes from? So what if your job goes over seas. I just want the cheapest health care. This is what you said about tools. It's the same thing.

I see what you're saying and craftsman was slipping on some quality but your post backs up what I was saying. If this keeps up where it's a "global economy" and nobody cares about buying American and keeping jobs here then this country is only going to get rougher.

A lot of companies are seeing the light and bringing manufacturing and other jobs back to the US. Hopefully more people will start caring about the side affects of not buying American and more companies will bring back more jobs to the US. If people only care about price then more and more jobs will be leaving and our country will keep going downhill.

 

[TwoInch]

dunno if its coincidence or directly related, but menards masteforce sockets, ratchets, raised panel wrenches, sockets, adapters, etc... which are all danaher made, and the same tools as their craftsman brothers, just stamped "Masterforce" and until recent were ALLEN brand tools, are all being discounted and wiped from the shelves.

im going to assume that they are in the process of switching to the new danaher china stuff as well.

is danaher taking all production of hardline stuff to china/taiwan? i was hoping the masterforce was going to stay USA, along with the industrial craftsman line, but this may be a pipe dream. i wouldnt doubt that the industrial stuff is sourced out also soon.

 

[otis66]

I would feel sorry that your job is going over seas. But since you don't care about anyone else's job going over seas I guess I shouldn't care about yours. Why should we care where our health care comes from? So what if your job goes over seas. I just want the cheapest health care. This is what you said about tools. It's the same thing.

I see what you're saying and craftsman was slipping on some quality but your post backs up what I was saying. If this keeps up where it's a "global economy" and nobody cares about buying American and keeping jobs here then this country is only going to get rougher.

A lot of companies are seeing the light and bringing manufacturing and other jobs back to the US. Hopefully more people will start caring about the side affects of not buying American and more companies will bring back more jobs to the US. If people only care about price then more and more jobs will be leaving and our country will keep going downhill.

This will be too late for SEARS

 

[signcrafter]

The issue here is that Sears employs more Americans than Craftsman ever did.

Craftsman is only a brand. They rebadge other makers tools. Danaher tools was one of their main tool makers. So craftsman isn't losing any jobs over this. The factories that made tools for craftsman are going to be losing the jobs.

 

[HandyManny]

Do you buy tools made over seas? If not then nothing, if so you have taken money from your fellow Americans pocket.

Do you really think so? Especially in a time when so many manufacturing companies here are employing a lot of foreign labor.

 

[HandyManny]

Please teach your children classic American Pride and values so that if in some way our country finds it's.way out of this mess they won't have to go through this ever again.

I fully agree with this part of your statement. This is needed today more than any other time in recent years.

 

[Link-Belt]

I fully agree with this part of your statement. This is needed today more than any other time in recent years.

Thank you sir.

 

[BHH]

The only thing I want to know was the final nail made in the USA?

 

[Link-Belt]

The only thing I want to know was the final nail made in the USA?

Nice!

 

[otis66]

I'm young, unfortunately. I doubt any of my Craftman USA tools are older than a decade. I've used older stuff that i found pretty great, i have to admit. But again, we aren't talking about Craftsman from 20 years ago. The majority of this forum will agree that quality started going downhill LONG before Chinese Craftsman tools became the norm, rather than the exception.

I WILL say that my sockets have held up pretty well, at least.

It's the same Global Corporation making the Craftsman tools. Apex/Danaher USA Apex/Danaher China. SEARS started going down hill when K-Mart took over. The last tool set I bought from SEARS was six years ago, a 179c set that I use as my road call box. All USA tools.

 

[NC-Fordguy]

The last info I read on sears internal intranet was that tool sets were going to still be made in usa. There was no mention of as they call it "asian" extensions sockets, rp wrenches being sourced from overseas.

Can anyone confirm with a photo that the sets are now being sourced from overseas??

If it does come to this, I'm not sure how I feel about it.

Lowes, home depot, autozone long abandoned usa made stuff.

The options for Sears as I see it, was/is to source overseas as their rivals do, or to raise prices to maintain usa made items.

Seeing how 99% of consumers shop via price I think Sears is doing what it has to.

I just bought a set of S&K long pattern six point wrenches. I've been wanting a set of 6 point long reach wrenches and finally pulled the trigger. Retail price on this is over $300.00--mail order price just a hair under $200.00

I wonder how succesful of a business model it would be for sears to maintain made in the usa and charge these kinds of prices. How many consumers are really going to pay a 100 to 200 percent premium on this kind of item?

Quite often I see folks on their iphones and droids price shopping at a store, comparing who has the item at what price. The lowest price nearly always wins out.

It was a good feeling knowing if I ever broke a crafty hand tools a made in the USA replacement was available just a few miles away. I'm not sure how I feel about it being replaced with overseas sources.

I guess I'm fortunate that I have triples and quadrouples of crafty tools so I'm pretty much set replacement wise. It is sad that future generations may not get to experience a quality USA made hand tool at a reasonable price

 

[otis66]

The issue here is that Sears employs more Americans than Craftsman ever did.

My issue is... The only thing I ever bought from SEARS were Craftsman Tools. Craftsman Tools was the only thing SEARS had that was worth while and SEARS f** it all up. I used to buy my work boots at SEARS when they were made in the USA. When the boots started coming from China I went someplace else to buy my boots. Now RedWing boots are made in China...guess what....I stop buying Redwing boots. There are NO non USA made Craftsman tools in my box and there never will be. I buy SK now. Or if I have to buy China it will be GearWrench made by Danaher/Apex.

 

[PRH44]

Where do you plan on getting the cheap labor to make these tools reasonably priced?

Not a rant just a few facts, you can check them out yourself. I am guilty as the next guy. I have purchases Asian goods

Abusive slave labor with nearly no compensation is not the only thing that makes production cheap. Its partly putting life at risk in the plant with no one holding you responsible.

Its the release of toxic chemicals into the air and drinking water sources at there back door. Hexavalent chromium is the most toxic form of chromium. It is used on most tools and can not be released into the the water ways here in the states. Most Asian Industries are not required to wet scrub the Hexavalent chromium and the ones that do process lead chromates, barium sulfate, and other byproducts using insufficient practices.

So the next time you buy Asian fish you might want to think twice. It wont be long before that **** makes its way here.

We best enjoy that Asian ratchet/phone/Ipad/ etc at the right price because we are paying for it with our children's lives.

 

[BrokewrenchLS1]

Seeing how 99% of consumers shop via price I think Sears is doing what it has to.

That's about exactly what it is. Most people now who walk into a Sears to buy a tool aren't going to be too worried about who made it, or where it's made, or what the warranty is like. They're worried about the price, and if they can walk out of the store with what they need that day. Silly things like warranties, build quality, and reviews are for expensive things like TVs and computers, not something as banal as tools.

Sears is doing what they're doing because the consumer dictates it. If anyone wants to be pissed off at Sears because Craftsman has a bunch of Chinese tools now, they should be pissed off at American culture instead.

 

[bcradio]

Craftsman is only a brand. They rebadge other makers tools. Danaher tools was one of their main tool makers. So craftsman isn't losing any jobs over this. The factories that made tools for craftsman are going to be losing the jobs.

Technically they do employ the factory workers via that contract with them. They may/may not have other contracts but nevertheless it is what pays their salaries.

 

[TwoInch]

That's about exactly what it is. Most people now who walk into a Sears to buy a tool aren't going to be too worried about who made it, or where it's made, or what the warranty is like. They're worried about the price, and if they can walk out of the store with what they need that day. Silly things like warranties, build quality, and reviews are for expensive things like TVs and computers, not something as banal as tools.

Sears is doing what they're doing because the consumer dictates it. If anyone wants to be pissed off at Sears because Craftsman has a bunch of Chinese tools now, they should be pissed off at American culture instead.

why not continure offering two levels of price and quality, as they have been doing? they have low price/quality china evolve stuff, why not expand that a tad to cover more market, and keep the middle level, decent quality stuff where its at, instead of making all of it china, and pricing them differently. if people arent buying the tools now, they arent going to start buying them now that they are chinese, but the same price...

 

[concealer404]

It's the same Global Corporation making the Craftsman tools. Apex/Danaher USA Apex/Danaher China. SEARS started going down hill when K-Mart took over. The last tool set I bought from SEARS was six years ago, a 179c set that I use as my road call box. All USA tools.

Right, but that's not the point i was making... i'm saying that the quality started going down BEFORE it went to China. 80s USA Cman > 00s USA Cman.


Here: http://www.sonic.net/~alexz/Ratchet shootout.pdf

Skip to page 5.

I've had at least 5 of those damn KOZ ratchets and broken every last one of them BY HAND, no cheater bars required.

 

[concealer404]

I would feel sorry that your job is going over seas. But since you don't care about anyone else's job going over seas I guess I shouldn't care about yours. Why should we care where our health care comes from? So what if your job goes over seas. I just want the cheapest health care. This is what you said about tools. It's the same thing.

I walked into that one.

Here's where i tell you that i don't work in Health Care, and that the reason my job is going overseas is actually in response to a government mandate, NOT because my employer would normally do such a thing.


This brings me back to the point i made earlier about one of the big reasons you see all this stuff being sent overseas is because US Corporate Taxes **** when compared to the rest of the world.

The biggest difference was that we were already offering a competitive product at a competitive price, and you did NOT even have an "overseas option" per se.


But really in the end, i'm not worried about it. I can get another job, and i'll continue buying the tools i need that best suite my budget/quality requirements.


It's not about whether or not i care, it's about getting the best bang for my buck. As i've said before, i'm not going to buy an inferior product for an inferior price under any circumstances, guilt trips be damned. I don't expect anyone to buy from my employer just because i'm a warm being that lives in the US, don't expect it from me.

 

[earlthegoat2]

I know... seriously! Now they have to learn a new skill and get a new job. Oh the horror.

I still feel bad for the old cart and buggy makers that got put out of business with the advent of the automobile... the travesty.

Uhhh, they started making cars because US production of carriages shifted to US production of cars. Not US production of tools shifted to Asian production of tools. There is a geographic element there. The job ended for the US worker and nothing in the US took its place.

 

[BrokewrenchLS1]

why not continure offering two levels of price and quality, as they have been doing? they have low price/quality china evolve stuff, why not expand that a tad to cover more market, and keep the middle level, decent quality stuff where its at, instead of making all of it china, and pricing them differently. if people arent buying the tools now, they arent going to start buying them now that they are chinese, but the same price...

I think that would be a good market strategy, but I don't know if the company has enough money at this point to be able to pull it off. They need to do a major restructuring - with their web sales as one of the primary points of reform - to get back to being competitive with stores like Lowes, Target, and Kohls.

Having a solid core line of US-made tools that sits on the ladder between high-quality imports like Gearwrench, but below domestic tools like SK and Wright, would be a market chunk that serious weekend wrenchers could fit right into. They're not going to pay Snap-on pricing because they don't need a weekly tool truck visit or access to a tool credit line, but they need tools dependable enough to be able to work on the project car they've got in the garage. Hell, even if Craftsman came back with US-made stuff at the same quality as Gearwrench, I think a lot of people would buy it simply because it was made in the US. Keeping the Evolv line would maintain tools in the "budget" section of the market, too.

 

[concealer404]

Concelar404,Are you sure your not one of Sam Walton's kids?

If you're going to resort to stupid personal attacks, may I suggest you learn to use the "ctrl-c" and "ctrl-v" commands so I can be sure as to whether or not you're addressing me? My name is right there in front of you on the screen exactly as I entered it into the website.


Reported, again. If you don't like what I post and aren't capable of responding in an intelligent manner, then don't.

 

[concealer404]

Craftsman is only a brand. They rebadge other makers tools. Danaher tools was one of their main tool makers. So craftsman isn't losing any jobs over this. The factories that made tools for craftsman are going to be losing the jobs.

Touche.

Same point applies, but we'll use the factory workers that supplied Craftsman.

I buy Gearwrench through Sears most often. Supporting America. I COULD buy my tools through Ebay from European suppliers.

 

[concealer404]

Do you really think so? Especially in a time when so many manufacturing companies here are employing a lot of foreign labor.

And... parts.

Chevy Trucks: Made in Mexico from the finest Chinese components.

Support your fellow American! Buy a Chevy Truck!

I'm fairly certain the same person that labeled me as guilty of treason in this thread would flip his **** if i bought a Toyota Camry.

 

[NC-Fordguy]

why not continure offering two levels of price and quality, as they have been doing? they have low price/quality china evolve stuff, why not expand that a tad to cover more market, and keep the middle level, decent quality stuff where its at, instead of making all of it china, and pricing them differently. if people arent buying the tools now, they arent going to start buying them now that they are chinese, but the same price...

That's a well thought out point.

I do wonder though is if it is cost effective. If 99 percent of consumers who buy tools only care about the price, Is that 1 percent market sufficient to stock the usa made tool?

Something else that seems to be insinuated here on this forum.

That is tools made over seas (especially china) are automatically junk.

This has not been my experience. It seems to be more of a hit and miss thing than anything else. I have some overseas made tools and some have performed well and others are indeed junk.

I recently bent a harbor freight extra long handle wrench breaking loose a drag link off a jeep wrangler. I weigh about 230 pounds and I put all I had into getting this nut to break loose. I'm not really surprised that I did bend it. The wrench is not unusable it's more of an ocd thing that I have a bent wrench. Anyway I got a replacement from harbor freight. For the 20 or so dollars the set originally costs I'm not complaining

So I started shopping around for something that might be better. I found a set from Armstrong for about 200 dollars street price and looked at snappy. The snappy set will cost over 600 dollars.

So I sit here and wonder..Is the 200 dollar set or even the 600 dollars set impervious to me bending one of those

 

[concealer404]

That's a well thought out point.

I do wonder though is if it is cost effective. If 99 percent of consumers who buy tools only care about the price, Is that 1 percent market sufficient to stock the usa made tool?

Something else that seems to be insinuated here on this forum.

That is tools made over seas (especially china) are automatically junk.

This has not been my experience. It seems to be more of a hit and miss thing than anything else. I have some overseas made tools and some have performed well and others are indeed junk.

I recently bent a harbor freight extra long handle wrench breaking loose a drag link off a jeep wrangler. I weigh about 230 pounds and I put all I had into getting this nut to break loose. I'm not really surprised that I did bend it. The wrench is not unusable it's more of an ocd thing that I have a bent wrench. Anyway I got a replacement from harbor freight. For the 20 or so dollars the set originally costs I'm not complaining

So I started shopping around for something that might be better. I found a set from Armstrong for about 200 dollars street price and looked at snappy. The snappy set will cost over 600 dollars.

So I sit here and wonder..Is the 200 dollar set or even the 600 dollars set impervious to me bending one of those

I think 90% of the people in this thread realize that good tools from from all over the world. What's being said in this thread though is that you're a bad American if you don't buy American. I really don't want to think that there's anyone in here close-minded enough to think that if something isn't made in the US, it's a POS.

 

[bcradio]

Uhhh, they started making cars because US production of carriages shifted to US production of cars. Not US production of tools shifted to Asian production of tools. There is a geographic element there. The job ended for the US worker and nothing in the US took its place.

Like I said in another post... manufacturing is not the only type of job in the world. Uhhhhh, guess you missed some reading somewhere in there, but let me enlighten. I wasn't referring to the fact that jobs did/didn't go overseas. I was just saying that job loss happens... it *****, but if someone else can do your job better/faster/cheaper, then you should be doing something else in life. I believe everyone should always strive to reach their full potential in their careers

 

[Link-Belt]

And... parts.

Chevy Trucks: Made in Mexico from the finest Chinese components.

Support your fellow American! Buy a Chevy Truck!

I'm fairly certain the same person that labeled me as guilty of treason in this thread would flip his **** if i bought a Toyota Camry.

Buy what you want. I stated in that same post you have the right to look out for yourself. The treason part comes from your own statements of not really giving thought to or caring about the quality of life your fellow countryman has.