Above 1200 Sq/FT Garage Refurb®

[NUTTSGT]

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Right or wrong I really don't know but it seems to follow common sense in my book.

Love this transformation! Just read your entire post and am very impressed with the quality of your work and in the time it has taken you. You've gotta have some background in construction based on your work. I don't remember any mention of permits or inspections, are they not required in your area? As a retired copper, I can smile when I ask this. Do you know what Policemen and Firemen have in common? They both wanted to be Firemen.

Thank you, my background has absolutely nothing in construction, just watching TV, reading and applying the skills. Who says TV rots the mind, watch the right shows and you can learn something. No inspections required around here.

There's been more than one LEO that has told me he took the "wrong test."

BTW, Love the avatar and welcome to GJ.

 

[NUTTSGT]

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No more block to cut ! Yea I cut the last chimney block to fit on top of the thimble, slapped up some mortar, laid the block and filled the holes. After that was done, I put the solid 4x8x16, in the wall. That left cutting the one last regular block to close off the wall.

From the inside.

I wonder why I pulled out a uncut block but I had to cut one to fit back in. I started looking at what I pulled out of the wall. They basically used all mortar and some small pieces of block to fill the opening.

After that last block was in the wall, all the joints were good, I put up one more chimney block for the day.

After this, I have to take down my tarp and work in the sun. I have two block left, that will get me to the roof line. The weather forecast is calling for some rain tonight and again tommorrow so I get a break from the chimney. Once I get a few blocks above the roof, I can build the cricket and shingle the back roof. After that is done, I'll start back on the chimney.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Thought you were having a bad day ?

My day just got worse, by a long shot. If any of you have followed my refurb thread, you know that I have stripped the back roof of my garage. Well, yesterday we got some rain and it leaked. I figured it came from some flashing that I failed to put back down. So I corrected that today and about an hour ago, a storm rolled through.
This I can handle, the ceiling is down to fix some roof deck and such.

Over the workbench, where there is still ceiling and insulation.

The drain pan is right in front of the TV on the bench.

It has leaked across the entire back roof, soaking the insulation. I'm in the process of putting up a new chimney and have waited on the roof. I need the chimney up so I can build a small cricket into the roof line. Apparently the 15lb tar paper I used leaks like a ******* sieve.

Now, not only do I need to finish a chimney and shingle a roof but looks like ripping down a ceiling/insulation & lights.

 

[NUTTSGT]

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My most recent update, now I have more work to do.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154516

EDIT: This thread now merged with The Garage Refurb thread.

 

[Link-Belt]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

Man that does ****.

 

[kngkong]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

Ouch man I hear ya. I hate water leaks.

 

[fireman0977]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

Well at least you are getting rain. We haven't had a good rain/snow here since Nov or so. It is very dry and nothing is growing.

But yeah that does ****

 

[JimVonBaden]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

Man that does ****.

No kidding! Bummer for you man!

Jim

 

[Gary S]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

Ouch man I hear ya. I hate water leaks.

Water is your best friend and your worst enemy at the same time. That is why I will never allow any kind of plumbing in my garage. I have to fight that problem with plumbing in my house, but it isn't necessary in my garage.

To me, water is for the plants in my yard, for taking baths, and a little bit of it to mix with my whiskey. More water than that is nasty.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

Well at least you are getting rain. We haven't had a good rain/snow here since Nov or so. It is very dry and nothing is growing.

But yeah that does ****

Yesterday is the first decent rain we have in awhile. I'm happy we got the rain, just not that it made it's way into my garage like it did, especially after I thought the leak corrected. Finding it's coming (basically) right through the tar paper is aggravating.

 

[rslaback]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

To me, water is for the plants in my yard, for taking baths, and a little bit of it to mix with my whiskey. More water than that is nasty.

Chamber pots in your house?

 

[Vvmvbb]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

One of those days, eh?

could be worse

 

[signcrafter]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

Yesterday is the first decent rain we have in awhile. I'm happy we got the rain, just not that it made it's way into my garage like it did, especially after I thought the leak corrected. Finding it's coming (basically) right through the tar paper is aggravating.

That *****. I quit using 15lb felt years ago after it ripped while I was walking on it and I almost went for a ride, it's just to thin. The 30lb isn't that much more and well worth the extra cost, especially if you are going to leave the roof exposed for any length of time. I would have even considered ice and water dam the whole roof if I was going to leave it exposed. It may have cost a little more upfront but after the leak it would have paid for itself now.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

That *****. I quit using 15lb felt years ago after it ripped while I was walking on it and I almost went for a ride, it's just to thin. The 30lb isn't that much more and well worth the extra cost, especially if you are going to leave the roof exposed for any length of time. I would have even considered ice and water dam the whole roof if I was going to leave it exposed. It may have cost a little more upfront but after the leak it would have paid for itself now.

It's going to get 30lb on it now. I've never had a problem using 15 lb before this. I'm just dumbfounded that the rain came in like it did. I mean some coming in here or there, I can see but it was like there was nothing on the decking at all.

 

[flybefree]

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Nutt,

That leaky roof would have chapped my backside too! Hopefully no real damage was done.

Shaun

 

[SuitorsGarage]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

That *****! Hopefully nothing got ruined in your shop.

15# paper should be covered the same day it is installed. It is so thin that even dew will distort it and pull the staples out. 30# paper is much better but you should cover it withing a few days also. There is a newer type of underlayment made by grace called Triflex that will last up to six months.
http://www.homedepot.com/Building-Materials-Roofing-Gutters-Roofing-Felt-Underlayment/h_d1/N-5yc1vZarka/R-202288626/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051
This with ice & water shield around penetrations should keep you dry until you can get your roof on. It's pricey but one roll cover's 10 square.

 

[Kevin54]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

I really don't think it is coming through the tarpaper. I've used 15lb. paper for years and never have I had any leak. It sounds to me like you have missed some flashing somewhere. Did you re-sheet the roof or use what was existing? And do you have any pics of the roof itself on the outside? I know a water leak can be a pain in the patoot and one spot can let a lot of water in. It will also run down the rafters making it look larger than it actually is. Do you have a ridge cap on yet?

 

[darkk]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

It could have been a lot worse. Move everything before touching that ceiling, once you open it, it will most likely just collapse. Happened to me once already. The minute I touched it, the whole ceiling came down, took me right off the ladder down to my knees on the floor with everything on top. I was ok, but it could have been worse even for me. At least I didn't get hurt. Still *****. Good Luck...work fast!

 

[NUTTSGT]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

I bought two rolls of 30lb felt just a bit ago. I also made a run to get some more chimeny block, they didn't have enough last week when I went. I'd like to get the block up, cricket built and the 30 lb paper down but it's like 90 feaking degrees right now.

 

[NUTTSGT]

Re: Thought you were having a bad day ?

It could have been a lot worse. Move everything before touching that ceiling, once you open it, it will most likely just collapse. Happened to me once already. The minute I touched it, the whole ceiling came down, took me right off the ladder down to my knees on the floor with everything on top. I was ok, but it could have been worse even for me. At least I didn't get hurt. Still *****. Good Luck...work fast!

The ceiling that got wet has foil faced rigid insulation, it'll basicall allow the water to pool and run out. It won't crumble like drywall.

 

[NUTTSGT]

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The chimney has progressed above the roof line. It's not alot but enough so I could get started on the shingles.

Once the chimney passed the roof line, I put down new 30lb tar paper. I then nailed down starter shingles. I cut 3 tabs down instead of buying starter strip. I believe I mentioned previously about buying discontinued shingles and cutting them down.

Then I took a morning after doing some internet research and built a cricket to shed the water around the chimney.

It took some trial and error but I got it. Then came time to add some flashing. That took even more trial and error, more climbing up and down the ladder and a few of these. . . . . .and this is what I came up with.

 

[NUTTSGT]

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The last few days it's been in the mid 90's and hardly a cloud in the sky. I can work till about 10 am and the shingles are too hot. After about 6:30, the sun starts to break and I drag stuff back out and work for a bit longer.

Side shot of the cricket and chimney flashed.

Honestly, I would have finished last night but I ran out of shingles. Somewhere in the figuring I screwed up. I had the roof measured at 8.5 feet by 36. That yields just over 3 square of shingles. I picked up another bundle yesterday because I thought I was going to need it. I did and when I ran out, I measured the roof again. It's just under 11.5 feet. Where I came up with 8 1/2, I'm not sure but the figure stuck in my head as a 3 square roof. Even measuring for the drip edge, which I had right, I never caught the mistake. . . . . not a huge one, just a kick in the nads. :tard:

 

[Lewisthepilgrim]

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thats awesome. what made u go with ceramic liner inside the conrete blocks? wouldn't it have been cheaper/easier to just use metal?

 

[NUTTSGT]

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thats awesome. what made u go with ceramic liner inside the conrete blocks? wouldn't it have been cheaper/easier to just use metal?

It's been a practice around here for a while to use it. It's what was here prior to the one under construction and lasted for 31 years. I have no doubt this one should last just as long. It might even last longer as I'm going to use a precast cap on the top block vs. mortar.

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

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Really fun to watch this restoration come together; please keep up the great documentation!

I can't really tell from the picture of the flashing installed on the cricket, but isn't the flashing supposed to have only the upper edge buried beneath the upper course of shingle? I'd have thought there might be a moisture wicking problem even with the 'wings' of the cricket's flashing extending beneath the shingles to the side of the cricket.

Too bad about the roof size oops; if it's any consolation we've all had those moments. My uncle used to laughingly shout, "I've cut this damn board twice.... and it's still too short!"

 

[NUTTSGT]

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Really fun to watch this restoration come together; please keep up the great documentation!

I can't really tell from the picture of the flashing installed on the cricket, but isn't the flashing supposed to have only the upper edge buried beneath the upper course of shingle? I'd have thought there might be a moisture wicking problem even with the 'wings' of the cricket's flashing extending beneath the shingles to the side of the cricket.

Too bad about the roof size oops; if it's any consolation we've all had those moments. My uncle used to laughingly shout, "I've cut this damn board twice.... and it's still too short!"

Good point on the flashing. My thought was that I made it wide enough to act as a valley. I still have to put a "cut to fit" shingle on the exposed part yet. I was going to glue it on roof cement and try not to nail it. I was hoping the extra roof cement would help seal it, I'm not depending it as a sole sealer.

I'll keep an eye on it and see what happens. No offense but I hope you're wrong and I'm right.

 

[Mmfh]

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I just read through this entire thread, Man I've got to say I'm really impressed! This has got to be one of my favorites here. When I was younger I used to get after stuff like you are doing, I've just never had anything as cool as what you have to start with.

Really like what you've done to the house too! But the shop is really where my heart goes too. I think I can say in all honestly I wouldn't change a single thing!!

Nice job!

Mm

 

[NUTTSGT]

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I just read through this entire thread, Man I've got to say I'm really impressed! This has got to be one of my favorites here. When I was younger I used to get after stuff like you are doing, I've just never had anything as cool as what you have to start with.

Really like what you've done to the house too! But the shop is really where my heart goes too. I think I can say in all honestly I wouldn't change a single thing!!

Nice job!

Mm

Thank you for the compliment, it's greatly appreciated.

 

[NUTTSGT]

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Just finished screwing the old flashing dack down. So officially, the back roof is done and a few pics taken. I put two vents in, these should help evacuate some heat for the future.

Different angle. You can see the drain vent which doesn't have a vent pipe coming out of it. That will be done tomorrow. That will be for the exhaust for the blast cabinet. Currently, I have a small shop vac pulling the dust out of the cabinet. In the near future, I'll find a bigger shop vac to use. Previously, I had the exhaust run into the attic as a temp solution, not the best but it worked.

You might also notice the flashing at the wall edge. After I used step flashing, I ran another piece of flashing on top of it. I ran a couple beads of RTV silicone on the back of the flashing. Since it'll be a bit before I get it sided, I wanted to try to add some protection from any rain that might try to make it's way in.
I also covered the cricket with some shingles to make it blend in a bit better. You can see one of the pieces of rebar sticking out of the top of the block. There are two pieces between every joint. Like I said before, I'm not a mason, just a hack with a hammer. . . . . or a hack with a trowel while I'm doing the chimney.

 

[dittle fart around]

Re: garage refurb

Doesn't a chimney need to be 2 feet higher that the top of the roof to draw smoke? Have I missed something along the way?

 

[NUTTSGT]

Re: garage refurb

Doesn't a chimney need to be 2 feet higher that the top of the roof to draw smoke? Have I missed something along the way?

Yes, it does. I'm merely at a stopping point temporarily to get the back roof finished. Currrently, I have to more block to add and then another purchase to finish it up. Previously it was 23 block tall, I'll be adding an extra block to make it 24 tall. . . . 24 (block) x 8" = 192" = 16'. The front of the garage is 14', so that gives me 2' (block) plus the liner sticking up through the cap will yield a slight bit more.

 

[NUTTSGT]

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The back half of the garage had been added on many years ago

10 posts in thirteen minutes about 3 am, you appear to be a spammer.

 

[Dustoff 35]

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Nice work on everything, Eric. You may not be a "professional" mason or carpenter but your workmanship is excellent. I have found that we "amateurs" who are well researched and committed to doing it right usually turn out a higher quality end result than the "pros" do.

I really need to update my build thread...

 

[NUTTSGT]

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Nice work on everything, Eric. You may not be a "professional" mason or carpenter but your workmanship is excellent. I have found that we "amateurs" who are well researched and committed to doing it right usually turn out a higher quality end result than the "pros" do.

I really need to update my build thread...

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

 

[ed_v]

Re: garage refurb

Great job NUTTS. I've really enjoyed following this. Thank you so much for sharing with us.

There is someting I love about concrete block walls that I love.


Ed

 

[tinbender 66]

Re: garage refurb

It took some trial and error but I got it. Then came time to add some flashing. That took even more trial and error, more climbing up and down the ladder and a few of these. . . . . .and this is what I came up with.

That looks like a tinbender did it! FWIW, we would start with a bigger piece of metal so that the side flanges would be the same width top to bottom. We also always put the flanges under the roofing, be it metal or comp or whatever. Nice work!

 

[NUTTSGT]

Re: garage refurb

Great job NUTTS. I've really enjoyed following this. Thank you so much for sharing with us.

There is someting I love about concrete block walls that I love.


Ed

Thanks Ed, my plan for tomorrow is to lay up the two chimney block and another section of liner that I already have. I took today off but was thinking of taking some detailed pics of the block work so the guys here can see how I'm doing the chimney. I've tried to be as detailed as I can so I can help others learn as I learn myself. I wonder if my neighbors think I'm nuts when I take pics of my progress.

That looks like a tinbender did it! FWIW, we would start with a bigger piece of metal so that the side flanges would be the same width top to bottom. We also always put the flanges under the roofing, be it metal or comp or whatever. Nice work!

Thanks, but you're not going to file a grievance are you ? I used regular coil stock and it was only 24" wide to start. I could have got some galvanized from the neighbor, he's a one man plumbing/heating business. If I did that though, he'd have to bend it in his brake as I wouldn't want to use the siding brake and try to bend it.

 

[Vernmotor]

Re: garage refurb

Your doing a fine Job! great to see your still at it

 

[don long]

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Wow

I have spent the entire day reading your thread
All I can say is Wow you have the energy of a 30 year old
and the experience of a 65 year old
I am the latter and man am I tired, you have worn me out watching you work on this project.
I know how you pay attention to detail and you have earned all of our respect (we that are following your build)
Your craftmanship is supreme.

I want to say THANK YOU for sharring but it dosen't seem like it covers how I feel I truly enjoyed the read today

again thanks
Don

 

[NUTTSGT]

Re: garage refurb

Your doing a fine Job! great to see your still at it

Thank you, still at it slowly plugging away.