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There is a difference in price between the two. I would have to take a closer look at your specifics as that seems outside the norm
Ghostshield 8505 Vs. 8510
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There is a difference in price between the two. I would have to take a closer look at your specifics as that seems outside the norm
Feffman
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Justin, I just ordered 6 gallons of TL37 and 15 gallons of Ghostshield 8510 for the new driveway, sidewalks and patio. Hope it's all you guys crack it up to be.
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GRivera
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In a previous post you estimated 10 gallons of 8510 for my 1500 sf broom finish and 1200 sf smooth. Was the 10 gallons for 2 coats?
I’ve already put down the tl37 and would rather have the 8510 if the price for total application isn’t too far off from the 8605.
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Broom finish is very honestly a shot in the dark. If I was ordering for my floor, I would order 10 gallons knowing I would have some left. It could be as few as 6 gallons -- but normally we would see that on a power troweled floor. Average would be about 8 gallons (1200/300 Sq. Ft. / Gallon) x 2. Broom finish... more surface area often more porous. I would order 10.
GRivera
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Update on 8505 Application and Coverage
Work Area: 1500 sf broom finish outside garage and 1200 sf smooth inside garage
I bought the product from GarageFlooring LLC. Based on my square footage - 5 gallons of TL37 concentrate and 4 gallons of 8505 Ghostshield concentrate. The TL37 is mixed 1:1 ratio with distilled water and the 8505 is mixed 1:4 ratio with distilled water. I mixed per directions and used a pump sprayer for the application.
I applied the TL37 and the concrete absorbed all 10 mixed gallons.
I waited 8 days to apply the 8505 to the inside smooth finish inside the garage - 2 coats per instructions. I used 4 gallons of the mixture so overall coverage was 300 sf per gallon. This took me about 2 hours.
I waited 3 weeks to apply the 8505 to the broom finish due to weather. I applied 2 coats and used 9 gallons of the mixture so overall coverage was 167 sf per gallon. This took me about 3 hours.
Because I mixed the 8505 in 5 gallon batches, I have 2 gallons of mixed product to keep and 1 unopened gallon of concentrate to return.
I thought the product was very easy to mix and application was very easy. My only regret is not buying the 8510 but based on the customer service's estimate of product needed the difference in price was well over $400. Also, the rep said there wasn't much difference in product other than deeper penetration with the 8510.
I am hopeful that the 8505 lives up to my expectations.
Work Area: 1500 sf broom finish outside garage and 1200 sf smooth inside garage
I bought the product from GarageFlooring LLC. Based on my square footage - 5 gallons of TL37 concentrate and 4 gallons of 8505 Ghostshield concentrate. The TL37 is mixed 1:1 ratio with distilled water and the 8505 is mixed 1:4 ratio with distilled water. I mixed per directions and used a pump sprayer for the application.
I applied the TL37 and the concrete absorbed all 10 mixed gallons.
I waited 8 days to apply the 8505 to the inside smooth finish inside the garage - 2 coats per instructions. I used 4 gallons of the mixture so overall coverage was 300 sf per gallon. This took me about 2 hours.
I waited 3 weeks to apply the 8505 to the broom finish due to weather. I applied 2 coats and used 9 gallons of the mixture so overall coverage was 167 sf per gallon. This took me about 3 hours.
Because I mixed the 8505 in 5 gallon batches, I have 2 gallons of mixed product to keep and 1 unopened gallon of concentrate to return.
I thought the product was very easy to mix and application was very easy. My only regret is not buying the 8510 but based on the customer service's estimate of product needed the difference in price was well over $400. Also, the rep said there wasn't much difference in product other than deeper penetration with the 8510.
I am hopeful that the 8505 lives up to my expectations.
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Nice work! That coverage is for both coats right?
GRivera
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Yes- the coverage listed is for both coats well saturated and any initial puddling was rolled out.
RPH
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I think you will be pleased with the performance of the products. Watch the way the water beads on the outside portion and disappears quickly. Watch how easy the ice comes off in the winter. You can pick it up like a pancake.
ncboat
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Re: Update on 8505 Application and Coverage
I waited 8 days to apply the 8505 to the inside smooth finish inside the garage - 2 coats per instructions. I used 4 gallons of the mixture so overall coverage was 300 sf per gallon. This took me about 2
I am confused. 1200 sq ft with two coats would be 2400 sq ft so four gallons would be 600 st coverage. I am going to be doing exactly the same 1200 st power trowled so want to make sure I fully understand how much it will take.
Thanks
I waited 8 days to apply the 8505 to the inside smooth finish inside the garage - 2 coats per instructions. I used 4 gallons of the mixture so overall coverage was 300 sf per gallon. This took me about 2
I am confused. 1200 sq ft with two coats would be 2400 sq ft so four gallons would be 600 st coverage. I am going to be doing exactly the same 1200 st power trowled so want to make sure I fully understand how much it will take.
Thanks
GRivera
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You are right on my miscalculation. After I mixed the solution for the inside I poured it into a 2 gallon pump sprayer. I just looked at my notes again and I filled sprayer 2 times so coverge was 1200 sf/2 coats/4 gallons= 600 sf per gallon. I assume the TL37 had an affect on product absorption rate.
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We would recommend for 1200 sq feet for two coats 6 gal figuring 400 sq ft per gal for 8510.
The 8510 is the most popular and goes 400 sq ft over a densified floor. While the 8510 costs a bit more the greater coverage offsets this and the 8510 is a better product.
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The 8510 is the most popular and goes 400 sq ft over a densified floor. While the 8510 costs a bit more the greater coverage offsets this and the 8510 is a better product.
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GRivera
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I bet my coverage would have been better than that. When I sprayed my first coat on the smooth surface it puddled right away in some areas and seemed to barely absorb.
skipdup
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Does 8510 help with concrete dust as well? Or, does the densifier (Lithi-Tek 4500)?
Thanks!
Skip
Thanks!
Skip
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Yes, some, but its not a densifier. The densifier is the cheap part so although it is no longer required, I would highly suggest it.
Now keep in mind if you have horrible, soft concrete, you are not going to fix it.
skipdup
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Thanks guys!
Sparkynutz
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Would 8510 work over 4 thick coats of Euclid waterbased densifier on a new 600sqft garage floor?
2 gallons enough?
should expansion joints be caulked prior to application to prevent any extra sealer loss into cracks?
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2 gallons enough?
should expansion joints be caulked prior to application to prevent any extra sealer loss into cracks?
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We would not recommend mixing manufacturers. We have not tested this so we can’t comment one way or another.
We can get you a small test container of 8510 for $10 to cover shipping. Please call or email directly to obtain. Thanks.
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We can get you a small test container of 8510 for $10 to cover shipping. Please call or email directly to obtain. Thanks.
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Sparkynutz
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Reading on concrete sealers etc on this forum can definitely be confusing!
Some ?s.
Looking to pour 2000sf of concrete in upcoming months (once warm out and snow gone, in WI)
-On freshly poured concrete reading one needs to wait about a month before applying the 4500/8510? (so the concrete can cure?). Is the 1 month rule correct? better to wait even longer?
-curious about slabs that sweat from moisture coming up from underneath, is this an issue w/ the 8510 and such? I'd guess its preferable to put styrofoam under the slab when pouring if possible? (esp if one plans to heat the pole barn). Talking midwest winters etc. Not sure I'll heat the barns yet, but someone down the road might (when I eventually sell)
-seem to be reading 1 coat of 8510 but other places it says 2. which is it? (stuff isn't cheap!). I plan to use the 4500 densifier first, wait a week (as I've read) then 8510.
-Am reading 8510 needs to be reapplied about every 10 years? or is this not true? (ties into not being cheap!)
Also thought I read the 8510 is good for salt (midwest winters)....
Thanks.
Edit- I know this is an old thread but saw no point in starting a new one when this thread seems to be discussing the issues I'm wondering about. Thanks.
Some ?s.
Looking to pour 2000sf of concrete in upcoming months (once warm out and snow gone, in WI)
-On freshly poured concrete reading one needs to wait about a month before applying the 4500/8510? (so the concrete can cure?). Is the 1 month rule correct? better to wait even longer?
-curious about slabs that sweat from moisture coming up from underneath, is this an issue w/ the 8510 and such? I'd guess its preferable to put styrofoam under the slab when pouring if possible? (esp if one plans to heat the pole barn). Talking midwest winters etc. Not sure I'll heat the barns yet, but someone down the road might (when I eventually sell)
-seem to be reading 1 coat of 8510 but other places it says 2. which is it? (stuff isn't cheap!). I plan to use the 4500 densifier first, wait a week (as I've read) then 8510.
-Am reading 8510 needs to be reapplied about every 10 years? or is this not true? (ties into not being cheap!)
Also thought I read the 8510 is good for salt (midwest winters)....
Thanks.
Edit- I know this is an old thread but saw no point in starting a new one when this thread seems to be discussing the issues I'm wondering about. Thanks.
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Shea
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Yes, wait 30 days before application. No real need to wait longer unless the slab is going to be greater than 4 inches or so thick.
A sweating slab is not the same as moisture that permeates up from under a slab. Sweating is from relatively warm moist air that comes in contact with a cold slab. The air cools as is comes in contact and then condenses. It's most common in the spring after winter or where high humidity conditions exist and the slab temp is below the dew point. Styrofoam will help prevent the slab from getting cold soaked from the freezing earth and a moisture vapor barrier will prevent moisture from underneath.
The new method recommended by GhostShield now is to apply one flood coat 7 days after the densifier treatment. It's not mandatory to reapply after ten years, but it is required to maintain the 100 year warranty.
Yes, it will help protect the concrete from salt damage. It's still important to clean out the briny surface when ever you get a chance though.
A sweating slab is not the same as moisture that permeates up from under a slab. Sweating is from relatively warm moist air that comes in contact with a cold slab. The air cools as is comes in contact and then condenses. It's most common in the spring after winter or where high humidity conditions exist and the slab temp is below the dew point. Styrofoam will help prevent the slab from getting cold soaked from the freezing earth and a moisture vapor barrier will prevent moisture from underneath.
The new method recommended by GhostShield now is to apply one flood coat 7 days after the densifier treatment. It's not mandatory to reapply after ten years, but it is required to maintain the 100 year warranty.
Yes, it will help protect the concrete from salt damage. It's still important to clean out the briny surface when ever you get a chance though.
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If you have a floor that sweats this is due to condensation on the floor, not coming up from underneath. This problem can be avoided by installing board foam insulation under the slab. If you are concerned about moisture coming up from the slab, then install plastic vapor barrier.
8510 which we carry can be applied as one single floor coat, or our preferred and the manufacturers instructions two thinner coats. Re application times are dictated by use, care, etc so there are no formal guidelines.
8510 gives excellent salt resistance. Use the Densifier first.
If you have a floor that sweats this is due to condensation on the floor, not coming up from underneath. This problem can be avoided by installing board foam insulation under the slab. If you are concerned about moisture coming up from the slab, then install plastic vapor barrier.
8510 which we carry can be applied as one single floor coat, or our preferred and the manufacturers instructions two thinner coats. Re application times are dictated by use, care, etc so there are no formal guidelines.
8510 gives excellent salt resistance. Use the Densifier first.
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It will help with minor dusting but if you have soft concrete issues, its not going to fix it
Zaxxn
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Hello Ghostshield specialists!
I have a little less than 1,300sqft main shop area to do and have 3 gallons of 8510 and one gallon of 4500. Sounds just a tad shy of what I need. Any smaller quantities than gallons available, or should it just make it? Concrete is power troweled to a very smooth finish and about 7 months old.
Thanks in advance,
Zax
I have a little less than 1,300sqft main shop area to do and have 3 gallons of 8510 and one gallon of 4500. Sounds just a tad shy of what I need. Any smaller quantities than gallons available, or should it just make it? Concrete is power troweled to a very smooth finish and about 7 months old.
Thanks in advance,
Zax
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zjohnson1
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You're actually about half shy of what you need, it's supposed to be coated twice. I'm doing a 1200sqft slab in a few weeks and I got 1 gallon of the 4500 (to be diluted) and 5 gallons of 8510, plus I've still got about 1/2 gallon left over from a previous project. As I understand it that 5 should juuuust get me by, and only because I'm doing the 4500 first. The 300sqft/gallon number given is for a single coat. I too have a very smooth power troweled finish
Zaxxn
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I somehow thought I read somewhere that the newest recommendations for 8510 with prior densifier is a single wet coat? Did I totally make that up?
--Zax
Yes that is apparently the case with 8510. The below thread may help. In my case I was planning on two coats (just to be sure) but it ended up being one full coat (saturated but not puddling) followed by a very light 2nd coat within 10 minutes. The slab just wouldn't absorb much additional 8510 on the 2nd coat. 2 gallons for 600 sqft.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=411882&highlight=tff&page=2
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I would always over dilute the 4500 and spray it further. See notes on page. https://www.garageflooringllc.com/siloxa-tek-8505-concrete-sealer/
Single 'flood coat' of 8510 at 300 SF per gallon
Ghost Shield has changed their specifications a couple of times. I have their 2017 and 2018 brochures in hand both have different information. Their website has another set of information. I can see where the confusion comes in.
Going of their website specifications, there is an important distinction:
Reconstitution Ratio: Polishing concrete: 1 part sealer : 2 parts water. Priming concrete: 1 part sealer : 3 parts water
Their latest specification guide also confirms this http://assets.contentful.com/muyees...S/9494f37364917ffb616b8a3bd9503e53/4500AI.pdf
Until recently they were suggesting 2 coats. We have always only suggested one.
Coverage is going to be 300-400 Sq. Ft. per mixed gallon. One gallon of material, after dilution will be more than enough.
They still very specifically suggest the 7 day waiting period For enhanced performance on horizontal surfaces use a densifying primer, wait 7 days and then apply the Siloxa-Tek 8510.
A 5 gallon 8510 definitely made the most sense to purchase. You will use 2-2.5 gallons per coat. If your floor is power troweled you may get better coverage. I have seen it as high a 400.
In the case of both the densifier and the 8510 I would apply enough to saturate the concrete but avoid puddling. Usually people use a lambs wool roller to clean up any overspray.
If you can email me your order number, I will issue a call tag for the additional material we suggested and issue a full refund.
Morning. Old post I know, but, dozens of threads on this and its gotten confusing.
Looking for a restate of the 4500/8510 application process- talking interior pole barn, 2000 sqft power trowled concrete, will be cured in a week or two so will treat in early August.
Assuming concrete is powerwashed (its new so no stains etc)
Dilute 4500, 3 parts distilled water, 1 part 4500. Spray onto concrete, do not puddle.
->Still unclear on how many square feet 1 bottle of 4500 covers, HD lists 750sf per bottle?
After the 4500, wait a week, then spray "1" (?) coat of 8510 using an appropriate sprayer?
-> some places/articles state 2 coats....so need some clarity?
-> coverage will be 400sqft/gallon? (assuming one used the 4500 first)
Would appreciate comment/clarity on this. Midwest.
Freeze/thaw cycles, road salt, oil protection etc...full monty here.
Once this is all complete, would one have to ever redo any of this process? or is it pretty much 'set' for the life of the concrete?
Thanks.
Garage Flooring
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Dilution rate on 4500 varies. Exterior concrete or rough concrete 3:1. Interior smooth concrete dilution rates is 4:1 or even 5:1. We figure coverage at 400 SF per mixed gallon.
8510. Single flood coat. 300 SF / gallon.
For your specific project.
Dilute 4500 5:1. You will need 1-2 gallons
8510 300 SF per gallon. Spray. 1 coat. 7 gallons
Thanks. This is a one and done process, correct? meaning, one doesn't have to redo this process every 10 years or? should be good for the life of the concrete slab? Thanks again.
onlyn8v
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Thanks.
what kind of time frame on refreshing 8510? 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? (thought I read 8510 had a 100 year warranty or something)
whats involved in that process? hopefully no grinding or etching etc?
standard usage in midwest.
thanks.
Garage Flooring
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See the sale thread for a good overview on the process. No grinding. Just spray it on.
I would say 7-10 years but it varies considerably.
Thanks. Sorry for all the ?s !
Does the 8510 refresh need to be reapplied to the entire floor? or can one just apply it to higher traffic areas (where cars park and drip water/salt). Some parts of slab won't see much/any water or oil so wondering.
Unsure what the URL is for the 'sale thread' you are referring to? Have read dozens of 8510 threads on here.
If possible, would appreciate a link to the specific thread you refer to? Thank you.
Also, if this particular product no longer exits in 10 years, then what? Sorry for the question barrage, unfortunately its not cheap to apply for the average guy!
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Garage Flooring
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Lol it was right below your thread https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=426914
It's not a question of no longer exists. There is not a magic number either. Certainly possible that you would only have to reapply in high traffic areas, but generally people would re-spray the whole floor (8510 only)
Lol it was right below your thread https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=426914
It's not a question of no longer exists. There is not a magic number either. Certainly possible that you would only have to reapply in high traffic areas, but generally people would re-spray the whole floor (8510 only)
Thanks I did see that thread but I think we're talking about two diff things. That thread does not address reapplying the 8510 in 7-10 years, that is the process I was wondering about!
I see it does tell how to apply it the first time. Unless for the reapply one just powerwashes the floor, lets it dry and then sprays on the 8510. Unsure if its more involved then that.
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Thanks I did see that thread but I think we're talking about two diff things. That thread does not address reapplying the 8510 in 7-10 years, that is the process I was wondering about!
I see it does tell how to apply it the first time. Unless for the reapply one just powerwashes the floor, lets it dry and then sprays on the 8510. Unsure if its more involved then that.
Once the product is no longer beading just wash it off and reapply