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Thanks for the replies.

I think it bothered me more that I goofed up what should have been a straightforward easy fix had I paid attention and caught it.

Yes it's stain grade trim and no one will ever be able to tell once it's painted.

That being said I don't like to caulk trim for any reason.
 
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I would not have any problem with your work. Obviously, you are a pro and have pride in your workmanship. I have done a little trim on my house and I know it is a constant battle to compensate for everything else being out of whack. Your statement "Yes it's stain grade trim and no one will ever be able to tell once it's painted" tells me you know exactly what you are doing and have a lot of experience. Don't worry about the electrician, he is not your customer. Only worry about the person who writes the checks.
 

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Yes, I know - he said "painted", so I assumed he meant paint grade and went with it.
I'm sure nobody would paint stain grade. Except me, of course, because I'm an amateur. :p
 

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I wrote most of my post many hours ago, but had to leave. A bunch of the other posts had similar great points.



I'm sure sparky takes some shortcuts as well and he gets to hide 90% or more of his work behind the finished surfaces of the building.

I did plenty of electrical work as a pro and did some HVAC work as well. Paint, finish, and trim was my primary trade. I wouldn't call myself a finish carpenter, but I did plenty of basic trim work as we used to flip houses that we updated, did much of the work to update interiors for customers, and I got into the commercial side and TI work where I had to fix and update whatever was in the building or build out new areas. We also did HVAC change outs and new installations, as well as service work.

If the final product looked good, I would have considered doing the same thing you did, OP. A pro knows where shortcuts are acceptable. Many customers want quick and cheap and something that looks good to their non professional eye. For the first half of my time in the construction business, doing mostly residential, we did a lot of higher end work and when the houses were new they would have quality finish carpenters. As painters/finishers, usually had to do all of the caulk, fill nail holes, sand, prime, etc. We always joked that we cleaned up after everyone else and made sure their work looked good. Finish guys often have many steps to go through and most of the work is on display, so you can't get away with as much as the other trades. When I got into commercial work, it was less about the high end work, but that is what comes with restaurant work, warehouse/storefront business parks, etc.

Some of the buried electrical hack work I had to repair was just crazy. Some of it was from the renters, some from hired crews that may have even been illegals, and sometimes just sloppy electricians.

Some people in general are just idiots and they always look for a way to put down others. Being a pro doesn't mean you are perfect. You should be very good at the job, but pros know how to fix a problem, where they can save time, and what their customer expects. Working for people who wanted fast and cheap was not fun, as my work didn't look as good and I expected criticism, especially if the viewer didn't know what was expected of the job.
 
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My thoughts, if it looks good who cares. Sounds to me like you know what you're doing. As a guy that ***** at trim work I understand it's a skill. I'm with others that said he needs to mind his own.
 

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Without pictures it's hard to tell. I notice little things like that in houses, especially where they used cheap materials.
I'll admit as a homeowner doing my own, I might do something like that. If I buy high quality materials and hire a professional I expect better.
 

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That being said I don't like to caulk trim for any reason.

It is impossible to install base or shoe molding without noticeable cracks along their lengths. If you don't caulk (you or the painting contractor), the install is going to look bad because you can't fill these cracks with paint only. Not believing in caulking may lead one to question the quality of the installation. Just saying.

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I recently installed a used door in a rough opening. First time ever attempting this with basic hand tools and rudimentary skills. Nothing in the house is level or square adding to the fun.

Little Hackjob tactics behind the trim in abundance and stained trim making it all invisible. It looks good from the outside and even the deadbolt install works right. The old door has a slight rustic repaired look that fits the theme of our home well.

In the end if we don't point it out chances are you won't know which door it is. Job well done considering the starting point.
 
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That being said I don't like to caulk trim for any reason.

It is impossible to install base or shoe molding without noticeable cracks along their lengths. If you don't caulk (you or the painting contractor), the install is going to look bad because you can't fill these cracks with paint only. Not believing in caulking may lead one to question the quality of the installation. Just saying.

Glen

What I meant is filler in the miter
 
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Stain grade trim does not get painted.



Actually on this job some of it will. The yard ran out of paint grade and gave us the difference in stain grade. So I've got about 20 pieces of stain grade scattered throughout the job. That are in fact going to get painted.

Sorry about the confusion
 
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And nobody has asked the most important question: How much is the house worth?

I'm not sure what the selling price was but it was listed at $325000. New owners are doing updates before moving in. The kicker is I pulled higher quality wood out of the hallway and master bedroom than they are having me install.
 

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The guy just tipped you some good advise or bad, what's the big deal. He is not doing your job. If you find it hurting your feelings, then just say thanks and move on. He is not reporting to the trim police or anything. Jesus, some people just have soft feeling like a little girl.
there are more people running around acting like big boss w/ their emotion running while than those w/ logic. It's just the world we live in - *****!!!
 

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...The yard ran out of paint grade and gave us the difference in stain grade...

If it is to be painted, then it is paint grade trim, regardless of the material used.

Regarding mitering trim for a feature that is a full 5 degrees off of 90*, that much off should be so visibly obvious to a professional trim carpenter that he would never think of using 45* on the either mating piece.
 

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Don't be offended by the grouchy ahole. Nothing wrong with trimming material like you did. Some people in the trades tend to not be very polite and don't know how to communicate.

I hired a carpenter to help me at my mom's. As a non pro (me), I let him be the boss and I became the lackey. I heard him on his phone complaining about my sheer incompetence. Lol
 
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Hack... no

Right? ... meh should have done it right the first time... waste more trim to make it right would have been the right thing.

Should you have ... wasn't your job doing trim...

Did he call you a hack or just voice his disapproval ... to which ... he was right.

Did you learn?
 
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Sounds like his comment hit home with you because you know he was right. That is all and I wouldn't read into it any more then that. I am sure from this point on every time you run into this situation again you will remember that electrician and fix the issue the proper way you know how ("I'll show him"!). I am sure you were on cruise control and just trying to get things done in a timely manner (it happens to all of us). Maybe look at it as he did you a favor so you pay a little more attention to detail.
 

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Feelings got hurt? How old are you? 20 something millenial? Man up, continue your work, and who gives a **** if someone criticized you? You are the one getting paid to do the work. If it's the way you do it, then so be it. If the owners are truly unhappy with it, I'm sure they will voice their opinion and you'll probably end up fixing it.
 

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Normally a laid back person, I probably would have shrugged it off. If he would have caught me at the wrong time or his approach was just off I probably would have quipped something smartass off to his like...

You know, more houses burn down everyday from faulty wiring than faulty trim work.
 
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Normally a laid back person, I probably would have shrugged it off. If he would have caught me at the wrong time or his approach was just off I probably would have quipped something smartass off to his like...

You know, more house burn down everyday from faulty wiring than faulty trim work.

Great quote!
 

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The hack is the guy who couldn’t build a room/closet square.

As for the electrician, a guy who hides 90 percent of his work inside the walls probably should keep his critical chops shut lest someone smack him in them.
 

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I don't know. The only purpose of trim is to look good when it's done so, if it looks good when it's done I wouldn't worry about it.
 

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My main helper is a retired electrician and former lineman. One of the best workers I've ever had. Great work ethic. Finesse in finishes not so much. But he's coming along.
 

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You have told him you would have done it right if he hadn’t been distracting you.
 

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I'd go around and make all his screws be different directions.


But then my OCD would kick in and I'd have to go back and make them all the same...
 

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IMO the finish defines the methods...

If this was stained wood, clear finish, grain exposed- there is only one solution: recut, re-miter.

But with a painted finish, either method is acceptable. It will be filled, sanded, primered, sanded, finished. In this case it simply doesnt matter.

When a job is bid out, it is understood by all that a painted trim will cost less- much less- than stained. Becuase the joinery is much more demanding. Inherent in that calculus is the understanding that paint grade trim can have joinery anomalies that will be covered by paint that make it easier, faster and cheaper to do.

You chose the easier and faster way to accommodate a defect that was perfectly acceptable for paint grade trim.

My 2 cents
 

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Probably wouldn't have made that "mistake" if electricians weren't standing around distracting you. Wonder how much he was being paid to hang around and chat?
 

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I can't say who is right, but having recently trimmed an entire 1700 sq ft basement, with crown, base, window and door trim, I can tell you I wasted a ton of material getting all of the "not quite square" corners right.
 

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As soon as the comment came out of his mouth I would have stopped what I was doing, straightened myself up to my full 6'6" height, and then I would have stared him down for I don't know how long, made a mental note that this guy is an a-hole, then I would have gone about my business without comment and probably forgot about it before lunch.

Or I would have said something like "Why don't you shut the f up and mind your own business?" and then forgotten it by lunch. Lol.

If it was just mocking banter on the job site between trades I'd play along and find something to rag on the guy, but doesn't sound like that was the case here.
 

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I don't know the age differences between you and the electrician. But, if he was older and you look young, perhaps he was just giving you some advice regarding the proper way to do a miter after seeing you were doing it wrong. His supposition would have been that was the way you always did the corners and he was giving you a helpful suggestion. He may have had no malice in mind at all. If you actually did not know better and always did your corners that way, this certainly would have been a learning experience for you.

Looks like you were hurt and offended and likely will do all your corners properly from now on.....especially if that electrician is on the job with you again.

Glen
 

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To strive for perfection and reach average is better than striving for average and become mediocre
 

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Common practice , sometimes the trim is t exactly the same and you end up doing that . That said I usually cut both pieces and glue the corner either tape it together if it's pre finish trim and micro pin it , then nail it to the wall . Same with paint grade but brads . But mitre is assembled first . That doesn't mean I don't still need to break the sharp corner with some paper or roll it with a nail set
 

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Take the gold from what he said and don't sweat the rest. We all have room for improvement in our respective trades, to think otherwise is foolish. No need to be petty and go ***-for-tat, he'll get his eventually. Hopefully then he's humble enough to get something constructive out of it.

While perfection is damn near impossible in the trades, the guys with the highest standards usually turn out the best work.

I have to say I am impressed with the way you shared. I respect that honesty and self-reflection.



I'm impressed with your response. Very well said and to the point. You and the OP made my day with your respective posts. Thank you both.


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Check to see if all his plugs and switches are plumb and level and that all the cover plate screws are aligned - ( pet peeve) then you can point it out to him 😜

mine too, I re-did all mine in my house before I moved in
 
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