Fireball tests Dragging a File

[American Locomotive]

I didn't say I don't appreciate his thoroughness. It's not just necessary to document every piece of that "thoroughness" and present it at a snail's pace.

What it comes down to is that I'm interested in the results of this test. I am not particularly interested in the fabrication for the setup - that eliminates the entire first video being of interest to me. But some people like seeing that fab work, so whatever (although it's annoying they're two separate videos released days apart. That's clickbaity). The second video spends about 3-4 more minutes of test-setup building. Then there's some unnecessary slow-mo show, and then a full minute of unnecessary montage of set to music. Then he sits there for the next 10 minutes reading the charts/results that he's displaying on the video anyways.

There's easily 5+ minutes that could have been chopped off that video without materially losing anything of importance. Give me a quick overview of the complete test setup, tell me how it works, the rationale, and then put the end results up in a big chart that I can I pause the video on and take it all in at once. Then maybe talk about some interesting points or problems you encountered. Don't sit there and read the charts and data to me like a 6 year old in 1st grade.

I like fireball tool, he does good work, and has a lot of excellent fabrication videos. I just don't feel like watching 25+ minutes of video that quite frankly puts me to sleep with its pacing and content, when a simple "It turns out back dragging the file makes no difference at all!" would suffice.

 

[gatewaysysop]

You guys would probably be the first two arguing with his conclusions if he'd made shorter stuff while the rest of us appreciate his thoroughness, skill and details.

Sheesh...

At least we're not the ones tossing out baseless hypotheticals about other forum members for simply having a differing opinion about a video on YouTube.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Can you just tell me so I don't have to watch 30 minutes of video for 1 minute of actual information?

But then you don't lurn nuthin.

 

[slowtwitch73]

I think you may be confused as to what clickbait is.

Well, someone's confused what clickbait is.. I'll give you that.

 

[General Geoff]

I like fireball tool, he does good work, and has a lot of excellent fabrication videos. I just don't feel like watching 25+ minutes of video that quite frankly puts me to sleep with its pacing and content, when a simple "It turns out back dragging the file makes no difference at all!" would suffice.

Proof that you really can't please everyone

 

[budget76]

I didn't say I don't appreciate his thoroughness. It's not just necessary to document every piece of that "thoroughness" and present it at a snail's pace.

What it comes down to is that I'm interested in the results of this test. I am not particularly interested in the fabrication for the setup - that eliminates the entire first video being of interest to me. But some people like seeing that fab work, so whatever (although it's annoying they're two separate videos released days apart. That's clickbaity). The second video spends about 3-4 more minutes of test-setup building. Then there's some unnecessary slow-mo show, and then a full minute of unnecessary montage of set to music. Then he sits there for the next 10 minutes reading the charts/results that he's displaying on the video anyways.

There's easily 5+ minutes that could have been chopped off that video without materially losing anything of importance. Give me a quick overview of the complete test setup, tell me how it works, the rationale, and then put the end results up in a big chart that I can I pause the video on and take it all in at once. Then maybe talk about some interesting points or problems you encountered. Don't sit there and read the charts and data to me like a 6 year old in 1st grade.

I like fireball tool, he does good work, and has a lot of excellent fabrication videos. I just don't feel like watching 25+ minutes of video that quite frankly puts me to sleep with its pacing and content, when a simple "It turns out back dragging the file makes no difference at all!" would suffice.

then his videos aren't for you, and apparently you want to be told the answer without proof. He spent several days of work, converted it into 40 minutes, and you complain it's too long. If he posts only the results he gets no views, and every joe blow says he's full of BS and he's wrong. If you're not interested in the fab of the setup don't watch, but 450,000 people think it's interesting. and the title of video 1 has NO mention of testing, it's titled "built this machine". Remember he makes at least a good side-living off these videos, so he's going to do what gets people to watch and keeps them coming back, which a video of a chart will never do.

IMO he is as concise as he can be while still thoroughly proving his research, as well as provide some entertainment value. his videos are a lot more concise than ProjectFarm, whos' videos I find myself skipping to the end on much more to just see the charts.

 

[scooby074]

My man does like 50,000 file drags all automated with 10's of thousands of dollars in machinery and instruments. 9 different tests for good reasons, to verify or dispel long standing assumptions and critiques people have just chosen to go along with and believe for decades, maybe centuries. Potentially saving people time and money.
All for the cost your click and time. As much inconvenience as would it be to flip on the TV.

"17 mins is too long"

Ya gotta love it

Just don't watch. Simple as that.
Carry on with your extremely busy life that lead you to find yourself browsing youtube or talking on message boards.

/rant

Hey TTC love your work.

People really underestimate the work it takes to make a video like that (or your own vids for that matter). There was days of work on Fireballs end. Watch or dont watch, but I personally dont think it would be right for me to bypass his video and just post his results here, the man deserves his click.

I was going to ask the complainers if their mother still chews and spoonfeeds them their dinners but why bother, these folks are obviously too busy!

 

[scooby074]

I like conciseness, and I don't like clickbait.

- The OP created a clickbaity thread without mentioning the results of the test at all. If he had mentioned what the results are, and then linked the video - that'd be one thing.
- I like conciseness. When it comes to "test reports" like this, I don't want any fluff or filler. I don't want to have to watch 10 minutes of video "results". I want the results presented in graphs with a few sentence summary that I can read/analyze in 2 minutes.

Nothing at all against Fireball. They do great work and make very thorough videos, but his editing style just doesn't work for me. He tends to draw things out for far longer than I'd like. The "content per minute" is too low for me.

Clickbatey thread? You dont even know what it means. Im not Fireball. Ive never met the man. I make no money from his videos. The description couldnt have been more clear. Im not going to regurgitate his results and post them here because that would be unfair to the time he's invested, watch or dont watch IDGAF.

I understand you must be a busy man and can't afford the 20 mins to watch his videos, or even the 20 seconds to click to the end, what with 6720 forum posts in 4 years and all. I don't know how you find the time.

 

[American Locomotive]

It's amazing how personally invested people get into a YouTube creator. You give them a small critique, and these people with absolutely no relation to that creator act like you personally insulted their own mother. Good grief guys. People are allowed to have opinions about things! I never said I was "too busy" to watch his videos. I simply said his videos are far too verbose to me, and could be far shorter while still presenting relevant information INCLUDING testing methodology.

I prefer short, concise and to the point. For the type of information here, I actually much prefer written articles.

I was going to ask the complainers if their mother still chews and spoonfeeds them their dinners but why bother, these folks are obviously too busy!

Oh the irony. Saying I prefer a quick concise overview of the test-setup, and a big chart for me to look at and digest myself is apparently wanting to be "spoonfeed"? But listening to Fireball Tool reciting information from simple charts, very slowly, over a 10 minute period in a video isn't being "spoonfed"?

Clickbatey thread? You dont even know what it means.

Your title: Fireball Tool tests dragging a file!
First post in this thread: A video that does not show files being tested

It's simple. Fireball Tool's video style isn't for me. I asked if anyone had the results without me needing to watch videos from a creator I find boring to watch. That simple. It's an opinion I'm allowed to have, and a question I'm allowed to ask.

 

[rlitman]

...For the type of information here, I actually much prefer written articles...

Agreed. TTC's doing good work too (as is Fireball, so I don't want to come off negative here), but for ME, I find watching that sort of content painful. It's all fun doing the labwork yourself, but when you're interested in the numbers and perhaps a 5 second clip of the equipment, anything more than that just grinds my gears. And no, fast-forwarding is NOT the same thing as skimming down a report. Skimming through a paper, I'll be consciously reading one line as well as subconsciously reading several lines beneath that at the same time to pick out the juicy bits that I can concentrate on.

However, if you were that cousin who enjoyed your great-aunt's endless slide shows about vacations to boring places, then this sort of content may be perfect for you.

 

[nadogail]

File like your shop teacher showed you, and card your files frequently.

 

[M635_Guy]

It's amazing how personally invested people get into a YouTube creator. You give them a small critique, and these people with absolutely no relation to that creator act like you personally insulted their own mother. Good grief guys. People are allowed to have opinions about things! I never said I was "too busy" to watch his videos. I simply said his videos are far too verbose to me, and could be far shorter while still presenting relevant information INCLUDING testing methodology.

I prefer short, concise and to the point. For the type of information here, I actually much prefer written articles.

Oh the irony. Saying I prefer a quick concise overview of the test-setup, and a big chart for me to look at and digest myself is apparently wanting to be "spoonfeed"? But listening to Fireball Tool reciting information from simple charts, very slowly, over a 10 minute period in a video isn't being "spoonfed"?

Your title: Fireball Tool tests dragging a file!
First post in this thread: A video that does not show files being tested

It's simple. Fireball Tool's video style isn't for me. I asked if anyone had the results without me needing to watch videos from a creator I find boring to watch. That simple. It's an opinion I'm allowed to have, and a question I'm allowed to ask.

You can have your opinion. I can have mine.

I think yours leads to a dull and uninteresting world . What was presented was clearly a fraction of the actual work needed, and as I said earlier eliminates a bunch of peanut gallery internet guys from punching holes in the work from the sidelines because they don't know better, or think they do know better because they aren't seeing the detail.

If you knew anything about YouTube, you'd understand that longer/more detailed content like that is generally somewhat penalized since it doesn't have a high percentage of complete views. He doesn't care - he's presenting his work. But expecting him to write it up is - a tiny number of people would see it and there's zero return for him on that. If he's not presenting in your preferred format, medium and pace, then click away.

 

[ejot]

Always enjoy watching this guy's approach to design, problem solving, analysis.

The back dragging absolutely annihilated the fine file with 60psi driving the pneumatic actuator.
Would be interesting to repeat the test at lighter pressure with back drag. Get a better idea where significant damage really starts on the finest files, and after how long.

I tend to back drag lightly regardless of file coarseness. Don't think this will change my technique. Nice videos.

 

[Benito]

Pretty simple solution to painfully in-depth videos, don't watch them and move on. Doesn't make sense to have strongly held opinions about that.

And the answer as to why someone doesn't spend thousands of dollars of their own money to build and test tools and equipment, and days of their time, then type if all up for you with graphs in article form somewhere like here for you skim is because simply they aren't your employee or your mom.

It's the same reason text books aren't just a 1 page with answers. You gotta either do the work yourself to learn it or spend some of those minutes watching someone else do it from a computer chair, painfully I guess.

 

[American Locomotive]

If you knew anything about YouTube, you'd understand that longer/more detailed content like that is generally somewhat penalized since it doesn't have a high percentage of complete views.

No need for the personal attack. I've been a YouTube member for 16 years, and a YouTube partner for 15. I'm well aware of how Google's revenue sharing program works, and I am well aware it favors videos with "high engagement" metrics. So I understand if you want those high engagement metrics, you have to force people to sit through the whole video by slowly spoon feeding them the information they came to the video for.

I don't like that style of editing and content - which is why I don't subscribe to or support creators that do.

Pretty simple solution to painfully in-depth videos, don't watch them and move on.

There's nothing wrong with in-depth videos. His second video wasn't 17 minutes of jam-packed content (which I would have watched). It was literally 10 minutes of him reading results, and him saying largely the same things over and over again. Rlitman hit the nail on the head perfectly. It's just dull having someone read you test results.

It's the same reason text books aren't just a 1 page with answers. You gotta either do the work yourself to learn it or spend some of those minutes watching someone else do it from a computer chair, painfully I guess.

This isn't an educational course teaching about the science behind files. It's a "lets' test this out and see what happens" video. Plus, high level research papers (journal articles, etc..) are typically extremely concise with detailed charts and figures. I enjoy reading scientific journal articles and looking at the figures. I don't enjoy having a scientific journal article's charts and graphs read to me

 

[M635_Guy]

No need for the personal attack. I've been a YouTube member for 16 years, and a YouTube partner for 15. I'm well aware of how Google's revenue sharing program works, and I am well aware it favors videos with "high engagement" metrics. So I understand if you want those high engagement metrics, you have to force people to sit through the whole video by slowly spoon feeding them the information they came to the video for.

You've got it backwards - the algorithm does not favor long, "spoon-feeding" () videos, precisely because they don't generate high engagement. His engagement score probably ***** because he's spending the time to lay it all out, and that's not a recipe for a lot of people.

I don't like that style of editing and content - which is why I don't subscribe to or support creators that do.

That's fine. It's not about you. I don't inherently have any problem with that opinion.

There's nothing wrong with in-depth videos. His second video wasn't 17 minutes of jam-packed content (which I would have watched). It was literally 10 minutes of him reading results, and him saying largely the same things over and over again. Rlitman hit the nail on the head perfectly. It's just dull having someone read you test results.
This isn't an educational course teaching about the science behind files. It's a "lets' test this out and see what happens" video. Plus, high level research papers (journal articles, etc..) are typically extremely concise with detailed charts and figures. I enjoy reading scientific journal articles and looking at the figures. I don't enjoy having a scientific journal article's charts and graphs read to me

I'm sorry to hear that you don't enjoy it. Jeebus. This is assumption on my part, but I think he's doing it so he doesn't have to do a recon-by-fire approach to all the BS commentary YouTube is famous for. I'll definitely grant you that being thorough and citing sources in that way doesn't make for great narrative, but it sure cuts down on the keyboard warriors.

On the whole, Fireball does a lot more great stuff than bad stuff. If you have a platform on YouTube, summarize it for people like you. He'd probably have no issue with that.

 

[Nick Danger]

No need for the personal attack. I've been a YouTube member for 16 years, and a YouTube partner for 15. I'm well aware of how Google's revenue sharing program works, and I am well aware it favors videos with "high engagement" metrics. So I understand if you want those high engagement metrics, you have to force people to sit through the whole video by slowly spoon feeding them the information they came to the video for.

I don't like that style of editing and content - which is why I don't subscribe to or support creators that do.

There's nothing wrong with in-depth videos. His second video wasn't 17 minutes of jam-packed content (which I would have watched). It was literally 10 minutes of him reading results, and him saying largely the same things over and over again. Rlitman hit the nail on the head perfectly. It's just dull having someone read you test results.
This isn't an educational course teaching about the science behind files. It's a "lets' test this out and see what happens" video. Plus, high level research papers (journal articles, etc..) are typically extremely concise with detailed charts and figures. I enjoy reading scientific journal articles and looking at the figures. I don't enjoy having a scientific journal article's charts and graphs read to me

Papers in scientific journals have a summary of results for the first paragraph. The reader who wants the details of how the experiment was designed can continue reading. Most of the time, I stop.

YouTube videos are supposed to encourage the viewer to watch the whole thing and go onto the next video, not to stop. I don't expect concision from YouTube. It's not part of their business model.

 

[KnurledNut]

 

[Bubba Fett]

"lets' test this out and see what happens"

The difference between screwing around and conducting science is documenting the results.

 

[M635_Guy]

The difference between screwing around and conducting science is documenting the results.

I love Adam Savage (heard it from him, though not his quote)

 

[littlelebowski]

This.

I understand why they do it (money) but I refuse to support 'creators' who pull this **** where they drag things out and force me to wade through half a dozen ads to get to the @#$%ing point. Splitting it up into two videos is even worse.

Those ads were completely beyond his control, he had nothing to do with them. It wasn’t long ago that our best “media and reviews” were thinly disguised ad copy posing as “articles“ in magazines (magazines you had to buy) financed by the companies and now we have true independent creators applying real ingenuity to come up with astoundingly innovative content that you don’t even have to sit through, you can fast forward through and you still complain. Wow. A quote from Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind.

 

[gatewaysysop]

Those ads were completely beyond his control, he had nothing to do with them. It wasn’t long ago that our best “media and reviews” were thinly disguised ad copy posing as “articles“ in magazines (magazines you had to buy) financed by the companies and now we have true independent creators applying real ingenuity to come up with astoundingly innovative content that you don’t even have to sit through, you can fast forward through and you still complain. Wow. A quote from Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind.

Oh yeah, because no YouTube 'creators' were ever motivated by greed, and have never taken freebies in exchange for positive/biased product reviews. What planet are you on that you think it's really that different from the print media you mentioned? The folks who spread a review series over two months of magazine articles are doing the same thing for the same reason that this guy spread things out over two videos.

And for what it's worth, I don't get your fast forwarding comment. I could always 'fast forward' through a magazine, it's called flipping the pages or not reading the obvious shilling masquerading as a review.

Honestly, it's like you were trying to call it apples to oranges and then you just held up two oranges. Not buying the argument, sorry. Agree to disagree.