beeline123
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Hello just had new pole barn built with concrete do i need gfci outlet? Will i be fine without it? Or am i risking getting shocked?
Gfci outlet needed?
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Zeke
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Yes, the barn needs GFCI protection. Like he ^^^ said, why NOT??
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Would one gfci outlet per circuit be good? Im not electrician
sparky 1971
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Every receptacle in there is supposed to be GFCI protected, even on the ceiling. You can do it with breakers, or one receptacle per circuit, or you can install a GFCI receptacle at every single opening. Doesn't matter. I don't have any in mine and I'm not concerned about getting electrocuted, or even a little shock.
Zeke
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Your buildings I'm sure are quite safe. It wouldn't be the worry that you installed all the electrical because you're a pro. But I had this old metal drill motor that I used many times to mix drywall mud. Sometimes grout, concrete and plaster. It wasn't until I was out on the wet lawn that the thing bit me. Not a big hit, just enough to remind me that old non double insulated tools can malfunction and be dangerous. I don't remember if the 3 prong plug was all correct. Generally I'm careful about that. Haven't really used that old thing after getting a shoulder replacement.
But old **** like that is out there and sometimes will do a job. Best to have the GFCI.
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Ok thank you
sparky 1971
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The main reason I don't have any in the shop is because I'm cheap. And too lazy to do anything about it. It's not like I don't have a few sitting in a service van right next to the shop or anything silly like that.
Zeke
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I certainly think that receps over 8' are not that important. I can understand bypassing the fridge/freezer. But everyone ought to do the GFCI thing in the garage if only those receps that are close to the door and used for extension cords. I could give a rat's whether my drill press is plugged into one.
All receptacles require GFCI protection, no exceptions. Any other advice is advising non code compliant work, GFCI's work quit well.
billconner
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That is the code where I live - all 15 and 20 amp circuits in a garage.
I do not know if that is code everywhere.
sparky 1971
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That's The National Electric Code so it's everywhere unless it's been changed as a local amendment. 240 volt receptacles are included nationally, but have been excluded by the State of Iowa. Also, some "inspectors" don't know that ceiling receptacles are included and some still think that the installation of a single receptacle is a work around to avoid a GFCI.
But never it's not all circuits though. Lights are excluded, unless they plug in.
billconner
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My inspector said lighting also, regardless of plug in. All circuits.
What edition of NEC introduced this. I know a lot still on 2012.
What edition of NEC introduced this. I know a lot still on 2012.
sparky 1971
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I don't remember if it was the 2011 or 2014. It could have even been the 2008. As far as lighting, I would have told him to either show me the written amendment stating hard wired garage lighting had to be GFCI protected or pound sand.
wyliesdiesels
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thats either a local WRITTEN amendment or he is wrong. there is no benefit and no NEC code requiring hardwired lights to be GFCI protected.
billconner
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I could have simply misunderstood. Planning plug in lighting anyways but I'll ask when he inspects for interest sake. He's been very reasonable and fair on previous projects.
I was more concerned about arc fault, relieved it wasn't required, and reusing a panel, which was fine.
I was more concerned about arc fault, relieved it wasn't required, and reusing a panel, which was fine.
alfredeneuman
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There's no such thing as the 2012 NEC. (2011 and 2014. It's 3 years between editions)
FredWanaker
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GCFI? Who needs a stinking GCFI.
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billconner
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Sorry, 2011. My last project in Springfield IL used 2011.
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Zeke
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To all guests viewing, understand that there will be opinions and fact in any thread. @wyliesdiesels and @Norcal know the code books inside and out. So does @sparky 1971, but he's fudging at his own property and he might be able to do that because the installation date may grandfather his system.
There is no debate on the codes from whatever edition. There will be opinions about some things such as I have stated. I am not endorsing doing work that does not meet code. If you repair your existing electrical on your property you must bring that part of your system to meet the latest code adopted by your local building authority.
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There is no debate on the codes from whatever edition. There will be opinions about some things such as I have stated. I am not endorsing doing work that does not meet code. If you repair your existing electrical on your property you must bring that part of your system to meet the latest code adopted by your local building authority.
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