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Automotive, radio and electrical per the catalog
https://archive.org/details/GoodellPrattCatalogNo161926/page/n295
https://archive.org/details/GoodellPrattCatalogNo161926/page/n295
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International Tool Catalog at Archive.org is a dogsend.
Supposedly there is a similar international Manual Library too, lots of overlaps.
Plus Lugz gave some further links in the Stickie to catalog sources.
d42jeep
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Here is a punch I found at an estate sale yesterday.
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Private Lugnutz
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Love that logo, Don.
Mintgrun
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I brought this set home yesterday. It is the first one I've seen with a nine inch ruler. I'm basing the brand name on the ruler, since the other pieces are not marked (typical). I was excited to find a matching center-finder at home, but it turns out it was made for a slightly thicker ruler. Otherwise, the thumb nuts and casting details were a good match.
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RTM
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Nice one. The thicker rule usually implies a 12” set, at least in the Starrett world.
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View media item 111949
View media item 111951
View media item 111947
Goodell-Pratt Co. Automatic Feed Chain Drive - while drilling a hole this is used to gradually adjust the chain tension to increase the depth of the hole. This one has an adjustment to change the rate of chain tension.
Patent date on the chuck (1895) and the rotational adjustment mechanism (1910).
View media item 111951
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Goodell-Pratt Co. Automatic Feed Chain Drive - while drilling a hole this is used to gradually adjust the chain tension to increase the depth of the hole. This one has an adjustment to change the rate of chain tension.
Patent date on the chuck (1895) and the rotational adjustment mechanism (1910).
WisJim
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My Goodell Pratt breast drills that I have gotten out as our move continues. Might be some more somewhere in the boxes and bins, but this is most of them. Next will be hand drills and other brands of breast drills.
WisJim
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Here's a Goodell Pratt No. 826 eggbeater drill that I haven't found in any of the G-P catalogs or anywhere else. Clearly marked Goodell-Pratt on the chuck and on the crank arm, and No 826 on the ferrule on the handle.
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I picked up a Goodell-pratt No. 108 spiral hand drill at a garage sale. It's in pretty good condition, and has 7 of the 8 bits still in the handle. The engraving reads," Goodell-Pratt Company Greenfield Mass USA Pat'd Dec 28 1915. It needs a bit of cleaning, then it can keep my Craftsman spiral screwdriver company . Not bad for $3.
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Treat those bits with care, GP and Yankee are not interchangeable. I find Yankee bits at 10x the GP rate, but about 5x for the drivers.
This is super cool and definitely a lucky find for a comelete set. Thanks for the detailed introduction!Picked up this Goodell-Pratt Socket Wrench Set No. 380 by complete accident recently.
The seller, who was advertising it as 'Auto Lug Wrenches', really didn’t know what it was, but he dutifully transcribed the only part of the marking he could read or understand, which was “Greenfield, Mass.”
Now, I was doing Tap & Die research at the time, but even if I hadn’t been, when I hear Greenfield I think of the Wells Brothers, Wiley & Russell, and the eponymous Greenfield Tap & Die. Looking at this early interchangeable socket wrench set didn’t jibe with that, however, so I opened up my aperture and Goodell-Pratt, the Toolsmiths, came into the frame. Still didn’t make sense to me. G-P flies way under the radar, as woody aptly described in his opening post, but I’m not sure those familiar with G-P even think of them too often as a wrench house. That part of their catalog, way off in the back, with the funky ratchet and sockets, seemed more like an experimental departure from their core competency. It had to be them, though. And sure enough, that’s where I found it, on page 294 of their 1926 catalog. So I bought it.
This set isn’t marked like the catalog indicates, but those are artists’ renderings and may not represent actual production. For one thing, the bar is not marked at all. Only the largest socket is marked, and it reads, “Goodell-Pratt Co., Greenfield, Mass. U.S.A.” on the bell.
The service openings in the sockets measure 5/8”, 11/16”, 3/4”, and 7/8”, as the catalog shows, but they are not marked on the sockets. The catalog doesn’t show the bar by itself, but as you can see, it has a detent ball to help retain the sockets. And the knurling matches.
Goodell-Pratt was merged into Millers Falls in 1931, and this socket set still appears in the 1926 catalog, so it’s reasonable to assume this set was made sometime before 1931, at least as late as 1926, and probably earlier. Although MF may have used the G-P brand for some time, I would think the 1930’s awful late for this design. It’s an interesting example of a transitional idea – stuck in time between the early fixed single and double end socket wrenches permanently forged or welded on the ends of square or round shanks (think Mossberg and Walden) and the fully-interchangeable sockets and handles that emerged as the standard we still use today.
I just love the elbow shapes, reminiscent of the cles-a-pipes style wrenches still favored by mechanics in garages across France and much of Europe today.
By the way, is there a slot inside the socket for the detent ball?
Private Lugnutz
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From memory, no. I believe it's just a pressure point. I'm away from home for a couple weeks, but I'll check when I get back. Ping me again if I forget.
Many thanks!
The only thing I have about Goodell Pratt is the Pocket Screw Driver Set(No. 231). I believe these two belong to different year of manufacture due to the grooves and shape on the bottom
Personally I would like a shining appearance thus I tried some restoration work to make dents back to flat.
A self-made punch to get the other one round again.
Here's the result.
After polishing (I didn't polish too hard for the round ended handle to keep some original layer) the handle showed a pale-golden color (different form that of polished copper) which made me curious what kind of metal it is. Then I did some research on elemental analysis of the base metal:
This is a Cu-Hf alloy with 91.8%(wt) of Hf which makes the handle corrosion resistance！But this is a strange thing that this company used such a particular alloy for making screwdrivers (assume that the analysis is 100% accurate). Anybody has a clue?
That has been an interesting read about Hf on Wiki and it raises a query so I got out my G-P Catalog #15 from 1923.
Wiki suggests that Hf was not identified until after 1923, maybe G-P was using an alloy with suitable drawing characteristics?
Wiki suggests that Hf was not identified until after 1923, maybe G-P was using an alloy with suitable drawing characteristics?
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RTM
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Ah, my eyes. The glare off those shiny tools. Well done. No idea about the analysis
Catalogue helps a lot！That has been an interesting read about Hf on Wiki and it raises a query so I got out my G-P Catalog #15 from 1923.
Wiki suggests that Hf was not identified until after 1923, maybe G-P was using an alloy with suitable drawing characteristics?
So how long does this No.231 last? G-P might be quite aggressive on new material application, that's all I can guess.
Or this is only an analysis mistake (I tried several scan for the surface though).
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Private Lugnutz
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How did you measure the composition? Is it possible you buffed the finish down to a copper undercoating and that had some hafnium in it? The tool itself is steel, certainly, right?
I was using a SEM-EDX. The handle was nickel plated to a silver appearance and the result showed no Ni indicating that I had already removed the coating material.
Hf is not an ordinary element for normal industrial use (nomatter base material or coating) even today. I believe that the handle is not steel, but I'm sure that the bit holder is steel since I polished both of them.
There's one thing I have to admit: sometimes EDX is not quite accurate, thus I will make another analysis by using LIBS (or other instruments) in the future and I'll come back with more reliable results.
454ragtop
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^ How about going old school and just check it with a magnet..........
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Another great job Woody. As I investigate the rabbit holes, I see you set the standards for a History Detective for the younger guys like Lugs, RTM and 4 Cycle. I am a journeyman, and I am a day late and a dollar short. I found when mountain bike racing that it is easy getting to the top. The hard part is staying there. Great job.
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I have a Goodell-Pratt tool that I haven't found in a catalog yet. Just marked with the G-P name, no model number. It is used to tell two different depths. 9" overall length, it can measure up to 3" deep. There are two sliding sections. Each independent. There is a brass pointer on one to measure the difference between the two.
It has a yellow plastic handle, so I was leaning toward newer but did not find it in either the #15 or #16 catalogs. It may have been one of the last tools they made before Millers-Falls merged with them around 1930. Any info would be welcomed.
It has a yellow plastic handle, so I was leaning toward newer but did not find it in either the #15 or #16 catalogs. It may have been one of the last tools they made before Millers-Falls merged with them around 1930. Any info would be welcomed.
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Wow, lot’s of sweet G-P tools here!! I got this No.280 depth gauge over the weekend in a box buy out… I’m really Diggin it. I’m betting the scale was longer, 6”? , but looks like it’s been trimmed to 4”…. Mr Cavaluchi showed it some love at some point.
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I think 4" is about right. They also came with a straight rod and the clamp can be repositioned to the outside hole. Nice find.Wow, lot’s of sweet G-P tools here!! I got this No.280 depth gauge over the weekend in a box buy out… I’m really Diggin it. I’m betting the scale was longer, 6”? , but looks like it’s been trimmed to 4”…. Mr Cavaluchi showed it some love at some point.
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Thanks, I wondered… this was in pieces in the box. I really thought I had a oddball nut for a protractor and a small scale. Once I ran the number it all made sense.
Steve
firstyearchevelle
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Found this at an estate sale a while ago. Although it has been used, it is in remarkable condition with it’s original box. 
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Nice find.
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You never pinged me, but, almost four years late, I can report that there is no slot for the detent ball in those elbow sockets.
RTM
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Hmm, I just found sockets in an older catalog, which I've never noticed before. 1926, there might be an image on the page prior
Goodell-Pratt Company : Complete Catalog Number 16 : Goodell-Pratt Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
388 p., illus., 13.9 cm, trade catalog
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That looks like it!
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Couple more here, this page and following, but again no numbers for the sockets that I can see.
Goodell-Pratt Company : Complete Catalog Number 17 : Goodell-Pratt Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
396 p.. illus., 14.2 cm, trade catalog
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I appricate for your respond!
@mvcorse
You never pinged me, but, almost four years late, I can report that there is no slot for the detent ball in those elbow sockets.