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Anyone else seen these or know anything about them? I believe they are genuine fake Sears Craftsman metric offset wrenches. Sears never stamped their tools "Sears" or "made in Japan" or "Drop Forged BF Japan" did they? Weird. Picked them up at a garage sale for $10, they work well and I like the smaller sizes for working on my vintage Honda Motorcycles.
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They remind of a shop I saw in Turkey.
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Legit. I have some Sears marked Made in Japan wrenches.

They aren't Craftsman, however, just one of their less expensive lines, like Companion or Evolv.
 
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The key word is Craftsman, it is missing. Sears had a line up of cheap imported tools in the 90's at least. As an extremely poor 20 something, I went into Sears to buy a pair of sidecutters. I could not afford Cman, so I bought Sears. The salesman was very quick to point out they were not Cman and did not have a lifetime warranty.
 
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Great, thanks all! So they are Sears but not Craftsman. Any idea of year they were made?
 

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I have a set of "craftsman" not the sears you have,combination wrenches marked Japan from the 80's and they seem to be great. I have had them that long

Gary
 

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I have some Sears wrenches also. Mine are made in USA. Your Japan made "Sears" wrench must have been made when Craftsman tools were also made in Japan.
 

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My dad has a few sears marked sockets in his home box. And I belive they say japan. Just a seears brand tool I would guess.
 

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I have a handful of random Sears wrenches and sockets from USA, Japan and even Taiwan. All have held up fine from my father, to my older brother to me over the years. Even the cheaper Taiwan 12pt metric sockets have been fine all these years with no failures. They just have some light internal rust I'm about to take care of with some EvapoRust.
 

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I have a set of "craftsman" not the sears you have,combination wrenches marked Japan from the 80's and they seem to be great. I have had them that long

Gary



Yep, me too.

They look *almost* exactly like most of the USA Made Cman combo wrenches I have seen, but the finish is slightly different. They are very well made.



So, for those who know about Sears and tools, where does the "Companion" brand fit in with Cman and Sears branded stuff? I thought it was a recent addition, but I've seen some really old looking Companion tools at flea markets that appear to be really well made.
 

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My original set of SAE wrenches and 3/8 drive sockets were Sears Brand. This would have been in the early 80's and they were COO Taiwan. Still using them.

I did upgrade to an SK Ratchet but they are fine for my homeowner needs.

I'm not clear if Evolve has replaced Sears as the "line name" for they low end tool.

Jim
 

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Yep. I had some of the SAE version. As stated, they were the lower line sold by Sears back in the 80's. They are perfectly good tools, just not C-Man quality. Mine were stolen years ago when my box was stolen from my car.
 

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Great, thanks all! So they are Sears but not Craftsman. Any idea of year they were made?

Late 70's early 80's.

Craftsman branded tools back in those days when adjusted for inflation, were kinda pricey so they carried value lines like this and Companion. Today, it would be their evolv line. Also, the warranty was probably only a 1 year one with a receipt.
 

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Got a couple pair of vice grips that are sears brand, they're pretty sturdy but there is a difference.
 

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The Japanese made stuff seems to be good quality. I've got a couple random Craftsman Japan made wrenches, seem to be same quality as US made ones.
 
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Those are legit, i've got some "SEARS" adjustable wrenches and box ends just like that, they work great too, IIRC i think i broke one a long long time ago and exchanged it at sears, no questions asked...
 

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I have a few Japanese Sears and Craftsman tools. I also traded in broken Sears pliers for Craftsman pliers.
 

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My Grandpapa's metric 3/8 Sears Japan ratchet set made it to me about ten years ago and it has been a tough toolset. I don't have any problems with the quality..I love it!
 

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I've got a pipe wrench marked the same way.

Does anyone know if old sears stuff Carries the same lifetime warranty?

For those of you interested, I went to the local sears this week to attempt to order a pin for the lower jaw of this pipe wrench. After getting a blank stare from the young girl behind the counter she called over one of the old timers. He insisted that it was covered under the warranty. I told him I just need the pin and would like to buy it, but he was having no part of that. I came home with a new craftsman pipe wrench despite my honest and best attempt to do otherwise. The purchase even qualified for the random CODE 2 which requires manager oversight. She said it was just to ensure good customer service and make sure the employees are doing their job. The manager looked over the transaction, asked how everything was, and scanned his card. Maybe they are covered? Or maybe the dept manager and the guy above just dont know?

Either way, its one of the few times Ive had a good experience in there recently.....until I went to pick up my order of 2 garden hoses which were pretty much thrown at me without a bag or a "have a nice day" from the jackass working customer pick-up.
 
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I've got a pipe wrench marked the same way.

Does anyone know if old sears stuff Carries the same lifetime warranty?

According to a few posts in this thread - no warranty. However, I was able to warranty "Sears" pliers.
 

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Around 1980-81 I purchased two sets of Sears made in Japan metric wrenches. A set of Double Open End and a set of Double Box End. Great wrenches that, other than being rather short in length (which is both an advantage and disadvantage, depending on the situation) they have served me with distinction. I've actually been on the hunt for some more of the made in Japan stuff. By the 80s, the japanese tools were, for the most part, high quality stuff. Fuller Tools and Truecraft also imported japanese made tools that are surprisingly high quality.
 

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I have a set of Cman RP 12 pt. combo Japanese wrenches.
Missing the 7/16 & 1/2. Anyone interested in a trade?
 

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I have that same set you just bought they have been put thru the ringer andare still holding up and amazingly still lookin good.
 

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I have quite a few Crafty tools from Japan and they are good tools. Have a few Sears tools that seem to be good too.

Pic of the Craftsman raised panels with BF Japan markings
 

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Sears has used a whole string of "sub" Craftsman names over the years (It's all about marketing):

Fulton was Pre craftsman, Driver & Challenger (Compressors) in the 20's, Companion in the 30's and again in the 80's or so, Commander (again, Compressors) in the 30's, Dunlap in the 40's and 50's and Sears off and on throughout. I think you can get some things "Sears" today.

Only Craftsman had the "lifetime" warranty.
 

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Sears has used a whole string of "sub" Craftsman names over the years (It's all about marketing):

Fulton was Pre craftsman, Driver & Challenger (Compressors) in the 20's, Companion in the 30's and again in the 80's or so, Commander (again, Compressors) in the 30's, Dunlap in the 40's and 50's and Sears off and on throughout. I think you can get some things "Sears" today.

Only Craftsman had the "lifetime" warranty.
I know companion was in the late 90s early 2000s as well. I still have a couple pairs pliers laying around somewhere. Decent set for the money once you lock-tighted the nuts on so they would quit backing off. One of my first tool sets I bought as a teenager.

I asked about the warranty because I broke the pin the holds the lower jaw on and would like to get a new pin. The wrench has some sentimental value and I dont want to trash it, but I dont want to hand it over either. Im kinda hoping they still make a similar wrench andI can buy parts if they are still available
 

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I have a complete set 1/4" 3/8" and 1/2" drives with 6 wrenches and a 1/4" drive handle in a gray case, made in Taiwan. That the company gave me 25 years ago still use it most every day . Lotta stuff that was on specials was from oversees. Course the latches broke off years ago and it's wrapped with a strechy cord now
 

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Yep. I had some of the SAE version. As stated, they were the lower line sold by Sears back in the 80's. They are perfectly good tools, just not C-Man quality. Mine were stolen years ago when my box was stolen from my car.

I've inherited a couple of the "Sears" Adjustables myself...if those were considered lower quality, its proof that overall sears/Cman quality has declined to the point of being junk.
Those old "Sears" adjustables are still working EXCELLENT 25+ years later...WAY nicer action then the current day Craftsmans. I once saw a Craftsman adjustable wrench set in the clearance section...bought em so I would have a complete matched set in my toolbox with the intention of putting the Sears and the other odd ball adjustables in the vehicles for emergency use....ended up the Sears stayed in my toolbox and the brand new CMans are under the back seat of my truck and in the trunk of her car...
 
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Anyone else seen these or know anything about them? I believe they are genuine fake Sears Craftsman metric offset wrenches. Sears never stamped their tools "Sears" or "made in Japan" or "Drop Forged BF Japan" did they? Weird. Picked them up at a garage sale for $10, they work well and I like the smaller sizes for working on my vintage Honda Motorcycles.
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These are completely legit. They're intended to be a budget alternative to Craftsman.

I've posted this info in a few other places, but thought I'd repeat it here by revising this relevant thread. Plus, new information seems to always come up with the more examples I see having either the original pouch or the metal holders with labels so you can see the particular age logo on them. What I've found so far:

Sometime in the late 1940s to early 1950s, Sears awarded its contract for making its budget recessed handle end wrenches to Lectrolite Corp (LC). LC used its Tru-Fit budget wrench design as the model, changing the markings for Sears. LC made these for other customers, including quite a volume having no brand name at all that chains could sell with their own branded or unbranded packaging. You see them everywhere in pawn shops, garage sales and flea markets. Many have the forged LC mark, some do not. Very similar to the mountains of what are clearly Indestro end wrenches but that are just marked Select Steel. The LC are recognized by the straight-edged acute joint where the box meets the shank.

These were marked Dunlap until around 1958 when the name was changed to just plain SEARS.

In 1962, S-K and LC were sold to Wayne Industries. It appears at this time that Wayne ended production of its TruFit line and all its contract versions, including SEARS. Sears then contracted these wrenches (and subsequently many other tools including some vises) to an as-yet to be identified Japan mfr identified by the BF mark. I suspect Wayne gave them the go-ahead to use the old TruFit design because these early BF JAPAN wrenches are exact counterfeits of the LC wrenches. Based on examples I've seen and reports like this thread, production of BF JAPAN wrenches persisted into the early 1980s, when I presume it was switched over to Taiwan.

At some point in BF production, the design was changed from the old TruFit model to a more generic geometry, as is the case with the OP wrenches.

A mystery that still remains for me is that sometime during this time period from 1962 to early 1980s, Sears also revived its old Companion brand name originally dropped from its end wrenches sometime in the late 1930s - early 1940s. Trouble is, COMPANION marked wrenches seem to parallel the SEARS marked wrenches. While the COMPANION are less common, I've seen examples both in the LC TruFit design and with date-able packaging being produced concurrently with the SEARS marked wrenches. Still don't know what's the story behind this, as it doesn't look as if one name completely superseded the other.

Anyway, that's what I have on them so far.
 

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DT from another Craftsman ID thread and my own notes:

BF = probably Daido, possibly KTC, some USA made but predominantly Japanese made, ca. 1969 - 1987
 

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I've got a pipe wrench marked the same way.

Does anyone know if old sears stuff Carries the same lifetime warranty?

For those of you interested, I went to the local sears this week to attempt to order a pin for the lower jaw of this pipe wrench. After getting a blank stare from the young girl behind the counter she called over one of the old timers. He insisted that it was covered under the warranty. I told him I just need the pin and would like to buy it, but he was having no part of that. I came home with a new craftsman pipe wrench despite my honest and best attempt to do otherwise. The purchase even qualified for the random CODE 2 which requires manager oversight. She said it was just to ensure good customer service and make sure the employees are doing their job. The manager looked over the transaction, asked how everything was, and scanned his card. Maybe they are covered? Or maybe the dept manager and the guy above just dont know?

Either way, its one of the few times Ive had a good experience in there recently.....until I went to pick up my order of 2 garden hoses which were pretty much thrown at me without a bag or a "have a nice day" from the jackass working customer pick-up.
Looks like the warranty policy has EVOLVed into the HF plan. No spare parts; just replace whole tool or kit. I would guess the pin was not available. That was the only way they could make good. They give out some kind of bonus points for returns, inquiries of if you drop in to use the rest room. I guess the theory is, if they can get you in there you will keep shopping and buy more. At this point I think a lot of shoppers are on to them and only buy with the various point schemes. HF has all those super coupons and 20% off built into the price. Sears is just bleeding money.

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