Above 1200 Sq/FT Ford garage - 40X60X20

[vrinner]

Just signed contract with building installer!

40 X 60 X 20
Building Manufacture - Metallic Building Company
Location of build, Placentia, CA

Second level mezzanine will be 40 X 20 that will be a music room/office and stained glass studio. Eventually will put a large deck connecting the existing
house/patio area to the second level of the garage.

Calling it the Ford Garage because I'm a Ford car kind of guy.

I will be interesting to document this SoCal build to see what kind of troubles/red tape/hoops I'll have to jump through in order to make this build happen. As per the city I'm good to go as there are no requirements on neighbors approvals, color choices, blocking view concerns or anything. Fingers crossed.

Firm pricing on the engineering, manufacturing and erecting of the building. For grading and concrete I've only been able to go off of estimates and I hope the actual numbers come close. Hopefully have the basic build up by the end of the year.

 

[M-technik-3]

Nice collection of cars, only fitting to have a nice place for them.

 

[MacTexas]

Do you have to build to earthquake standard?

 

[vrinner]

I believe so. Something like a c4 or level 4 standard...all of the west coast has that requirement.

 

[vrinner]

Getting my drawings from building manufacture in a few weeks so I've been working on getting the retaining wall design. City says it needs to be engineered with proper drawings and such. Wall design company says they need a site plan in order to do the engineered wall drawings...man it would be nice to find one company to do it all...at a decent price. So I'm struggling through this on my own here.

Both the city and wall company said the site plan could be done by me so I gave it a shot. I had a hard time getting the concept of what my final site would look like so after I did the overall site plan I mocked up a 3D model old school style with clay. Kind of interesting.

Hopefully my drawings will be good enough for them.

 

[vrinner]

Haven't updated much in this thread as I've been asking other specific questions in others. But so far I am on plan correction list #3 from the city. I probably would have only gotten 2 corrections lists but my lack of experience in this whole process is making things take longer than I think they should. But I will say that my city has been pretty nice through the process so far. In summary the items that I got corrections on (all three times) were all basically the same things but just asked in different ways because I didn't answer them correctly. The questions from the building manufacture they got right after the first try. Here is a summary of the list;

• Asking for new utility features to the building (electrical, water, etc.) (I think done)
• Provide architectural floor plan for mezzanine along with stress/load details. (still pending)
• Provide soils report and various details on retaining wall and foundation (I think done)
• A bunch of technical design questions for the building manufacture (done)

Hopefully with any luck my last responses back to the city will be good enough to at least let me start breaking ground. The city guy has been very communicative with me on what he is OK with me submitting which I have tried to give him all the details I can. My hand drawn site plans so far seem to be enough for the city as well.


Now that I have the engineered pad and retaining wall drawings as well as the soils report, I was able to get a firm price from a few concrete companies and have chosen one. They are chomping at the bit wanting to at least start digging while we wait for approval but I'm going to wait till I get the full go ahead from the city.

A few changes have been added to the project since I started.

My retaining wall went from 100' to 150'.
I had to get a soils report done (I was originally told I didn't need one)
I've added solar to the project that will go on top of the shop.

I'm hoping within a couple of weeks to get final...but I think I told myself the same thing a month ago.

 

[Garett]

Congrats,

2 SVOs? How modded are they?

Whats the red fox in behind?

 

[Specracer]

I noticed the 2 SVO's as well (huge Ford guy here too)

 

[gazza]

Subscribing to see your build, I have the same size area with a low mezzanine on one side, sliding doors on one end and one side into the back yard.

 

[1953mercury]

Should be really nice when done. Dealing with the bureaucrats is always the worst part, but best in the long run to keep them happy. Another Ford guy here, but most of mine are 3-4 decades further back. Cheers, Mike

 

[vrinner]

2 SVO's...I currently have 4.

Here are some pics...

86 1E (silver). I used to own the Cobra next to it but had to sell it because I didn't have enough room...that will no longer be a problem once I get the new garage built!


86 2R (red)...that is the red fox you are talking about. We call it "The Rustang" It's a shame as it's an 86 with only 45K miles but it's pretty rusted. Hoping to maybe restore it.


84 9W (dark gray metallic). Don't even ask about the '69 Mach 1 428 CJ behind it because I sold that years ago in a divorce.

86 Race Car.

 

[vrinner]

In another post I asked "am I nuts for being my own general contractor" and I guess so far it's just time it's cost me an not any money (yet). I'm certainly learning things along the way.

It's been a struggle to get things through just the planning phase with the city but I finally got all the engineering approved through the planning process (took just over 2 months).

Even though I've repeatedly asked them is there anything else I can be doing in the meantime, they just now told me I need to get my Title Report, and a Boundary Survey done. Initial calls to land surveyors is coming in anywhere from $1500 to $11,000! Dang...that's a big swing.

On the bright side maybe it's best it's taking a little longer because with all the rain we have been getting might have caused issues with all the excavation I need to do.

 

[vrinner]

So I got all of permits approved last Thursday. The concrete guys were out on Saturday and started doing the grading and cutting the hill for the retaining wall.

Didn't take long for one of my neighbors to throw a hissy fit that I couldn't do this and they were going to go talk to the city. Whatever.

Here are some pics...I'll try and document things in this thread.

We will see what today brings. I believe they are going to start laying down forms for the wall.

 

[MattN03]

Love the Boss 302 license plate! I had a 03 Mach 1 that I sold several years ago and miss it dearly.

 

[lowside67]

I am surprised there are no requirements at all around out buildings - I am not totally surprised your neighbors are unhappy, that is a very big "utility" building in direct eyeshot of a lot of folks. Nonetheless, should be awesome garage space - I'm very jealous!

-Mark

 

[vrinner]

There are plenty of requirements around secondary buildings but because I'm zoned agricultural the size, height and plumbing capabilities are expanded. All other requirements remain the same as residential and that's what took me so long to get the final permit approval (other than I'm trying to do it all myself).

Today the forms and rebar are going in for the retaining wall.

 

[vrinner]

Finally started putting in rebar. They are supposed to get the wall rebar done today for inspection tomorrow and start on prepping the slab for rebar inspection on thursday. We'll see.

 

[rixtrix1]

A lot of time and effort, but going to be worth it. How thick will that retaining wall be, concrete all the way back to the dirt? What about a drain on the uphill side?

 

[vrinner]

Here is the drawing for the wall. It's the 6' version so the total footing width should be 3'6" however my wall guy is making everything a bit bigger so there are not issues. 12" block the first few rows then 8" block after that.

There will be drain pipes and all the proper sealant/drainage stuff through the entire length of the wall (about 150' total).

 

[M-technik-3]

OT: Vrinner have you seen anyone install a current Focus RS ecoboost into an SVO?

Back On Topic: Of course it's been done. Now I'm tempted since SVO had the good toys vs the drum braked GT's of the time.

 

[vrinner]

OT: Vrinner have you seen anyone install a current Focus RS ecoboost into an SVO?

Back On Topic: Of course it's been done. Now I'm tempted since SVO had the good toys vs the drum braked GT's of the time.

Not the RS Ecoboost but someone on a TV show did a Mustang Ecoboost swap. SVO's have a lot over the GT's of the time...brakes, suspension geometry, shocks, wheels, weight distribution.

 

[rixtrix1]

Lots of details, but it's gonna be nice!

 

[TurboMustang370]

Very nice! I'm definitely jealous of the 20' height. I tried for 16'6" sidewalls but the Township made me come down to 14'6" sidewall height.
I'm also a foxbody kinda guy. Nice SVOs, I'm deep into several 87-93 notchbacks.
Also a Ford diesel guy, is that Excursion a 7.3/6.0?

 

[vrinner]

Very nice! I'm definitely jealous of the 20' height. I tried for 16'6" sidewalls but the Township made me come down to 14'6" sidewall height.
I'm also a foxbody kinda guy. Nice SVOs, I'm deep into several 87-93 notchbacks.
Also a Ford diesel guy, is that Excursion a 7.3/6.0?

Crazy thing is the city would allow me to go even taller if I wanted. Already gonna piss everyone off as it is now.

Ex is a 2003 with 7.3...also have this 2002 F350 with a 7.3...owned since new...still under 70K miles...needs to get used more.

 

[TurboMustang370]

I'll come out to visit and drive it. My daily is an '04 6.0 crew cab dually, I love it!

 

[vrinner]

Making some progress. Retaining wall footing poured, in ground lift cutout started. Today they are actually (finally) laying the rebar for the slab.

 

[Falcon67]

That's some work going on there for sure. Nice collection to stuff in the new building. Would love to have a 200x 7.3 but the old 1993 F-350 7.5 is getting it dome. When I saw your clay model, all I could think of was...

 

[vrinner]

So the first issue to come up is about a 30 foot section of my retaining wall.

When they were pouring the slab they ran short of concrete (3 truck loads) and didn't pour the front part of the footing to the full 12" depth. It's only about 6-8". Stem width of 24" was done.

The front and back of the footing are supposed to be 12" thick. The back is good, the front not so much. They did go extra deep on the key part (30" required...they went between 32" and 36").

So it's been a few days, already cured/hard. What should the fix be? I'm thinking epoxy in rebar then pour additional concrete. I can't imagine tearing it all out and starting from scratch. The other 120 feet of the wall is fine.

 

[vrinner]

Here are some progress updates.

Got the slab finally poured yesterday.

 

[vrinner]

Here is some progress.
Got the slab all poured and cut.
Got the basic grading done on the site.
Got the building delivered (tight fit getting the semi in and out)
Started putting up the iron.

 

[rixtrix1]

How did you resolve the footing issue?

 

[vrinner]

How did you resolve the footing issue?

Engineering company said to totally clean the incorrectly poured footing, put concrete adhesive on, dry properly then pour remaining concrete to proper thickness.

We went a step further and drilled/epoxied in bent rebar every foot so that we had new rebar all the way the length of the mistake with additional rebar tied in cross wise. Wasn't necessary (as per engineering company) but they said it wouldn't hurt so we did it.

 

[vrinner]

A couple more updated pictures.

 

[86turbodsl]

Nothing says permanent more than steel buildings. Love your shop! And the Fords!

 

[vrinner]

Quick question and the answer is probably it's normal, but when they are putting the insulation in, it's going on the panel then they are putting the panel on the building. This is causing the insulation to get compressed between the steel on the building.

Normal or should I be concerned? Loss of R-value I'd assume but not sure if it's that big of a deal or just the normal process.

 

[78SC4X4]

subscribed. Want to do the same thing 40X60 with loft.

 

[vrinner]

Another day of wall hanging down. It looking ridiculously big now. Already planned on putting up some greenery along the back sides...definitely going to do that now to "help" the neighbors view.

 

[Aerospace Eng]

Quick question and the answer is probably it's normal, but when they are putting the insulation in, it's going on the panel then they are putting the panel on the building. This is causing the insulation to get compressed between the steel on the building.

Normal or should I be concerned? Loss of R-value I'd assume but not sure if it's that big of a deal or just the normal process.

It used to be normal everywhere, but the more modern building codes (e.g. IECC 2009) in colder climates now require blocks between the purlins and insulation to keep the R-value up. On many steel buildings you can see lines of condensation where the purlins or girts are.

Here's an overview....

https://www.energycodes.gov/sites/d...Buildings_Webinar_Presentation_Slides_pre.pdf

 

[vrinner]

It used to be normal everywhere, but the more modern building codes (e.g. IECC 2009) in colder climates now require blocks between the purlins and insulation to keep the R-value up. On many steel buildings you can see lines of condensation where the purlins or girts are.

Here's an overview....

https://www.energycodes.gov/sites/d...Buildings_Webinar_Presentation_Slides_pre.pdf

Thanks for the info. I am in Southern California so hopefully I wont have the condensation issue. Really not sure what else I can do at this point about it though.

 

[Aerospace Eng]

Thanks for the info. I am in Southern California so hopefully I wont have the condensation issue. Really not sure what else I can do at this point about it though.

To be clear, the condensation isn't an issue as it is on the outside of the buildings. It is just that if you can see the lines of the purlins and girts in the outer sheathing that there is a different heat conduction with respect to the inside, indicating that, indeed, you lost R-value in that area. It used to be a minor loss, but as buildings become more efficient, the minor losses become your major loss.

In my area (western PA) with the requirement for foam blocks, and having done it once, I will never install blanket insulation on a metal building again.