vonhef
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A great read NUTTS... thanks for sharing.
A great read NUTTS... thanks for sharing.
Above 1200 Sq/FT Garage Refurb®
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creativecars
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Great story... As big as this world is, there is always some of those home town moments that bring this life thing full circle.
Have a great day.
Great story... As big as this world is, there is always some of those home town moments that bring this life thing full circle.
Have a great day.
OP
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Thanks guys, I was hoping that others would enjoy it too.
Thanks guys, I was hoping that others would enjoy it too.
cbacres
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Eric,
I really enjoyed.
Thanks for posting
Eric,
I really enjoyed.
Thanks for posting
maddog1949
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You have done a fantastic job!
You have done a fantastic job!
OP
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Well, I guess Winter is rolling in and it's time to make a little update with a winter project.
The area above the woodshop side of my garage has a decently sized attic. I've used it to store car parts and a few other things. Nothing to heavy as I use a 8' step ladder to put the items up there. I found out years ago, when the place used to have a convience store, they must have had a rat problem. There is rat **** all over the insulation, tears, mouse/rat piss stains and about 75 years of dust (dirt) up there. Part of it has some type of flooring while part of it doesn't.
The original ceiling or attic floor joists are 2x6s (approximate 24"OC) with a 12' span. While it's not what I would have done, it's been ok since I've been here and it's going to make do as it has been. I started back a few months ago buying a mini-roll of R13 when I visited Menard's or HD as I'm doing this project on the cheap and more or less as a experiment.
A stack of supplies, R13 that I have gathered, the 1.5" Syrofoam and 1/2" OSB for the floor.
Some of the stored items that have to be moved from one end to the other. Mustang dash, air cleaner and some duct work that is leaving.
Well, I guess Winter is rolling in and it's time to make a little update with a winter project.
The area above the woodshop side of my garage has a decently sized attic. I've used it to store car parts and a few other things. Nothing to heavy as I use a 8' step ladder to put the items up there. I found out years ago, when the place used to have a convience store, they must have had a rat problem. There is rat **** all over the insulation, tears, mouse/rat piss stains and about 75 years of dust (dirt) up there. Part of it has some type of flooring while part of it doesn't.
The original ceiling or attic floor joists are 2x6s (approximate 24"OC) with a 12' span. While it's not what I would have done, it's been ok since I've been here and it's going to make do as it has been. I started back a few months ago buying a mini-roll of R13 when I visited Menard's or HD as I'm doing this project on the cheap and more or less as a experiment.
A stack of supplies, R13 that I have gathered, the 1.5" Syrofoam and 1/2" OSB for the floor.
Some of the stored items that have to be moved from one end to the other. Mustang dash, air cleaner and some duct work that is leaving.
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After moving stuff out of the way, I learned the hard way to wear a dust mask. I took about a ten minute break to cough and hack up some nasty brown ****. I rolled the old old insulation up, wrapped it with tape and stuffed it in a trash bag. Then i swept up as much dirt and rat **** that I could. Freaking nasty, I'm telling you.
Notice the newer pine boards and vent on the right, that is the front where I added the overhang.
The I started to add insulation. Between every joist, I put one section of R13 and another section that I cut lengthwise to acheive the correct width. Once that was in place, a piece of 1½ styrofoam was wedged on top and covered with OSB. I also filled in the top of the wall cavities to prevent heat from going up the wall and into the attic space.
After putting the osb down, I got paged out and spent about the next 12 hours in town on multiple house fires. It kept me from getting much more accomplished and I had some other stuff to do yesterday.
The biggest issue I'm going to have is getting the OSB up here as the attic access is limiting the size. I'm going to have to rip the sheets down to get them in.
After moving stuff out of the way, I learned the hard way to wear a dust mask. I took about a ten minute break to cough and hack up some nasty brown ****. I rolled the old old insulation up, wrapped it with tape and stuffed it in a trash bag. Then i swept up as much dirt and rat **** that I could. Freaking nasty, I'm telling you.
Notice the newer pine boards and vent on the right, that is the front where I added the overhang.
The I started to add insulation. Between every joist, I put one section of R13 and another section that I cut lengthwise to acheive the correct width. Once that was in place, a piece of 1½ styrofoam was wedged on top and covered with OSB. I also filled in the top of the wall cavities to prevent heat from going up the wall and into the attic space.
After putting the osb down, I got paged out and spent about the next 12 hours in town on multiple house fires. It kept me from getting much more accomplished and I had some other stuff to do yesterday.
The biggest issue I'm going to have is getting the OSB up here as the attic access is limiting the size. I'm going to have to rip the sheets down to get them in.
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Bob Heine
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You need a pretty large access hole to get a full 4'x8' sheet up there but if your access hole is still the one in the picture below, you may have to cut the sheets into pretty narrow strips.
When I had to do some structural repairs to the garage I added a pull-down ladder to a section that had no access hole at all. I was able to get 2'x8' sheets through the hole with no trouble.
Even if you don't want to spend money on the pull-down ladder right now, this might be a good time to expand the access hole to the rough-in size for adding one in the future. The rough-in size is 22.5" x 54" with a 58.5" diagonal. It might just be big enough to finagle a 4'x8' sheet of OSB through the opening.
You need a pretty large access hole to get a full 4'x8' sheet up there but if your access hole is still the one in the picture below, you may have to cut the sheets into pretty narrow strips.
When I had to do some structural repairs to the garage I added a pull-down ladder to a section that had no access hole at all. I was able to get 2'x8' sheets through the hole with no trouble.
Even if you don't want to spend money on the pull-down ladder right now, this might be a good time to expand the access hole to the rough-in size for adding one in the future. The rough-in size is 22.5" x 54" with a 58.5" diagonal. It might just be big enough to finagle a 4'x8' sheet of OSB through the opening.
OP
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That's one of the other attic access panels. The way this place was built and added on, it has 4 different attic areas. Below is the access I'm using, it's a little bit bigger but still not big enough to get a full 4x8 sheet in or out.
You need a pretty large access hole to get a full 4'x8' sheet up there but if your access hole is still the one in the picture below, you may have to cut the sheets into pretty narrow strips.
That's one of the other attic access panels. The way this place was built and added on, it has 4 different attic areas. Below is the access I'm using, it's a little bit bigger but still not big enough to get a full 4x8 sheet in or out.
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OP
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I considered this 1/6 of the way done.
As you can see, in low light, the camera doesn't take the best pictures.
This is some of the old flooring that I have taken out so far. It's just a mix of whatever and included and old door. You can also see some plywood that I had to cut up into pieces to get out.
I considered this 1/6 of the way done.
As you can see, in low light, the camera doesn't take the best pictures.This is some of the old flooring that I have taken out so far. It's just a mix of whatever and included and old door. You can also see some plywood that I had to cut up into pieces to get out.
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This is where I left it at today after several trips up and down the ladder. I have several misc Mustang parts stacked up in the corner including a nice factory nose for an '85-'86 GT.
Remember the nasty **** I said was up here, this is the cheap dust mask I've been wearing. That was a white mask when I started. While it may not be the correct mask for the application, it is knocking down about 95% of the dust.
This is where I left it at today after several trips up and down the ladder. I have several misc Mustang parts stacked up in the corner including a nice factory nose for an '85-'86 GT.
Remember the nasty **** I said was up here, this is the cheap dust mask I've been wearing. That was a white mask when I started. While it may not be the correct mask for the application, it is knocking down about 95% of the dust.
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dogtired78
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Amazing work. I love following this thread!
Amazing work. I love following this thread!
rixtrix1
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sreno
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Nice work, Eric! You're really transforming that space!
I don't agree with the 1/6th done, though.
With me, getting started is 1/2 the battle.
Shawn
Nice work, Eric! You're really transforming that space!
I don't agree with the 1/6th done, though.
With me, getting started is 1/2 the battle.
Shawn
sublime68charger
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Re: Garage Refurb
Nice work as always I'm up to page 25 of this thread so far just skipped up to the end to say so
Now back to page 25
Nice work as always I'm up to page 25 of this thread so far just skipped up to the end to say so
Now back to page 25
OP
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Thank you gentlemen.
Thanks Shawn.
Sometimes it's hard for me to get started especially when it's something I dread doing or spending the cash to do it. That was part of the reason I went with the mini-rolls of insulation. Buying one here and there for 10 bucks made it easier to buy it as I didn't miss that cash a few bucks at a time.
Thank you gentlemen.
Nice work, Eric! You're really transforming that space!
I don't agree with the 1/6th done, though.
With me, getting started is 1/2 the battle.
Shawn
Thanks Shawn.
Sometimes it's hard for me to get started especially when it's something I dread doing or spending the cash to do it. That was part of the reason I went with the mini-rolls of insulation. Buying one here and there for 10 bucks made it easier to buy it as I didn't miss that cash a few bucks at a time.
OP
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I finished up the re-insulating project today. I still need to rearrange some stuff up in the attic but that can wait for a few days.
This is looking towards the back of the garage. Yopu might notice two things, I added a strip of osb along the wall to partially cover up the fiberglass insulation. The second thing is between the wall studs. Not all the insulation in the walls came up to the attic area, just to the top of the ceiling. Since this was built ina manner similar to balloon framing, it allowed the wall cavity to be open to the cooler attic air. I decided to close it up in an attempt to that cold air from entering the walls. I cut a piece of stryofoam and placed it between the studs. Once I had them "stuffed," I closed the gap and egdes with some expanding foam. I know it's hard to see in the picture.
In this picture, you can see the rest of osb along the wall to keep stuff from getting pushed into the insulation. I can't really answer why some of the insulation is turned one way and the erst is the other. I guess I must have done it at different times or removed it to run wiring and stuck it back up like that.
After all this was done, I cleaned up the garage and made a trip to the landfill. This project made once heck of a mess.
I finished up the re-insulating project today. I still need to rearrange some stuff up in the attic but that can wait for a few days.
This is looking towards the back of the garage. Yopu might notice two things, I added a strip of osb along the wall to partially cover up the fiberglass insulation. The second thing is between the wall studs. Not all the insulation in the walls came up to the attic area, just to the top of the ceiling. Since this was built ina manner similar to balloon framing, it allowed the wall cavity to be open to the cooler attic air. I decided to close it up in an attempt to that cold air from entering the walls. I cut a piece of stryofoam and placed it between the studs. Once I had them "stuffed," I closed the gap and egdes with some expanding foam. I know it's hard to see in the picture.
In this picture, you can see the rest of osb along the wall to keep stuff from getting pushed into the insulation. I can't really answer why some of the insulation is turned one way and the erst is the other. I guess I must have done it at different times or removed it to run wiring and stuck it back up like that.
After all this was done, I cleaned up the garage and made a trip to the landfill. This project made once heck of a mess.
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vonhef
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It will be interesting to see how much differance you will notice in the comfort of your space with the added insulation.
It will be interesting to see how much differance you will notice in the comfort of your space with the added insulation.
OP
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While it hasn't been terribly cold yet, this morning it was 55°. Generally after coming home from a 24 hour shift, it ranges from 48-52° depending on weather and how long I burned the night before I worked.
So far, I'm hoping this is an indicator in the right direction for the residual temperature. While I've been out there working the last couple of days while work was in progress and since being done, it does seem to heat easier too.
I have a thermometer with an LCD display, I generally use that as a judgement call when to add a log into the wood burner.
While it hasn't been terribly cold yet, this morning it was 55°. Generally after coming home from a 24 hour shift, it ranges from 48-52° depending on weather and how long I burned the night before I worked.
So far, I'm hoping this is an indicator in the right direction for the residual temperature. While I've been out there working the last couple of days while work was in progress and since being done, it does seem to heat easier too.
I have a thermometer with an LCD display, I generally use that as a judgement call when to add a log into the wood burner.
luke7734
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Hey every degree counts.. especially if we get into another winter like last year.. ps. Have you seen the Mopar Mill on here yet? You'll need to check it out.. talk about a sweet repurposed building. Well it will be..
Hey every degree counts.. especially if we get into another winter like last year.. ps. Have you seen the Mopar Mill on here yet? You'll need to check it out.. talk about a sweet repurposed building. Well it will be..
Rodney Schultz
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Thank you for your excellent pictorial progress posting. (Just as hard to type as it is to say!). It's been a week long read, and most enjoyable. Love the refurb threads rather than the no bucks held back mega builds. With tongue in cheek I say you really should spend some more time with your wife! I don't know how you accomplish so much, but I guess with most of two days off in between working, substantial progress could be made.
Thanks again for documenting your projects so well!
Thank you for your excellent pictorial progress posting. (Just as hard to type as it is to say!). It's been a week long read, and most enjoyable. Love the refurb threads rather than the no bucks held back mega builds. With tongue in cheek I say you really should spend some more time with your wife! I don't know how you accomplish so much, but I guess with most of two days off in between working, substantial progress could be made.
Thanks again for documenting your projects so well!
OP
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I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the heads up.
BTW, what's the deal with the steeple getting taken off of that church over there ?
Thanks for the compliments. I do spend time with the wife. . . sometimes.
Serioulsy though, my work schedule does allow me to get stuff done. Yet, there are times that being called for OT (working another 24 hr shift) or getting paged in for a emergency has halted progress or made it difficult. She understands, it's my job (shes was dispatcher for 10 years before becoming the Admin Asst for the Sheriff) and she understands that things change, it's a 24/7 job. Whether I'm working in the garage or at work, she can either come out to see me or come to the firehouse and eat supper.
I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the heads up.
BTW, what's the deal with the steeple getting taken off of that church over there ?
Thanks for the compliments. I do spend time with the wife. . . sometimes.
Serioulsy though, my work schedule does allow me to get stuff done. Yet, there are times that being called for OT (working another 24 hr shift) or getting paged in for a emergency has halted progress or made it difficult. She understands, it's my job (shes was dispatcher for 10 years before becoming the Admin Asst for the Sheriff) and she understands that things change, it's a 24/7 job. Whether I'm working in the garage or at work, she can either come out to see me or come to the firehouse and eat supper.
Vernmotor
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Well He does..She come out the garage and see's him ! lol
Well He does..She come out the garage and see's him ! lol
luke7734
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That church is in pretty bad shape.. Roof was leaking. . Allowing moisture in the stone, causing it to freeze and crumble the mortar joints.. literally destroying the church from the inside out. So they're disassembling it piece by piece.. to rebuild it.. that's the word on the street.I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the heads up.
BTW, what's the deal with the steeple getting taken off of that church over there ?
Thanks for the compliments. I do spend time with the wife. . . sometimes.
Serioulsy though, my work schedule does allow me to get stuff done. Yet, there are times that being called for OT (working another 24 hr shift) or getting paged in for a emergency has halted progress or made it difficult. She understands, it's my job (shes was dispatcher for 10 years before becoming the Admin Asst for the Sheriff) and she understands that things change, it's a 24/7 job. Whether I'm working in the garage or at work, she can either come out to see me or come to the firehouse and eat supper.
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OP
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Wow, It looked liek a PITA taking it apart like they did, I can't imagine putting it back up. I hope they numbered or marked everything where it goes. I'd guess they'll wait till Spring to start putting it back up.
Thanks for the heads up on the Mopar Mill, it definitely looks like a great build in progress.
Wow, It looked liek a PITA taking it apart like they did, I can't imagine putting it back up. I hope they numbered or marked everything where it goes. I'd guess they'll wait till Spring to start putting it back up.
Thanks for the heads up on the Mopar Mill, it definitely looks like a great build in progress.
rparlee
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Nutts - Great job on everything I've seen in/on your garage! I wish I had that much space - some day!
I had to do the same thing with the OSB in my attic space -rip it down to 2'x8' to get it through the attic hatch.
After reading your thread and LLWilly's Concrete Underground, I really need to re-live the building of my garage and get all my pics posted up.
One question though -- why the PVC pipe for the blast cabinet exhaust and not ABS? PVC can deteriorate over time in the sunlight.
Nutts - Great job on everything I've seen in/on your garage! I wish I had that much space - some day!
I had to do the same thing with the OSB in my attic space -rip it down to 2'x8' to get it through the attic hatch.
After reading your thread and LLWilly's Concrete Underground, I really need to re-live the building of my garage and get all my pics posted up.
One question though -- why the PVC pipe for the blast cabinet exhaust and not ABS? PVC can deteriorate over time in the sunlight.
sublime68charger
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Re: Garage Refurb
Great job I finally made it to the end of this thread think it took me 2weeks or better
Very nice makeover of your space!!!
Great job I finally made it to the end of this thread think it took me 2weeks or better
Very nice makeover of your space!!!
OP
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Thanks for the compliments.
ABS is starting to get harder to find around here and everybody is using PVC for their drain/waste/vents so I figured it work. It there's an issue, It's only a small section exposed to the direct sunlight, I can swap it out in a few minutes time.
Thanks for the compliments.
ABS is starting to get harder to find around here and everybody is using PVC for their drain/waste/vents so I figured it work. It there's an issue, It's only a small section exposed to the direct sunlight, I can swap it out in a few minutes time.
OP
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I've been trying to figure out where to store some steel in my garage. Currently, it's in the back room by the compressor standing up in the corner. I wanted some type of horizontal rack by my wall space is lacking the way my garage is laid out.
I've been racking (no pun intended) my brain trying to figure out a location, then it just came to me. How about overhead out of the way ?
First order of business, take down the Unocal streamer flag, they seemed to add clutter to the walls and will not be going back up. I also temporarily took down a fluorescent light.
EDIT: I guess I might add that I will be using my overhead beam for the storage area. Using the bottom web along with some arms (pics below) will give me a area about 8.5" wide x 12' long. It'sa not huge but mostly what I use is smaller angle and sq tube.
I've been trying to figure out where to store some steel in my garage. Currently, it's in the back room by the compressor standing up in the corner. I wanted some type of horizontal rack by my wall space is lacking the way my garage is laid out.
I've been racking (no pun intended) my brain trying to figure out a location, then it just came to me. How about overhead out of the way ?
First order of business, take down the Unocal streamer flag, they seemed to add clutter to the walls and will not be going back up. I also temporarily took down a fluorescent light.
EDIT: I guess I might add that I will be using my overhead beam for the storage area. Using the bottom web along with some arms (pics below) will give me a area about 8.5" wide x 12' long. It'sa not huge but mostly what I use is smaller angle and sq tube.
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I bought some 1" angle steel and cut it to size along with some square tubing. A couple pieces were reclaimed from a previous project. I'm going to incoproate them into hang the light back up.
Even though they will be about 7' up, I took the corners off the angle iron.
I bought some 1" angle steel and cut it to size along with some square tubing. A couple pieces were reclaimed from a previous project. I'm going to incoproate them into hang the light back up.
Even though they will be about 7' up, I took the corners off the angle iron.
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Next up, broke out the Hobart and started to weld the pieces together.
All welded up and ready to be welded in place to the beam.
I'm just in a holding pattern right now as I'm waiting on a call from the fab shop for the rest of my steel, namely expanded metal.
Next up, broke out the Hobart and started to weld the pieces together.
All welded up and ready to be welded in place to the beam.
I'm just in a holding pattern right now as I'm waiting on a call from the fab shop for the rest of my steel, namely expanded metal.
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dave67fd
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Eric,
Your space is looking really great. You should be commended. Keep up the good work and keep us entertained.
Eric,
Your space is looking really great. You should be commended. Keep up the good work and keep us entertained.
rmalkow2
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Is there any structural/building code issue with welding directly to that beam?
Is there any structural/building code issue with welding directly to that beam?
OP
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Thank you greatly.
No, no building codes that I need to worry about. I won't be putting that much weight on it anyways. Between the rack itself and the steel I'll have on hand, it'll be less than 150-175 lbs easily. I put more weight on it when I hang on it and do a pull up.
Thank you greatly.
No, no building codes that I need to worry about. I won't be putting that much weight on it anyways. Between the rack itself and the steel I'll have on hand, it'll be less than 150-175 lbs easily. I put more weight on it when I hang on it and do a pull up.
black banshee
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Nice job
It takes 2 hours to read the post
Nice job
It takes 2 hours to read the post
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rixtrix1
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( quote) No, no building codes that I need to worry about. I won't be putting that much weight on it anyways. Between the rack itself and the steel I'll have on hand, it'll be less than 150-175 lbs easily. I put more weight on it when I hang on it and do a pull up.
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This struck me as very funny somehow, but one doesn't usually think about things as stressing a beam or such when you hang from it, just because it's there.
( quote) No, no building codes that I need to worry about. I won't be putting that much weight on it anyways. Between the rack itself and the steel I'll have on hand, it'll be less than 150-175 lbs easily. I put more weight on it when I hang on it and do a pull up.
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This struck me as very funny somehow, but one doesn't usually think about things as stressing a beam or such when you hang from it, just because it's there.
don long
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Eric
Just stopped by to let you know that I have enjoyed watching you transform your old garage into a great work place.
Thank you for sharing and for your visits to my thread
Have a happy new year
Don
Eric
Just stopped by to let you know that I have enjoyed watching you transform your old garage into a great work place.
Thank you for sharing and for your visits to my thread
Have a happy new year
Don
BuickFarmer
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Re: garage refurb
I just made your old stove picture a screen saver and I swear it made the room 10* warmer. Everybody should try it!!!!
Spent a few minutes catching up on this redo job of your wonderful old service station garage. I have read some of the more recent posts but nit wit me never realized it is what it is.
Gotta say too that yours garage is one of the most comfortable looking (and warmest) garages I've visited on the forum. Not to small, not to big...jus right.
Subscribed now!!!
I just made your old stove picture a screen saver and I swear it made the room 10* warmer. Everybody should try it!!!!
Spent a few minutes catching up on this redo job of your wonderful old service station garage. I have read some of the more recent posts but nit wit me never realized it is what it is.
Gotta say too that yours garage is one of the most comfortable looking (and warmest) garages I've visited on the forum. Not to small, not to big...jus right.
Subscribed now!!!
OP
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Thank you for the compliments.
I always figured it was like open trusses in a garage. People worry about putting a few things up there, spreading the weight across 3 or 4 of them. How many times do people jump and hang from them ? I bet just about every one of us have done it atleast once.
Thanks Don and Happy New Year to you. I'll admit, I need to get back to your thread and catch up.
Thank you, I appreciate the gracious compliment. Not to big, not to small. Some friends think it's huge but I tend to disagree with them and wish the garage portion was about 4' wider. I guess what makes it work for me is that I continually try to evolve on the layout of it.
Nice job
It takes 2 hours to read the post
Thank you for the compliments.
I always figured it was like open trusses in a garage. People worry about putting a few things up there, spreading the weight across 3 or 4 of them. How many times do people jump and hang from them ? I bet just about every one of us have done it atleast once.
Thanks Don and Happy New Year to you. I'll admit, I need to get back to your thread and catch up.
I just made your old stove picture a screen saver and I swear it made the room 10* warmer. Everybody should try it!!!!
Spent a few minutes catching up on this redo job of your wonderful old service station garage. I have read some of the more recent posts but nit wit me never realized it is what it is.
Gotta say too that yours garage is one of the most comfortable looking (and warmest) garages I've visited on the forum. Not to small, not to big...jus right.
Subscribed now!!!
Thank you, I appreciate the gracious compliment. Not to big, not to small. Some friends think it's huge but I tend to disagree with them and wish the garage portion was about 4' wider. I guess what makes it work for me is that I continually try to evolve on the layout of it.