Outlawmws
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It probably fell off the hook and is in the bottom of the tank.
FyrMe's Tool Restoration Thread
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Come awn Outlaw, don't you know that's the first place I looked? After 3 sweeps with a magnet coming up with nothing but metal sludge shavings, I pulled up the sleeve and dove in that nastiness, I did this TWICE, damnit. I was freaking pulling my hair out all night.
After spending over two hours searching back and forth, high and low, I finally found it. Apparently, the part I was looking for was in the previous batch, not in this one. DOH! I used my heated pressure washer to clean the parts after pulling them from the tank, then I would dry them and put a light coat of WD on and place them in a box. Well that little ****** must have scooted across the drive and slid under a mower deck I had washed earlier I the day. Sheesh, I'm an idiot. All is well now and will get some pics up later.
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Couple quick update pics. Keep in mind I don't have a machine shop or lathe, just some grinders and files and sanders. so everything had to be done by hand. I think they turned out ok
You can see the brass nut has been mashed down over the years from over tightening. I smoothed it back down taking only what material I had to with a file, then hand polished it with several steps of sand paper, then 0000 steel wool.
The pawl on this arm was totally frozen when I got the drill but after derusting it and soaking it in PB, I was able to work it loose. The tip was chipped, so I took off a tiny bit of material to straighten it back out as well as cleaned up some of the pitting before paint
I hand sanded and polished the quill. There is a little bit of pitting on the shaft but without a lathe and the fear of taking too much material, I did the best I could.
The table had a couple of drill marks on it, so I filled them back in and resurfaced the table before masking it off to paint
But so far this was the biggest hurtle. Apparently this must be a problem on these drills because both of mine have been repaired. This being the worst one. Since this drill will live a retired life, I cleaned the repair up by smoothing the brazing welds before paint. It was done right back in the day. This weld is probably 70years old. Notice it's been done twice, once with brass and once with some other material. Man is that brass harder than I thought.
So this is where I'm at.
I just got home from the auction where I bought some cool on stuff to be restored later too.......stay tuned for the rest of this drill.
You can see the brass nut has been mashed down over the years from over tightening. I smoothed it back down taking only what material I had to with a file, then hand polished it with several steps of sand paper, then 0000 steel wool.
The pawl on this arm was totally frozen when I got the drill but after derusting it and soaking it in PB, I was able to work it loose. The tip was chipped, so I took off a tiny bit of material to straighten it back out as well as cleaned up some of the pitting before paint
I hand sanded and polished the quill. There is a little bit of pitting on the shaft but without a lathe and the fear of taking too much material, I did the best I could.
The table had a couple of drill marks on it, so I filled them back in and resurfaced the table before masking it off to paint
But so far this was the biggest hurtle. Apparently this must be a problem on these drills because both of mine have been repaired. This being the worst one. Since this drill will live a retired life, I cleaned the repair up by smoothing the brazing welds before paint. It was done right back in the day. This weld is probably 70years old. Notice it's been done twice, once with brass and once with some other material. Man is that brass harder than I thought.
So this is where I'm at.
I just got home from the auction where I bought some cool on stuff to be restored later too.......stay tuned for the rest of this drill.
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Outlawmws
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You did a nice job on smoothing up the munged nut and Welding/braising!
You know you can "cheat" a lathe for small parts in a drill press. For instance the nut could have been locked onto a bolt shaft and the bolt chucked up in a drill press, and then use a file on the spinning part.
We made a replacement cylinder pin for an old revolver out of some SS rod this way, right down to using a hack saw blade to cut parallel grooves in the part you grip to pull it out, and we cut the radiused groove the pin keeper seats in with a small round file.
You know you can "cheat" a lathe for small parts in a drill press. For instance the nut could have been locked onto a bolt shaft and the bolt chucked up in a drill press, and then use a file on the spinning part.
We made a replacement cylinder pin for an old revolver out of some SS rod this way, right down to using a hack saw blade to cut parallel grooves in the part you grip to pull it out, and we cut the radiused groove the pin keeper seats in with a small round file.
Time for an update. First the post drill, I have it 90% complete. Only lacking the polishing of the post, the side bar and the two wood handles. I took it to work today to show the guys and get one of my peers to make the two wood handles for me. Well during conversation, I mentioned I would be selling it. Noticed one of the guys took a pic of it. Shorty after he was one the phone then pulled out his check book. Short of it is, I sold it for 9 times what I paid for it, and didn't have to get the handles done, which saved me some money there. I did make him let me take a few pics first.
Remember it then......
After a bunch of this.....
Along with a bunch of elbow grease. I ended up with this....
Remember it then......
After a bunch of this.....
Along with a bunch of elbow grease. I ended up with this....
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d.mcfarland
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The restoration came out real nice! You're probably addicted now! People are out there that are willing to pay good money for a well restored tool, so congrats on the sale.
Marco84
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Nice work. I recently inherited some old hand tools from my grandfather some of which I may restore. I have started with an old Thor hammer for which I have started a thread detailing my progress.
beamrider
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Wow, that post drill came out looking great! Keep it going, I'm loving this thread!
So, Bertha, my big compressor decided to spring a leak in the tank a coupe weeks ago forcing me to use my little 10 gal Sears compressor.
I was on the hunt for a new tank and after missing out on a 120 gal tank for cheap, and considering a truck mounted LPG tank, I fell into this Craftsman vertical 60gal. I gave more than I wanted to for it since I didn't need the motor or pump, but $180 for a working compressor, I had to buy it. Once I got it home, I noticed that the pump is the exact pump I have on my 10gal as well as the pressure switch. So,now I have good spare parts for it. The motor is a swapped in 2hp 220v only motor that at some point I'll just sell to recoup some cash.
First order of the project was to lose the tiny pump and motor to make way for my biggun.
Well it's a tight fit. I will have to extent the mounting plate about 2" to fit the new pump and 5hp motor.
I was very concerned about the size difference of the two check valves. The big valve being a 1" and the new tank valve is a 1/2". After talking to two different air compressor supply shops, and showing them what I had, both assured me that stepping down to the smaller one would be fine.
So far I have bought new copper tubing and adapters to plumb the pump into the tank, as well as a new gauge and other fittings. Since this thing is torn down, and my old pump was leaking oil and some air at the head gasket. I am going to tear it apart and make all new gaskets for it before getting painted. More pics soon.
I was on the hunt for a new tank and after missing out on a 120 gal tank for cheap, and considering a truck mounted LPG tank, I fell into this Craftsman vertical 60gal. I gave more than I wanted to for it since I didn't need the motor or pump, but $180 for a working compressor, I had to buy it. Once I got it home, I noticed that the pump is the exact pump I have on my 10gal as well as the pressure switch. So,now I have good spare parts for it. The motor is a swapped in 2hp 220v only motor that at some point I'll just sell to recoup some cash.
First order of the project was to lose the tiny pump and motor to make way for my biggun.
Well it's a tight fit. I will have to extent the mounting plate about 2" to fit the new pump and 5hp motor.
I was very concerned about the size difference of the two check valves. The big valve being a 1" and the new tank valve is a 1/2". After talking to two different air compressor supply shops, and showing them what I had, both assured me that stepping down to the smaller one would be fine.
So far I have bought new copper tubing and adapters to plumb the pump into the tank, as well as a new gauge and other fittings. Since this thing is torn down, and my old pump was leaking oil and some air at the head gasket. I am going to tear it apart and make all new gaskets for it before getting painted. More pics soon.
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Update Time.....
I needed to extend the mounting plate 2 1/2" to make enough room for the pump and motor to fit comfortably. I just happen to have some scrap rain guards lying around that came off a out door electrical cabinet. It was a perfect radius to match the existing one. Now it just needed a little chop and channeling......
With that out of the way, I gave it a good test fit before welding.....
All welded up, I made sure I got 100% penetration so I could grind the top smooth. To help reinforce it, I will be using the reinforcement plates that came with the original set up. They mount underneath and are hidden.
All ground down and primed for paint
I'm having a problem finding gasket material thick enough for new head gaskets.
I thought about doubling up on the gaskets but I'm not sure if that will work.
I needed to extend the mounting plate 2 1/2" to make enough room for the pump and motor to fit comfortably. I just happen to have some scrap rain guards lying around that came off a out door electrical cabinet. It was a perfect radius to match the existing one. Now it just needed a little chop and channeling......
With that out of the way, I gave it a good test fit before welding.....
All welded up, I made sure I got 100% penetration so I could grind the top smooth. To help reinforce it, I will be using the reinforcement plates that came with the original set up. They mount underneath and are hidden.
All ground down and primed for paint
I'm having a problem finding gasket material thick enough for new head gaskets.
I thought about doubling up on the gaskets but I'm not sure if that will work.
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Almost done.... If it wern't for being short a 3/8" close ****** to extend my oil drain, it would be running tonight. I'll have it going by this weekend though. Can't wait! I'm so tired of my little 10gal.
I got everything mocked up and plumbed.
Then tore it back down for paint and reassembled it yesterday....
I will get the belt guard cleaned and painted tomorrow while I'm at the station and pick up that ****** on Friday after I get back from fishing. Then its off for a test drive and a over night leak test before moving back outside to it's home.
Before
After
Edit: fixed my rotated pics.
I got everything mocked up and plumbed.
Then tore it back down for paint and reassembled it yesterday....
I will get the belt guard cleaned and painted tomorrow while I'm at the station and pick up that ****** on Friday after I get back from fishing. Then its off for a test drive and a over night leak test before moving back outside to it's home.
Before
After
Edit: fixed my rotated pics.
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ZRX61
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I wouldn't have been able to resist polishing the brass & copper fittings etc
You would have if you realized it would be soon living outdoors again and that effort would disappear within weeks. I started to, then told my self, "self, this is just a compressor, not a show piece."
Compressor is up and running great. And is much quieter that it used to be for some reason, though I'm not complaining. It is living back outside. I will very soon be doing what I should have done years ago and building it a house and adding a automatic drain to hopefully prevent future issues.
I've been working on a little resto lately. I'm almost done with it. But here is where I'm at right now. If anyone remembers this jewel...
After restoring the other press, I decided this one was a little too pitted to restore to a acceptable state. However I wanted the challenge of trying to make that little 1930s GE motor run again. I mean, after all, it has only sat outside for the last 30 years. I removed the motor and sold off the rest of the parts for more than twice what I paid for it and still had the motor.
Disassembly was pretty simple and straight forward. First thing to do was clean out all the mud dobber nest then send the cast parts through the electro tank.
While the housing was soaking, I chucked up the whole armature in the drill press and cleaned up the shafts and commutators as best that I could without taking off too much material
I did a little research on the best way to clean the windings. From what I read, a lot of motor rebuilders use a ultrasonic cleaner. I just happened to have one, just barely big enough. After about 30 min of low freq. 100* water buzzing on it, I threw it in the oven at 150* for about 3 hours to dry it off'(don't tell the wife).
And while that was drying, I refurbed the brushes and brush cover plate.
One of the brush springs was broken, and since this motor is roughly 70+ years old, I didn't figure the local hardware store would have one. So just made my own out of a similar type spring I had lying around
The bake-lite cover was dull and dirty. I first scrubbed it with soap and water and then lightly sanded with 0000 steel wool then hit it with some polish.
Finally a little paint before assembly. Notice the sweat shirt? It was in the 60s a few mornings back, in August mind you!
Tonight i threw it together for a quick test run. I still have to buy new acorn nuts for it and finish the wiring as well as figure out what I'm going to use for the oil port packing material that soaks up the machine oil that keeps the brass bushings lubed. I just wanted to make sure it ran first. Spins like a top.....
And this brings me up to date.
After restoring the other press, I decided this one was a little too pitted to restore to a acceptable state. However I wanted the challenge of trying to make that little 1930s GE motor run again. I mean, after all, it has only sat outside for the last 30 years. I removed the motor and sold off the rest of the parts for more than twice what I paid for it and still had the motor.
Disassembly was pretty simple and straight forward. First thing to do was clean out all the mud dobber nest then send the cast parts through the electro tank.
While the housing was soaking, I chucked up the whole armature in the drill press and cleaned up the shafts and commutators as best that I could without taking off too much material
I did a little research on the best way to clean the windings. From what I read, a lot of motor rebuilders use a ultrasonic cleaner. I just happened to have one, just barely big enough. After about 30 min of low freq. 100* water buzzing on it, I threw it in the oven at 150* for about 3 hours to dry it off'(don't tell the wife).
And while that was drying, I refurbed the brushes and brush cover plate.
One of the brush springs was broken, and since this motor is roughly 70+ years old, I didn't figure the local hardware store would have one. So just made my own out of a similar type spring I had lying around
The bake-lite cover was dull and dirty. I first scrubbed it with soap and water and then lightly sanded with 0000 steel wool then hit it with some polish.
Finally a little paint before assembly. Notice the sweat shirt? It was in the 60s a few mornings back, in August mind you!
Tonight i threw it together for a quick test run. I still have to buy new acorn nuts for it and finish the wiring as well as figure out what I'm going to use for the oil port packing material that soaks up the machine oil that keeps the brass bushings lubed. I just wanted to make sure it ran first. Spins like a top.....
And this brings me up to date.
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You need some motor gland packing material? I've got a small tin of some I collect from every motor I change out. Little more than sawdust or cotton wadding, but, if you give me an idea of how much you need, maybe I can spare that much. PM me.
rycam
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Then tore it back down for paint and reassembled it yesterday....
I was not aware a compressor could look so great with such vintage 'engine' style. I will now forever be on the craigslist hunt for something similar.
Thanks Booney, I'll briefly look local to see if I can find something suitable. If not, I'll likely take you up on that generous offer! It only needs one side done. And it's about a 5/8"diaX2.5"long hole it packs into.
Old compressor pumps are way cool looking. There are older ones that remind me of airplane rotary engines and look way cooler than mine. My pump is actually Japanese made and dates back in the 60s so it's old, just not OLD!
The motor is completely done. I tried to keep it as original as I found it. (Last used about 1944). I did put a new cord and switch on it since the old one was rotted off completely.
Now that its working again, it needs something to spin. So I dug around my pile of tools and decided this would be perfect. It's a Brede-Bilt grinder. The company is still in business and has been for over 100 years. However they have never been associated commercially as a "Tool" manufacturer, but rather a Exposition service. Here is a link to a little history http://historicminneapolissigns.wordpress.com/signs/brede/ my best guess is the grinder was built around WW2 since this was the time when the company was doing "odd jobs" to say in business.
This is how I bought it for $10
Now that its working again, it needs something to spin. So I dug around my pile of tools and decided this would be perfect. It's a Brede-Bilt grinder. The company is still in business and has been for over 100 years. However they have never been associated commercially as a "Tool" manufacturer, but rather a Exposition service. Here is a link to a little history http://historicminneapolissigns.wordpress.com/signs/brede/ my best guess is the grinder was built around WW2 since this was the time when the company was doing "odd jobs" to say in business.
This is how I bought it for $10
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Oh, and remember this?
It's been well taken care of.
Here is the link to its resto, nicely done by a fellow coworker of mine
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215234&page=3
It's been well taken care of.
Here is the link to its resto, nicely done by a fellow coworker of mine
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215234&page=3
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Great job, everything looks fantastic. 
That is ballsy to chuck up the entire armature in the drill press. At least it has a threaded chuck.
Really liking that floor jack. What do you think of the older all mechanical vs the more common hydraulic jacks? I was looking at purchasing one of those exact jacks a while back, but was advised by a jack expert that it has some disadvantages compared to the more modern hydraulic jacks. Your thoughts?
That is ballsy to chuck up the entire armature in the drill press. At least it has a threaded chuck.
Really liking that floor jack. What do you think of the older all mechanical vs the more common hydraulic jacks? I was looking at purchasing one of those exact jacks a while back, but was advised by a jack expert that it has some disadvantages compared to the more modern hydraulic jacks. Your thoughts?
Outlawmws
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dang that jack looks good; still working on the wheels?
Lots of weight and pretty good diameter --> High inertia--> Slight imbalance or side load--> Quite a bit of force on the chuck/spindle. Tapers are not designed for tension (gravity in this case) and could come apart. At lest on your press it has a locking collar so the chuck won't come off.
fireman164
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Ok so that compressor turned out amazing, big fan of that , what did you paint it with ? Very nice!