For tig fans

[sberry]

Try this as fast and easy as this,, ha. It had some bracket rusted off and blew out. This probably falls into not worth it in the long run but was in a hurry and didn't have a muffler in stock.
I am not much for process but traced a 6 inch D paper on a scrap and nipped the corners with a plasma. Thin and rusty and took about 3 or 4 minutes to fool around and weld it on.

 

[dr_clyde]

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. There are applications for all the different types of welding, that's why they exist. We don't all fix rusty farm equipment all day like you. Why do you insist that we have to look at things through your lens?

 

[sanddan]

He's a hack.

Maybe very good at his job fixing farm equipment but not how I personally would do it.

To each his own I guess......

 

[Chevy-SS]

That's a workable repair job. Not pretty under there, that's for sure, but I bet it quieted down the exhaust noise...............

 

[trackwelder]

Have done that type of work sometimes to keep the operation going.
Some guys State that they can fix everything just as fast using TIG.
Not the case here just trying to keep a truck going until a replacement part can be located. Seems to me he was just showing an example. Sure you could take triple the time to fix it using another process. But is it worth it...not to me.

 

[sberry]

Sorry, I will try to be more sensitive. I actually have done the other on occasion.

 

[sberry]

He's a hack.

Maybe very good at his job fixing farm equipment but not how I personally would do it.

To each his own I guess......

I am here to learn, how would you do it?

 

[Cypherian]

Try this as fast and easy as this,, ha. It had some bracket rusted off and blew out. This probably falls into not worth it in the long run but was in a hurry and didn't have a muffler in stock. I am not much for process but traced a 6 inch D paper on a scrap and nipped the corners with a plasma. Thin and rusty and took about 3 or 4 minutes to fool around and weld it on.

Did anyone not read this part? Hey he needed it done and done for now not forever . Has no one here ever band aided something just to get by till more money, time, parts show up ? Jeez

Cypher

 

[sberry]

Trackwelder kind of hits it on the head and I am kind of crude but the main reason I badger about it is this. For those who know, well they know or can afford it. Those who don't are generally highly confused, I wouldn't have trouble picking a digital camera today but when they first came it was an issue even though I have some experience in photo.
Not an issue for those with a pocket full but for those just entering this world they want to see results and maybe return and its often hard saved money to do it.
I remember this. I didn't use a feeder till well in to 10 yrs in my career. My opinion of them isn't what it is today. My expertise is in structural ironwork, this background would have said a 600A cv for feeder or an SA200 which I got and was one of my first machines, pricey and never fully utilized and primarily due to the fact I didn't really have a mentor, got it from raving about how it was the best so I know this experience first hand.

 

[sberry]

The rate its going it may outlast the truck. The driveline works but the cab is falling apart, I remanned it a quite a while ago and it lasted about as well as it did from new.
It really had 2 holes about the size of eggs but this was a one shot fit. Cut, stuck and weld. The rest of the system fit so well I hated to mess with it.

 

[dr_clyde]

I'm not saying that what he did with the muffler was wrong. I would have done the exact same thing.

What bothers me is when members insist that their way is the end all be all. Everyone's situation is different.

 

[Ohmthis]

Man, if sberry is a hack, I don't want you to see some of my quick fixes I thought it was pretty ingenious.

 

[laser3kw]

Has no one here ever band aided something just to get by till more money, time, parts show up ? Jeez

x2
being from a rural area, sometimes you just got to.

 

[sanddan]

I am here to learn, how would you do it?

At a minimum I'd grind the rust off before welding. Only takes a min, shows pride in your work, end up with a better weld.

Why show off a job like this? Post this over on the WeldingWeb and you will get lots of feedback, wear your fireproof suit.

If this works for you, fine.

 

[sberry]

I understand dr clyde, I am on the other end of the fence, I think tig is highly over rated on the hobby type forum. Lets take the engineer here for example. He got no use for a mig but his living is made away with a highly specialized job and his cars while they are transport the nature of his work is closer to a hobby than a profession.
He is capable way beyond the avg guy asking the generic what machine question and has some training and some experience which I can see tend to taint for a better word the view of what most of this work is really like.
True with a lot of specialists, while a pipeliner might not think much of an AC/DC buzzer its probably a better pick for a guys first machine and is practical.
Same for every recent welding graduate, wants a Dialarc 250 like the one in school that was super, while this is technically correct and ok for some its really not needed, the 50A buzzer is really just as good unless a guy has some excavating equipment and really needs to run 5/32 lo hi.
Yes, that machine is a little better,,, or really bigger but it causes a lot of probems for the unleary also. Special; cords, heavy wire and service etc, not a problem for some but causes beginners all kinds of grief, hard to sell or move etc.

 

[sberry]

Its what has made the small feeder near revolutionary, the machine cost half and while its limited its capable for limited work at the same time. Got 2x the current of a 120V but puts nearly no demand on service. Great for cords and long runs and the arc quality is highly fought over, most of them today are pretty good.
We had a member here who left or went to band camp but used to imply a guy couldn't do it witout a 5K machine. Well not so, maybe a little less talented than he thinks, the user end difference between it and a DC buzzer on small electrodes is about imperceptible even by experts and any real pro that found one of these for a project at a buds house would be well satisfied with the equipment.

 

[sberry]

The only reason for most of the upgrades today is bigger rather than better with basic welder stuff, it all works good and most of the majors have weeded the losers out of the lineup.

 

[davewo]

No offense, but those welds only look 2X stronger than those on my Harbor Freight jack stands.

 

[bmxdad]

I think it's ingenious ... spent some money on power for the machine to weld it. Probably a few bills to cut it off and replace it with new. It looks like working vehicle, so why not.

If he had the spare $$ fine, but this should do till then ....

 

[csp]

What was the purpose of posting something like that on the internet? That's what I don't get. Make the fix and get the part back to work. No need to show off something like that.

 

[koditten]

If you don't know, there is no way we can explain it to you.

 

[mattdwelder]

am i the only one who noticed that its not tig welded, looks like a mig weld to me

 

[zkling]

A real farmer would have stick welded it with his buzz box.

I'm not saying that what he did with the muffler was wrong. I would have done the exact same thing.

What bothers me is when members insist that their way is the end all be all. Everyone's situation is different.

Agreed

 

[ishiboo]

At a minimum I'd grind the rust off before welding. Only takes a min, shows pride in your work, end up with a better weld.

Why show off a job like this? Post this over on the WeldingWeb and you will get lots of feedback, wear your fireproof suit.

If this works for you, fine.

Because sometimes we shoot the **** here, and showing off your farm repair and everyone having a good laugh is sometimes worth it.

sberry knows what he's doing... he didn't put it up because he needed feedback on the welding process, nor wanted people to give him props for such a great TIG job. He did it because 99/100 of us here would know what it meant

 

[bmxdad]

What was the purpose of posting something like that on the internet? That's what I don't get. Make the fix and get the part back to work. No need to show off something like that.

So why is there a "What did you do ""IN"" your garage"? Same thing, just a new topic.

 

[ssentt]

No offense, but those welds only look 2X stronger than those on my Harbor Freight jack stands.

LMAO

 

[justanengineer]

I guess I'm missing the point of this thread. I've made that exact repair quite a few times in the past, some vehicles and equipment simply isnt worth spending money on in the rust belt and on the farm, and I'd never criticize that portion of it. Regarding the TIG vs MIG portion of this discussion, TIG's not only possible but IMO is the easier/better process to use in this instance. Cut a patch and fusion weld it in, if need be add a couple dabs of filler after. With TIG youre not fighting a heavy cable overhead, there's less spatter/fire risk on the vehicle, and its easier to control on thin/rusty **** metal.

 

[trackwelder]

I guess I'm missing the point of this thread. I've made that exact repair quite a few times in the past, some vehicles and equipment simply isnt worth spending money on in the rust belt and on the farm, and I'd never criticize that portion of it. Regarding the TIG vs MIG portion of this discussion, TIG's not only possible but IMO is the easier/better process to use in this instance. Cut a patch and fusion weld it in, if need be add a couple dabs of filler after. With TIG youre not fighting a heavy cable overhead, there's less spatter/fire risk on the vehicle, and its easier to control on thin/rusty **** metal.

Respectfully I disagree. No way would using TIG be a easier/better process.
You would have to grind all the rust away, grind the area to be welded on the patch, and the fit up as far as gaps would have to be tighter so add in some hammer work. Guys who MIG weld have big biceps we don't mind holding the gun overhead.

 

[laser3kw]

A real farmer would have stick welded it with his buzz box.

(and I have)

 

[eddiemeddiem]

Nothing wrong with a repair like that when time, parts or money is limited. Many of us have done something similar with the full understanding that it's not going to last forever.

 

[sberry]

These repairs are common and many buy machines to do this sort of thing, not all are waxers or hot rod types. The above isn't the best example but I bet I saved 10K over the years fixing exhaust, many with a single failure point. Dozens, hundreds of hangers.
This was a fave, stuck a piece of pipe on and in 10 mins fix a muffler that cost 200 20 yrs ago, so far the repair has out lasted the original.

 

[sberry]

At a minimum I'd grind the rust off before welding. Only takes a min, shows pride in your work, end up with a better weld.

Does it really need a better weld? Next time I can use 2 hands.

 

[Hpozzuoli]

I applaud someone being able to find some scraps and make a meaningful repair. Lots or arm chair quarterbacks out there.

 

[sberry]

I could tig this, I so have a machine and do know how. A minute or 2 doesn't mean much but for comparison there is about a minute weld time around the 4 inch hydrant. I melt off a lot of the casting as filler.
When you use TIG can do most of it no filler.

 

[sberry]

Actually I am usually looking for an easier way. Its obvious some of you know but for those who don't its really better to use a 300A stinger for something like this.

 

[ilovevocs]

Actually I am usually looking for an easier way. Its obvious some of you know but for those who don't its really better to use a 300A stinger for something like this.

Lmfao!!! Best post ever.

 

[george4]

Good to see real problems solved in a practical manner.

 

[zkling]

As much as I respect and admire Sberry, I don't think he really represents the average GJ member that wants to weld in their spare time out of their suburban or semi rural garage. He runs a good sized farming operation and thus needs to keep it going. Perfect example, how many are going to be welding 4" aluminum tubing on a semi regular basis out in the field? Sure that's a great application for a spool gun and so is building a 20' aluminum deep V. But for the vast majority of folks that won't go through a small spool of wire in 2 years, is it really worth having the extra gas bottle around? Especially when their wife's aluminum pot breaks and it's too thin to weld with the mig process.

 

[404]

What was the purpose of posting something like that on the internet? That's what I don't get. Make the fix and get the part back to work. No need to show off something like that.

I take it you have yet to discover FaceBook....

 

[trackwelder]

As much as I respect and admire Sberry, I don't think he really represents the average GJ member that wants to weld in their spare time out of their suburban or semi rural garage. He runs a good sized farming operation and thus needs to keep it going. Perfect example, how many are going to be welding 4" aluminum tubing on a semi regular basis out in the field? Sure that's a great application for a spool gun and so is building a 20' aluminum deep V. But for the vast majority of folks that won't go through a small spool of wire in 2 years, is it really worth having the extra gas bottle around? Especially when their wife's aluminum pot breaks and it's too thin to weld with the mig process.

I think Sberry, many others, and myself have a good understanding of what an average GJ wants to weld. Unless you want to weld a moly tube chassis, custom turbo setups or work that really needs TIG a guy can get by with a quality MIG and do most everything much easier. I can weld a paper thin aluminum pot with a copper backing bar...no problem.