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Thinking about having one installed

What's the going price for this service, ball park

Best to install the plug outside or anyone have the plug in their garage?
 
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Current house, plug is in the garage and I run the cord under the door. Having it outside wasn't of benefit and it was nice to not have to drill a hole and mount something.

Price will depend on complexity, location, and equipment. An interlock is very simple, maybe several hundred for the equipment and labor. A 6-12 circuit transfer will be probably triple that?

Permits can add cost and time as well
 

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My plug is in the garage, but the cord comes from the outside thru pet door when in use.

If I were an Electrician, I would NOT put the plug in the garage, too much temptation for the current or future homeowner to run the generator in the garage and kill themselves and others.


I wired my own, it wasn't hard, but the current trend seems to be if you have a newer panel is to do an interlock transfer breaker in the panel. I'm not quite sold on that because every idiot homeowner is going to try to run the whole house on 3500 watts, they are not going to shut off non essential circuits.

One thing I did, and consult a licensed electrician before attempting, was I put a light fixture over the transfer switch , fed off the gen feed before it hit the panel.

As soon as I get the generator running, that light comes on ( I use a LED for low power consumption) and when I go to the basement to throw switches I have light going down the stairs.

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I would try an interlock but do not have any open slots in my 200a panel

I would also like the plug mounted in the garage, less wiring and no additional holes in the siding

Would be cool though to have the plug in my 3 seasons room
 

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Can you put a few circuits on tandems to free up two spaces? Will be a lot cheaper than a separate transfer panel
 

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Interlock ! Much cheaper and cheaper to install. Plus, no decisions on which circuits to protect and which NOT to protect. If you leave everything on, worse case is you will trip the interlock breaker.

Neggy - I have never seen that many 240V circuits in a residence !
 

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This my lock out installed by the past owner. The lock out is on stand alone breaker box with critical circuits. Furnace, well, septic pump, refrigeration were covered. No chance of powering the whole home or the back feeding to the neighbor hood.B5FF5F34-C7DC-4A9C-95AE-3970C50BC4DE.jpeg

I never used this option but it’s still there. As the power rarely goes out now.…….neighbors say it was a big issue 10-15 years back.
 

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This my lock out installed by the past owner. The lock out is on stand alone breaker box with critical circuits. Furnace, well, septic pump, refrigeration were covered. No chance of powering the whole home ...
Who ever installed t.hat missed the whole point of an interlock. It is supposed to be installed on the MAIN panel. This reduces costs and let's you CHOOSE, at the time of the power outage, what circuits you want to power.
 

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Who ever installed t.hat missed the whole point of an interlock. It is supposed to be installed on the MAIN panel. This reduces costs and let's you CHOOSE, at the time of the power outage, what circuits you want to power.
That interlock looks fine to me, There is no way the main back fed breaker and the back fed breaker from the generator can both be on at the same time. The generator will just power the circuits in that panel.
 
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Interlock ! Much cheaper and cheaper to install. Plus, no decisions on which circuits to protect and which NOT to protect. If you leave everything on, worse case is you will trip the interlock breaker.
Exactly. I had a transfer panel at my old place. More expensive, more complex and not nearly as flexible. New place I did the interlock.
 

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Who ever installed t.hat missed the whole point of an interlock. It is supposed to be installed on the MAIN panel. This reduces costs and let's you CHOOSE, at the time of the power outage, what circuits you want to power.
The main box is right next this box.
Lock out on the main 200 amp breaker….?
The guy that installed ( prior owner) was an engineer at Wisconsin Public Service (the electric and gas utility serving Wisconsin and Michigan). He had a plan, the rest of the system including light plan for the entire home was very detailed.
 
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Could I install an interlock in my garage 100a sub panel......to feed back the main 200a panel?

I have one open slot in the sub panel
 

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Could I install an interlock in my garage 100a sub panel......to feed back the main 200a panel?

I have one open slot in the sub panel.
Nope. It has to be installed in the main and in a position so that either the main breaker is on and the generator breaker is off or vice-versa.
 

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Could I install an interlock in my garage 100a sub panel......to feed back the main 200a panel?

I have one open slot in the sub panel
The point of an interlock is to stop feeding power out to the street and killing a linesman. Transformers work the other way too, so your 240v generator will step up to the higher voltage that the lines carry.
 

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All major brands of panels sell tandems. Quick and easy to install (unless the box is already full of tandems).
Tandems will only install in panels that will accept them. Not all panels and not all spaces will let a tandem be installed. some have a notch in the buss, others like Square D QO and Eaton CH are a little different. A panel is listed only for so many circuits, it is a violation to exceed that number. I understand they make the "cheater" style tandems, but you should still not exceed the maximum circuit rating. Your newer panels will have it on the label if tandems are accepted.
 
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Tandems will only install in panels that will accept them. Not all panels and not all spaces will let a tandem be installed. some have a notch in the buss, others like Square D QO and Eaton CH are a little different. A panel is listed only for so many circuits, it is a violation to exceed that number. I understand they make the "cheater" style tandems, but you should still not exceed the maximum circuit rating. Your newer panels will have it on the label if tandems are accepted.
IANAE, but I have not run into any panels that will not accept SOME tandems. May be a limited number. Last time I needed to add tandems, the limit was 4 and that was exactly what I needed !
 

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Here are two 200 amp panels. The fist will not except tandems. 40 space - 40 circuit

The second will except tandems. 40 space - 60 circuit. The bottom 20 spaces will except them.
 

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IANAE, but I have not run into any panels that will not accept SOME tandems. May be a limited number. Last time I needed to add tandems, the limit was 4 and that was exactly what I needed !


Virtually the entire installed base of Cutler-Hammer/Eaton CH loadcenters, is not listed to accept twin breakers, they will plug in anywhere, but only a few are listed for their use, can easily tell when they are not.
 
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Here is the main Square D 200amp load center

I have a Square D 100amp sub panel in the garage
 

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Looking at these again.

Wondering how many watts and circuits

Sump pump, fridge in kitchen, freezer in basement, fridge in basement, and furnace?
 

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So no 240v? I bet a 3000w inverter more than covers the running load, but you could run into problems if multiple things kick on at the same time.

Could do a pair of 3k inverters. If would give you flexibility to just run one at times, or both if needed
 

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Looking at these again.

Wondering how many watts and circuits

Sump pump, fridge in kitchen, freezer in basement, fridge in basement, and furnace?
For $300 you can get the kit with the transfer panel and the outside hookup ... there are inline calculators. The pump is the only big user in the list you have
 
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I have a very nice Troy Bilt 5000w/6250w portable generator with a 14.50 hp Briggs, that I will be using for hookup

5 gallon tank and electric start

It has 110v and 220v hookup
 

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I have a very nice Troy Bilt 5000w/6250w portable generator with a 14.50 hp Briggs, that I will be using for hookup

5 gallon tank and electric start

It has 110v and 220v hookup
So why are you asking how many watts? I'm confused
 
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I thought transfer switches were rated in watts, in terms of what they can handle
 

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I thought transfer switches were rated in watts, in terms of what they can handle
The inlet plug is really what does that and the default is 30a @240v, which covers the majority of portable generators.

Determine the number of circuits you need, then buy the transfer switch.

Or do an interlock, which is way way easier and cheaper
 

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Who ever installed t.hat missed the whole point of an interlock. It is supposed to be installed on the MAIN panel. This reduces costs and let's you CHOOSE, at the time of the power outage, what circuits you want to power.
Not really. Nothing says this has to be on the main panel. I did the same thing in a small sub panel. In retrospect the main panel would be more flexible but that was 18 years ago and the availability of panel interlocks was limited. Works fine and supplies ESSENTIAL loads.
 

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Could I install an interlock in my garage 100a sub panel......to feed back the main 200a panel?

I have one open slot in the sub panel
The interlock has to be in the same panel that supplies the loads you want to run off the generator. If you do it to the garage panel you will only power the garage panel and not feed back to the main panel. The whole point of an interlock is to not allow power to be fed upstream to the source for the panel.
 

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Thinking about having one installed

What's the going price for this service, ball park

Best to install the plug outside or anyone have the plug in their garage?
A friend just had a generator install (20kw) quoted from Costco. They said $11k-$15k for the install of transfer and generator. That's the highest I've seen, but there is a lot of demand.

Installing a transfer switch on my "main" for a big generator - transfer switch was about $800 (automated). How much it cost to install is really a function of how accessible your main is.... I'd say it's an all day job, so $500-$1000 in labor plus various materials.


What you may want is an interlock with a generator inlet. These guys make interlocks for all sorts of panels, under $200:
https://interlockkit.com/ - You need a feed... And your panel to the right "configuration" for all of it.
 

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You should check what the AHJ allows. I didn't have an issue with doing a breaker interlock but I think some places don't allow them. Cost also depends on if you want to do it yourself or not. Again, some locations will let you but others require electricians to install the breaker panels and/or generator interlocks.
 

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You should check what the AHJ allows. I didn't have an issue with doing a breaker interlock but I think some places don't allow them. Cost also depends on if you want to do it yourself or not. Again, some locations will let you but others require electricians to install the breaker panels and/or generator interlocks.

We just did one in Michigan. Apparently the local AHJ will allow an interlock, but requires a load calculation and then requires that the generator used has enough power for the entire structure.... Which, of course, most portable generators don't have...

I'm not going to disclose what we did "anyway".
 

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We just did one in Michigan. Apparently the local AHJ will allow an interlock, but requires a load calculation and then requires that the generator used has enough power for the entire structure.... Which, of course, most portable generators don't have...

I'm not going to disclose what we did "anyway".
sounds like theyre confusing the code that requires that for ATSs
 

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Tandems will only install in panels that will accept them. Not all panels and not all spaces will let a tandem be installed. some have a notch in the buss, others like Square D QO and Eaton CH are a little different. A panel is listed only for so many circuits, it is a violation to exceed that number. I understand they make the "cheater" style tandems, but you should still not exceed the maximum circuit rating. Your newer panels will have it on the label if tandems are accepted.
The vast majority the installed base of Eaton CH panels are not made nor listed for twin breakers, although they will plug in anywhere, if they flop around on the lug end then they are not made for that panel or that position in the panel .
 
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Reliance Control Corporation WKPBN30 Portable Generator Through-The-Wall PWR Transfer Kit, EMW3790037​




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