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Garage Attic Stairs vs. Pull Down Ladder

Hatman52

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My garage/shop is a 1911 carriage house/barn. It has an attic/loft above that's accessed by the usual wooden ladder nailed to the wall. Currently, I use the loft to store empty boxes and other light items.

I'm currently working on re-working several parts of the building, and considering adding either a staircase or pull-down ladder/stairs. I'd like to make better use of the loft for storage -- it's strong enough to hold heavier items (it was used to store hay originally), but the majority of the items would be fairly light -- motorcycle parts and empty boxes, which I use for a part-time business. Getting those out of the garage area would be beneficial, as the building is only 520 square feet. The ceilings are 9 foot, btw.

I currently make the climb up and down the ladder several times per week, and would do so more often if it were more convenient. Obviously purpose-built stairs wins in the convenience arena. The downside of course is space -- and wall space, at that -- although I could use the area under the stairs for the air compressor, storage, etc.

Attic stairs take up zero space when not in use, and could be positioned to "land" in an "aisle" area of the garage. The downside is they're harder to climb, particularly when carrying something, and there's the whole "****, forgot something in the attic, now I need to pull the stairs *back* down", etc.

So the trade off is the floor space of dedicated stairs versus the PITA factor of pull-down ladder/stairs. Either is a DYI project for me, and the cost is fairly close.

Wondering who else has made this choice and how they feel about it after living with it for a while?
 
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I agree the pull downs are nicer than the wall mounted ones like you have now. It's still a pain moving things up and down. If for some reason you decide to go this route, be sure to get the heavy duty ones that not only support 350# (you + junk) but also a bit wider than the residential grade that most builders include in homes these days. They will cost a bit more but you will thank yourself later. I've had both styles and hate the non-HD version.

But realistically, as often as you access the loft, I would opt for the stairs. I would have stairs now if I physically had the room. And by room, I don't mean I'd like the wall space. My space is tight. With real stairs, I couldn't park my vehicle. Assuming that isn't your case, that is how I would go for sure.

Alternatively, have you considered doing an attic lift? Some units are sold, but many guys make their own. It's basically a pulley system using a baby winch from HF to mimick a miniature freight elevator. Unless designed for human use, please just move your junk on it and use good sense. Use the existing ladder or pull down for YOUR access.
 

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I have the non HD ones in my house. If you get the pull down stairs make sure to keep the screws tightened, they seem to work loose after a few months.
 

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Every situation is unique to its self. I looked at permanent stairs vs. pull down. Ended up with pull down because I didn't want to eat up floor space with the permanent stairs. My ceiling is almost 13' so I also needed a landing with the permanent stairs to make them fit.
 

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If space is a problem I go with the winch idea for the stuff and keep the ladder for yourself.
 

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Stairs are much safer than any kind of ladder. I would bite the bullet and build steps and use all the space under steps for air compressor and other custom storage. The idea of pull out steps fronts for drawers would be easy when designing it.
 

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With a garage that small, id do the drop down ladder. Def spend the extra cash and get the aluminum version.

In my last house, i actually had a ElCheapo wooden drop down ladder break on me, and sprained my ankle while carrying a box of intercooler piping down. Replaced it with the aluminum version, and its lightyears more sturdy. The wood ones felt shaky even when i wasnt carrying anything.
 

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With a garage that small, id do the drop down ladder. Def spend the extra cash and get the aluminum version.

In my last house, i actually had a ElCheapo wooden drop down ladder break on me, and sprained my ankle while carrying a box of intercooler piping down. Replaced it with the aluminum version, and its lightyears more sturdy. The wood ones felt shaky even when i wasnt carrying anything.

The aluminum WAS the ladder that I had and the cast hinges were not up to the task. The replacement was a wooden ladder and Werner no longer makes an aluminum ladder.
 

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I was responding to the Thread maker, not to anything you had said.

The brand i installed was a Keller, and had like a 400 pound rating on it. I actually did the install maybe 5 months ago right before i sold the house. The wood ladder broke back in 2008 or so, and i had been using a common ladder to access the attic ever since. But fixed all the little stuff around the house id been slacking on to make it easier to sell.
 

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The aluminum WAS the ladder that I had and the cast hinges were not up to the task. The replacement was a wooden ladder and Werner no longer makes an aluminum ladder.

I bought my Werner aluminum at Home Depot, and they still have them there. See the pic below I screen shot today. I got the extra wide/long one with 375# capacity (the one in the pic). It feels solid and has not had any issues. I hope the issues you had have since been fixed because of the lawsuit.

As someone who has a very tiny one car garage the convenience of the fold up ladder is great. I was able to place it in such a way that I can lower it with my car in the garage.
 

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MonoxieChild, that's fine but I would check to see where the hardware (hinges) were manufactured.
No idea as that was my last house which has been sold for a few months now.

Ive just recently bought me new house which has a 3 bay 42x38 garage, and a separate 28x28 2 bay garage. I do plan on adding another drop down attic ladder in my larger 3 bay garage so i can use the unused attic space to store my storm windows. (currently an entire wall of my garage is packed full of windows, and thats area that could be much better utilized.
 

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I just saw your other post on the Warner lawsuit. I can't believe they're telling you they do not make the aluminum ladder anymore when, as I shown in my post above, Home Depot still stocks their aluminum ladder! Maybe you should show them that and ask WTF?!
 

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I bought my Werner aluminum at Home Depot, and they still have them there. See the pic below I screen shot today. I got the extra wide/long one with 375# capacity (the one in the pic). It feels solid and has not had any issues. I hope the issues you had have since been fixed because of the lawsuit.

As someone who has a very tiny one car garage the convenience of the fold up ladder is great. I was able to place it in such a way that I can lower it with my car in the garage.

Werner declared bankruptcy when the lawsuit was filed. They are now the "new" Werner company, ha ha. After what they did and the way that they handled their problems I will not trust or deal with them. They sent their production to China and their ladders probably meet Chinese specs. Good luck lowering the ladder or carrying goods up the ladder. Just remember this post when it happens.
 

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I just saw your other post on the Warner lawsuit. I can't believe they're telling you they do not make the aluminum ladder anymore when, as I shown in my post above, Home Depot still stocks their aluminum ladder! Maybe you should show them that and ask WTF?!

I don't care to talk with them again. They are two faced and not to be trusted. They was more said than I have exposed here but it was a very lengthy talk that I had with their service representative and very courteous but evasive double talk.
 

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I recently bought a Werner aluminum ladder from Home Depot; the hinges are stamped steel, not cast. It is far sturdier than the wooden one it replaced. However, I re-used the springs and arms from the old one, rather than use the gas struts that Werner supplies with all their aluminum ladders, and I used the old frame. I'm very happy with the way it turned out, but re-engineering it and figuring how to do the whole job myself, took some extra time.
 

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This is the best I have ever seen:



Very nice. I'm on my iPad and TapaTalk. I miss details sometime. Is there a product description or link somewhere?

While I prefer traditional stairs this appears to be a good solution for smaller spaces that truly can't spare the space.


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Hatman52

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Thanks for the input, guys.

The You Tube stairs are neat, although the complete and utter lack of any information makes you wonder why the poster even bothered with the video. They do have a much larger footprint than the pull-down ladder, so that's a consideration. However, if I could put them over an open "aisle" type area (open areas are in short supply in a 520 sq. ft. shop, however!), they might be a good compromise between the space requirements of permanent stairs and the inconvenience of a pull-down ladder.

I've seen the various lifts featured on this forum before, but given the light weight of what I'm storing up there, that's not really something I'd be looking at.
 

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I love the idea of building those pull down stairs in that Youtube video. What do you think he used to retract and hold the stairs up? Is it the gas shocks, or are there springs also? I saw some other similar videos with winches, but that looks like a real pita.
 

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The stairs in the YouTube video would be the only way I would consider fold away stairs.

I've never been satisfied with the folding variety as none of the ones I've been on ever felt stable in any way (even the "good ones").

In the video he's using lift struts to raise it, you can even hear them. :)

The metal plates are for the attach brackets of the lift struts (watched it a few times ;) ).

If I were going to duplicate that, I would check with whomever there was in my area that builds custom murphy beds as those are the same kind of struts (larger) that they seem to use in the newer Murphys (when they aren't using a spring).

Both of the places here that do that build custom closets, so I could (if I had an attic :lol_hitti ) have them build the whole thing for me :D

With the cost of materials locally, it might be cheaper to have them build that for me (it seems HD and Lowes send all their warped, split, extra knotty or otherwise defective lumber here :mad: ).
 

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Amazing to me that those struts could hold that heavy of a ladder up(maybe 200lbs.?). I wonder how long they last before sagging. Maybe there is an engineer on here that could give some guidance on the specs on the struts...
 

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Amazing to me that those struts could hold that heavy of a ladder up(maybe 200lbs.?). I wonder how long they last before sagging. Maybe there is an engineer on here that could give some guidance on the specs on the struts...

I'm not an engineer but every strut I've used eventually wears out and you have to replace. I'm mainly talking about the struts on hoods, hatchbacks, etc. I realize these are probably more heavy duty but I suspect the design is still prone to them wearing out after extended use.
 

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I have been quite happy with my Rainbow attic stairs. I went with a good pull down type stair just for access then put in a lift for all the work.



 

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I love my Rainbow attic stairs... I have the prestige kind. It was about the only ones I could find with more than 250 lbs capacity and that could easily work with my Garage 13' ceilings.
 

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I put a pull down attic ladder in my garage. It isn't as convenient as stairs but it seemed a much better option for my needs.
 

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If I had the money I would buy this

http://www.bessler.com/

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Hope to be able to make something similar in my 14 x 20 garage
 
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This Old House installing one (I assume a Bessler stairway)

 

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I've had 2 sets of wooden stairs, both of which failed, and currently have an aluminum unit, which, although better than its wooden counterparts, I wouldn't recommend.

Too narrow, stairs are too shallow to safely capture your foot near the top, and the retracting mechanism seems to catch my jacket or shirt every time I use the stairs.

I'm either going to install real stairs or abandon my attic storage space.
 

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I won't even bother with ****** attic stairs anymore. Ladder and a hatch for me
 

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Here's what I might try but twice as tall in the garage. This is my crawlspace:

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Other angles:
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These are strings that I've used backwards. I've raged on them quite a bit over the past months with all the work down there. 8-9 steps would be enough for an 8' or so garage. This would be fairly inexpensive and take up a smaller footprint than proper stairs.

Please ignore my temp plumbing, electric, liner, and such in the pics. It's a foreclosure in need of much work.
 
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