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KMScott

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I welded plenty of roll bars for all my dirt stock cars with 6011 and had a good handle on welding with stick, but when my work place sent me to a local 2 year collage for a two year welding degree I was amazed on what I learned by welding with a torch, the first step in a collage welding course. The horseshoe effect really shows up using a torch. Later when our company purchased a TIG machine then welding went to another level on my part, so similiar to TIG. I own a machine shop and only use TIG. Never did care for Mig welding after tasting TIG but I do not do repairs of farm equipment or auto repair just machine shop type welding and repair.
 
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He didn't say that a good looking weld means that it's inherently a good weld.

How many welds that look like peanut butter and birdcrap thrown together pass the testing?

I spose it would depend on the level of testing. Here is one probably pretty good metalurgically but has minor surface flaws would show up on critical examination.
Precleaning hard burnt mill scale prior would help as much as a little operator practice.
It wasn't meant to be perfect but somehat typical while pointing ut the fact that the 1st pass washed in to the root and laid in a fashion the second can be washed over the first and at a stop try to leave a crater to fill at restart.
 

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5 pages of reading and I just realized this was titled For TIG Fans....

My mind replaced "TIG" with a different word.....:evil:
 

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I enjoyed this thread, it helped put into perspective the differences of welding for a paycheck or just welding for the sake of welding.

We got a lot of different thinkers on this site, and I would not want it any way different.
 
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Lol Tinner..........

We have a saying at my shop..........(we do hot job shop, and production parts for aerospace) "If you want ****, you will have to take it somewhere else."
 

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Lol Tinner..........

We have a saying at my shop..........(we do hot job shop, and production parts for aerospace) "If you want ****, you will have to take it somewhere else."

Yep, it's that way where I work too. Let the bottom feeders fight over the low end work, there's no future in that.
 

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As an inspector I've failed welds that I as a welder am disgusted by and laugh at.

But then for shits and giggles we play in the lab, and what do you know. Ugly but sound. Again and again, and again.

If it meets spec, it passes. And there are some crazy specs, both overly lenient and overly demanding. Some situations you can run a guy off for ugly, other situations the company will run YOU off for failing "perfectly sound" joints and wasting time and money.

I see terrible looking welds on all kinds of dynamic structures whose failure would result in mass chaos. But yet statistically and empirically the failure rates are very low. None of those crappy welds I see regularly have failed and most are exceeding what would be deemed and average lifespan for such a product or construction.

Let the circumstances dictate the level of effort you put into your work.

If it's a rusty muffler on a rusty farm pickup, a little hole patching with the MIG gun ain't nothing but smart, effective use of resources. Why waste the money on new when you've got a shop with the stuff right there to do it in five minutes and get back to making money.

Now if it's a prefabricated pressure vessel, going off to who knows where, and having who knows what running through, in, on, under, over, whatever it is. Point is you don't know what kind of hell or precision environment this thing is going to. So you build it to spec. Every spec has tolerances defined by industry standards organizations and/or governments. Some actually have verbiage about the neatness and appearance, others do not. So again, you build it to spec. Exceeding specifications can be just as undesirable as failing to met them.

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While birds **** can pass some testing it doesn't where its stringent. Where you can really see some super shoots, as good or better than a lot of test coupons is in production where the operators are running some of the same joints all the time.
Innershield is 7018 on roids. You don't have to stop to change a rod which is cold when you start and hot at the stub. In tedious tests the operators learn to organize grain structure in sections samples may be taken and avoid starts there etc.
 
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I never pipelined but seen a couple of those guys side work and took 3 passes to hold shelled corn. Some perfect like machines, I realize this but some of these guys seem to draw a paycheck like the rest.
 
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