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My argument is very simple, and this is my last response on this thread... why buy something foreign made, when there are domestic made products just as good or better. Look what happened to the American electronics industry. It's GONE. Do you want that to happen to the American tool industry?

Also: Buy American (and Canadian) cars!

Sure, there are domestic products that are just as well made, but there's still personal preference. So what if you can get a Craftsman ratchet or a Snap-on ratchet? If guys want a GearWrench ratchet, they go buy one. Whether it's because they like the ratchet action, the grips, their good experience with the brand or just to try them out. It doesn't affect you, so stay the hell out of that.

We all have our own preferences, and no-one can argue or question them.

For me:

Snap-on Ratchets (American)
Elora Wrenches (German)
Ingersoll Rand Air Tools (American/Taiwanese)
Knipes Pliers (German)
Snap-on toolbox (American/Canadian)
Draper/Danaher impact sockets (Taiwanese)
DeWalt & Bosch Power Tools (German)
Unbranded Crowbar (Spanish)
Volkwagen Cars (German)

My American tools are good, my German tools are good, my Taiwanese tools are good, my Spanish tools are good and my Canadian tools are good.

Why? Because i don't buy **** tools. I don't care where they're made, as long as they're good.

I would offer to lend you my "Made In England" shovel to get all the sand out of your ******, but since it's not American-made it's probably utter ****. :rolleyes2
 
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wow.... why do you need that gearwrench junk when you have a drawers full of Snap-on ratchets....... that look like they don't see too much use!

My tools get used!! When you have around 60 ratchets though they tend to stay nice!! I have a few that are my go to ratchets!! My F80 and FLF80 and my FLH80.
 

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My tools get used!! When you have around 60 ratchets though they tend to stay nice!! I have a few that are my go to ratchets!! My F80 and FLF80 and my FLH80.

Only 305 more, and you will have one for every day of the year!:bounce:

I think I may have that many Stanley USA 9/16" deep sockets:headscrat

Nah, I've only got about 90 :wtf:
 

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I would offer to lend you my "Made In England" shovel to get all the sand out of your ******, but since it's not American-made it's probably utter ****. :rolleyes2

Inappropriate.

The new IR airtools (and similar Blue-Points) are now made in CHINA, not Taiwan.

I know your in England, but the VWs they sell here are made in Mexico, and they are junk. I never seen such poor quality hoses and fasteners in any other car.
 

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I've used their ratcheting box end combination wrenches...
-Moose.

My argument is very simple, and this is my last response on this thread... why buy something foreign made, when there are domestic made products just as good or better. Look what happened to the American electronics industry. It's GONE. Do you want that to happen to the American tool industry?

Also: Buy American (and Canadian) cars!

In some cases, American made tools are cost-prohibitive as the tools come with a huge service premium aimed at professionals.

American cars? You mean the Toyotas made in the US, or the Fords made in Mexico?

As for the electronics industry, you keep up with the program, or you get left behind in the dust.

As I said, many of us are very pro-American tools, but it's hard to be absolute these days. And again, there's a time and a place for these arguments - they really do happen often enough here. But this thread is supposed to be about Wrenchr and his new acquisitions.

Several things
It has been discussed here, about Snap-on licensing the Dahaner owned Gearwrench design and Dahaner licensing Snap-on's screwdriver design. That isn't trying to pass off. Then there is the issue of patents expiring. The quick release on the ratchets is pretty universal now, either the patent is expired or it is licensed, INCLUDING by Snap-on. Then Ergonomics are generally the same (with exceptions for things like Hand size, deformity, etc), so that isn't copying.
Olds, then you came into a thread, ABOUT Gearwrench, ONLY to complain, without stating ANY experiences with them and preaching ONLY Snap. (not contrasting differences) That is a pretty good definition (spelling) of Trolling. Cars, see below
Moose, you say you have never seen Gearwrench complaints, you must have missed the quality control posts here. And YES, all tools can fail.

Business are all in it for profit. Cutting costs, including labor/supplies is one way to do it and common practice. If a company is on the stock market, it is no longer a American company, as it is publically traded, and almost anyone (trading embargo's) can buy its stock, INCLUDING A FOREIGN Govt. Companies, these days, are run like governments, and have butted heads with governments, fought them in court for decades, threatened to move its headquarters to another country, etc.. You talk about an Amercian car, the cars you list as American, have a global presence, both in manufacturing and retail, and if it were cost effective to them, could just as easily, produce the car in Austrailia, and import them here.

To truely buy American, you need to look to the small Mom and Pop type businesses, and support them. But realize a lot of their supplies, come from global companies.
 

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You talk about an Amercian car, the cars you list as American, have a global presence, both in manufacturing and retail

Obviously, that's nothing new. 30 years ago the Chevette was an Opel design and the Omni/Horizon was a Simca design.

Of course, these days, those cars are widely regarded as junk.
 

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Having worked in more than a few factories that sent there machines and contracts to china I avoid anything made in china as long as I can find an alternative.China is no friend to America, they have refused safe harbor to three American navel vessals in the last two years resulting in the death of six AMERICAN sailors when there ships were forced to ride out cyclones.As I type this they are increasing agressive stances against Taiwan and japan and constructing three super carriers with four more to follow.No country can survive without industry and agriculture it was industry alone that pulled us out of the great depression.VERY soon we will be like the indians holding are collective hands out for small pox laden blankets totally at the mercy of a communist dictatorship.
 

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I'm looking for the roto head 3/8 next!!

When you get that, I'd really appreciate some detail shots :thumbup:
I have a roto-head, but it's crappy and I'm not really ready to pay S-o prices for a tool I only use once in a blue moon.

You have a problem w/ me because I'm a "newcomer"... I have a problem w/ Gearwrench, as they are a "newcomer", copying other's designs and passing them off as something original.

I couldn't care less if you have 10 posts or 10,000. I do have a problem with you because your principal 'contribution' is to spam Gearwrench threads with comments regarding their quality have no basis in reality. I am not alone in this view and, while his language was perhaps a little florid, I agree with MLT. I would be delighted if you were banned. Hope that helps.
 
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My argument is very simple, and this is my last response on this thread... why buy something foreign made, when there are domestic made products just as good or better. Look what happened to the American electronics industry. It's GONE. Do you want that to happen to the American tool industry?

Also: Buy American (and Canadian) cars!

You sir, most definately are a troll. I work hard for my money and will spend it where ever I see fit. Generally this will be whichever tool, car, device or anything else that gives me the most bang for the buck.

If American manafacturers want my money, they'd better learn how to be competitive in a global market. If not, too bad for them and the people they employ.
 
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You sir, most definately are a troll. I work hard for my money and will spend it where ever I see fit. Generally this will be whichever tool, car, device or anything else that gives me the most bang for the buck.

If American manafacturers want my money, they better learn how to be competitive in a global market. If not, too bad for them and the people they employ.

We should start a poll vote!! Is olds88 a troll or not???
 

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If not, too bad for them and the people they employ.

So you think that factory closures have NO effect on you?... people lose their jobs, they no long have the funds they once had to buy your goods/services, you go out of business, and you're on the unemployment line w/ the rest of them.

No one should think they're insulated from local and global economics.
 

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wow.... why do you need that gearwrench junk when you have a drawers full of Snap-on ratchets....... that look like they don't see too much use!
Some people see no problem with buying Made in CHINA **** masquerading as quality tools and the importers charging plenty of money for them.
By buying MADE in CHINA, your casting a vote saying "hey I really don't care where I spend my money, nor do I give a **** about my fellow Americans".
I've used their ratcheting box end combination wrenches... I'm pretty sure they are the original manufacturer of them and I give them credit.
You have a problem w/ me because I'm a "newcomer"... I have a problem w/ Gearwrench, as they are a "newcomer", copying other's designs and passing them off as something original.

Tool purchasing is a personal choice. I have mostly US made tools in my sets. However, in the last year Gearwrench has expanded from only offering ratcheting wrench sets into what may become a full line of mechanics tools. I have been there buying their stuff all along. I don't consider myself a traitor for doing this. I consider Gearwrench tools to be excellent quality for the price and I'm not talking those inflated retail prices Sears lists when not on sale. I did like it more when their tools were made in Taiwan instead of the PRC but, that's just me. As for who is copying who it's hard to say. There are only so many ways to skin a cat so, tools are going to look like each others after awhile. Sure Gearwrench could have used different colors on their soft grip handles to further separate them from Snap on. I think the Gearwrench branded tools are closer looking to Matco tools anyway since they're from the same Danaher tree. Hell, one could even argue that if Matco hadn't made the 60 tooth ratchet Snap on wuldn't have taken it a step further with the 80 tooth series. If you can get by today only eating and using goods made in America, I admire you. I can't. Hell, I can't even US made silverware anymore. As for cars, I'll pick on GM. They dumped the Oldsmobile line in favor of starting Hummer. They did pretty good with that didn't they? Instead of making decent small cars here, they bought out Daewoo in this country and now sell the rebadged Daewoo as an Aveo and soon as a Pontiac. We won't even start on those made in Brazil v6s I work on daily.
What's great about this country (and it may lead to its downfall), is the amount of choices a person has. A tool's quality comes from its performance when used and not only from the brand name engraved on it. Don't pass judgement too quickly without actually using the tool. I'll buy and use the tools that I want without regard to your opinion sir. However, a little tact would go a long way in helping you get your point across.:beer:
 
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I think I'd vote the same way.

One of the things I've liked about this forum is that, despite a bunch of different opinions usually they are put over with politeness and/or humour.
Not so with this Olds feller.
 
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I think I'd vote the same way.

One of the things I've liked about this forum is that, despite a bunch of different opinions usually they are put over with politeness and/or humour.
Not so with this Olds feller.

:thumbup::thumbup:
 

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Some people see no problem with buying Made in CHINA **** masquerading as quality tools and the importers charging plenty of money for them.

By buying MADE in CHINA, your casting a vote saying "hey I really don't care where I spend my money, nor do I give a **** about my fellow Americans".

You work on Jet Aircraft? Commercial passenger/cargo jets??? Hey, YOUR job is easily outsourced offshore, planes can fly anywhere in the world!

Some people have no problem labeling tools **** that they know nothing about.

No, my job is not easily outsourced. Our customers have NO contracts with us, they can just as easily go to the overseas shops. They don't. Do you want to know why? We do quality work at a quality price, with quality service. Our customers aren't going anywhere. We routinely have people bring in jets that have been worked on by 5 different shops first. The customers get pissed and bring them to us. They leave right the first time, and we make a new customer. We've more than doubled in the last 5 years, no worries here. Last years profit was well over $100 million.


I've used their ratcheting box end combination wrenches... I'm pretty sure they are the original manufacturer of them and I give them credit.

You have a problem w/ me because I'm a "newcomer"... I have a problem w/ Gearwrench, as they are a "newcomer", copying other's designs and passing them off as something original.

You need to pull your head out of your *** and quit mixing emotions with facts. Gearwrench freely admits (and has done so repeatedly on this very board) that some of their stuff is under license by Snap-On. They have tried to pass of NONE of that stuff as original.

My argument is very simple, and this is my last response on this thread... why buy something foreign made, when there are domestic made products just as good or better. Look what happened to the American electronics industry. It's GONE. Do you want that to happen to the American tool industry?

Also: Buy American (and Canadian) cars!

There aren't always domestic made products that are as good or better. Oh, and buying a Canadian car is just as bad as buying a Chinese car, so you can stop patting yourself on your back for that.

So you think that factory closures have NO effect on you?... people lose their jobs, they no long have the funds they once had to buy your goods/services, you go out of business, and you're on the unemployment line w/ the rest of them.

No one should think they're insulated from local and global economics.

No one should think they're above simple economics, and most places do. I'll tell you right now within the next 5 years, I expect lots of boeing workers to be laid off in town, and I expect lots of the raytheon workers to get laid off. Why? They're being stupid, along with the union, about their wage demands. They're quickly pricing themselves out of a job.

The car industry is no different, the unions are running them into the ground, and the workers are allowing it to happen.

Truth be told, in 90% of the business sectors, if you do a fair job for a fair wage, you don't have to worry about it.


Do I prefer to buy US tools? Sure. Is there always a good made in US tool? Not even close.

Your beloved Snap-On company has more import tools than Craftsman does...food for thought.
 

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wow.... why do you need that gearwrench junk when you have a drawers full of Snap-on ratchets....... that look like they don't see too much use!

The first set of Gearwrench wrenches we ever had in our shop was bought right straight off the Snap-On truck...
 

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I think I'd vote the same way.

One of the things I've liked about this forum is that, despite a bunch of different opinions usually they are put over with politeness and/or humour.
Not so with this Olds feller.

I was polite....... you got me confused with those responding to me, eg moose and nissan, who always seems to have a chip on his shoulder.
 
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