garage-pak airlines

[RockCrawlingRobK]

Anyone using this product. I just saw it on spike TV.. It looks like a nice and easy kit. I am waiting on a price.


http://www.garage-pak.com/

RK

 

[bmwpower]

Don't wait too long... it's pricey.

 

[JasonK]

You can do the same thing with 1/2" cpvc or whatever it's called? My friend who owns a Construction Company made all his air lines with that stuff. I plan to, just haven't made it to that point yet.

 

[Luckydevil]

You can do the same thing with 1/2" cpvc or whatever it's called? My friend who owns a Construction Company made all his air lines with that stuff. I plan to, just haven't made it to that point yet.

You don't mean plastic pvc pipe do you? I'm not sure what cpvc is???

 

[bdaz442]

Dont USE PLASTIC!!!! Its a BOMB waiting to explode.
Copper is Cheap , easy to install, and SAFE.

 

[JasonK]

No it's not..... That line is good for 200 psi.

 

[Luckydevil]

Using crappy PVC for compressed air lines is EXTREMELY dangerous.

Read this... http://www.cagi.org/pdfs/Tech Sheet 101.pdf

 

[JasonK]

Lucky, your right, but Chlorinated Poly (Vinyl Chloride) (CPVC) is diffrent stuff. Much stronger...... Do a search on it, 400 psi. I bet the pipe in the garage - pak is this stuff, I could not find what the pipe is that they use on their site. Either way, my friend has a construction company and used cpvc thru-out his shop.

 

[RockCrawlingRobK]

I believe the Garage Pak stuff is Aluminum.. We use CPVC in Vinyl Siding to withstand higher temps or reflective light.

 

[trovato]

Lucky, your right, but Chlorinated Poly (Vinyl Chloride) (CPVC) is diffrent stuff. Much stronger...... Do a search on it, 400 psi. I bet the pipe in the garage - pak is this stuff, I could not find what the pipe is that they use on their site. Either way, my friend has a construction company and used cpvc thru-out his shop.

Jason, I think YOU need to do a search on it. You'll find lots of sources saying NOT to use it with compressed air. Here's one example:

"Can I use CPVC pipe/fittings for compressed air or gases?"
Although some people use CPVC piping for compressed air or gases, we are not aware of any fittings manufacturer that recommends it. We feel it is dangerous and absolutely do not recommend it. Air is much more compressible than are liquids and could therefore cause a violent explosion.

That particular one is from http://www.plumbingworld.com/cpvc.html, but you'll find lots more.

 

[Luckydevil]

Jason, please don't take what we're saying personal. Everyone here just doesn't want to see anyone get hurt.

Yeah there are some guys that swear by pvc and/or cpvc for compressed air lines. Hell they may even claim to have had them for 10 years. The bottom line is that one small crack or small amount of oil can overtime cause the line to basically turn into a pipe bomb.

 

[byrdman]

Before long, we will need another forum category, "Compressed Air Lines". The sticky at the top will read, "why NOT to use PVC despite others' apparent success with it.".

 

[White Chocolate]

Why not just use 1/2" copper? Its cheap, easy to work with, available everywhere, and very safe for compressed air. Get a MAPP gas torch from sears, some flux and solder, a cheap tubing cutter and you're ready to go!

 

[MCraven210]

I have the Garage-Pac in my garage. I am also doing alot of copper pipe work getting my in flour radiant heating system. I did a cost comparasion between the copper pipe and the aluminum pipes of the same size. If I did my air system in copper it would have been aprox. one third cheaper. but taken me two to three times longer to install. My time is worth something so in the end I thoght that it was about the same. The fitting that Garage-Pak use are first class and give you a very profesional look.

Mike

 

[JasonK]

Hey, that is fine don't use it. My buddy does and has never had a problem. When I use it I might have a problem. I'll be out what maybe 20.00, and a hell of a story to tell....

 

[krooser]

CPVC...PVC...Dangerous for airlines...plus it doesn't allow the moisture to condense which allows it to drop out of the system...Fast and EZ but not the way to go...

 

[Stuart in MN]

Hey, that is fine don't use it. My buddy does and has never had a problem. When I use it I might have a problem. I'll be out what maybe 20.00, and a hell of a story to tell....

You may be out twenty bucks, or you may be dead. The pressure ratings you've seen for PVC/CPVC are for use with liquids, not compressible gases. If a plastic pipe filled with compressed air is damaged it will catastrophically fail, throwing shrapnel everywhere. Steel or copper lines will just crack and bend a little, and let the air out. There is one brand of ABS plastic pipe I'm aware of that is rated for use with compressed air, but it's expensive and you're not going to find it at Home Depot.

As a professional engineer, I've worked with compressed air systems for more than 25 years. In that time, I've seen the aftermath of CPVC parts used for compressed air lines twice, and it wasn't pretty. Fortunately, in both cases no one was present when the parts blew but it made a hell of a mess, and could well have been lethal if someone had been standing in the right place at the wrong time.

If you do a search of just about any online automotive forum (including this one), you're going to find this same discussion and the responses are going to be the same...don't do it. Like Luckydevil said, we're not saying this stuff to give you a hard time, it's just the way it is.

 

[mikeyr]

copper or iron pipe...that system is so expensive you could probably gold plate copper pipe and still be cheaper.

 

[JasonK]

Enough guys..... I will not preach the good or bad word of cpvc anymore..... To tell the truth I actually have 100' of "Goodyear,...oil resistant" air line I use. My garage is only 24' long. I have all the hose I need and then some.

 

[Matt Harwood]

Let him go, guys. Darwin always takes care of his own...

 

[JasonK]

Matt - I'm offended you said that of my good friend..... I think he completed his master ninja training. Any explosions from his pcvc air lines, he will be able to karate chop the bits before they enter his body.

 

[mbatarga]

Go to the Garage Pak web site and look at the 1 or 2 bay system. On the right side frame, they have a small graphic listing the Cost and Labor comparison. It takes the guess work out of wondering what the systems cost.

 

[Proeliator]

Awesome setup but just too much dang $$$. Better to use copper and use the money you saved for a fridge to store your beer in

 

[Da Bull]

blue, rigid nylon tubing

Found this at Griot's Garage,thought you might want to take a look
http://www.griotsgarage.com/catalog.jsp?L1=L1_2000&L2=L2_3500&SKU=10035

 

[Proeliator]

A drawback to that stuff is that its nylon pipe. Sure, its rated for air just like the abs green air pipe they have, but they won't pull heat out of the line like a metal pipe would. Heat dissapation being an important factor of course. Less heat equals less water formation. Still, its an alternative and cheaper than the garage-pak (which uses aluminum pipe I believe).

 

[z28toz06]

Lucky, your right, but Chlorinated Poly (Vinyl Chloride) (CPVC) is diffrent stuff. Much stronger...... Do a search on it, 400 psi. I bet the pipe in the garage - pak is this stuff, I could not find what the pipe is that they use on their site. Either way, my friend has a construction company and used cpvc thru-out his shop.

Garage pak is powder coated aluminum I believe.

 

[paintdaddy]

Got a question on the copper lines.Do they corode and if they do what can you do to stop it.The last thing I want is the pipes turning green .

 

[stimpy]

wash the flux off with water after sweating the connections . you could paint the pipe but . it will hold heat and moisture in the air flow .

 

[imported_banzaitoyota]

I still prefer the heat removal capability of Black Iron Pipe. There is no substitute for thermal mass.

Then there is the availability factor, What are you going to do when you want to reconfigure? Run down to Lowes and the Industrial Supply house? And how are you going to insure they are here 3 years from now?

I cant even get product support for a Sirius Orbiter system thats less than a year old.

 

[Roadster]

I have the Garage-Pac in my garage. I am also doing alot of copper pipe work getting my in flour radiant heating system. I did a cost comparasion between the copper pipe and the aluminum pipes of the same size. If I did my air system in copper it would have been aprox. one third cheaper. but taken me two to three times longer to install. My time is worth something so in the end I thoght that it was about the same. The fitting that Garage-Pak use are first class and give you a very profesional look.

I agree. The Garage-Pak system is first class.

 

[nova65ss]

Nice garage roadster Very impressive!

Jimmy

 

[Weekend_warrior]

Man, that is a nice setup!

 

[dboat]

Man, that is a nice setup!

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