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I would go with the EMAX/Polar Air/Eaton compressors that have the silencer. One advantage of the EMAX is that the shipping to your local Home Depot is free I believe. That can save significant coin.
 

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I would go with the EMAX/Polar Air/Eaton compressors that have the silencer. One advantage of the EMAX is that the shipping to your local Home Depot is free I believe. That can save significant coin.
This, even without a silencer you're getting a nicer pump and a name brand motor for so close to the same cost.

Run it with a magnetic starter as well

That grizzly is ~380lbs vs your standard 5hp compressor = ~600lbs+.... The pump on the emax alone I believe is ~220lbs, that grizzly tank must be some thin, and the motor I bet weighs a fraction of a name brand 5hp.

Assembled in the USA using the cheapest tank they could buy, the cheapest pump they could buy, the cheapest motor they could buy, and if youre gonna cheap out on all that **** I'm sure they didn't splurge on the rest....
 
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Grizzly compressor - $1,800
EMAX compressor - $2,700

In what world is are those two amounts "so close to the same cost"?

Grizzly compressor
EMAX compressor (no silencer)

$548 to make the difference between a low grade, box store compressor vs. Buy once for the rest of your life, proven design, reliable motor, disc valves...

$1865 is a lot of money, so I wouldn't spend it on a ****** compressor.

Your example is a pressure lubricated pump vs. the splash lube that I link. Not a fair comparison
 
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I asked about Quincy a couple weeks ago and the consensus was they were ****. I should buy something else. :lol:

What makes the grizzly a bad air compressor? :dunno:
Look at the price of a name brand (say Baldor, because I believe that's what quincy & Eaton/polar air etc come with) 5hp electric motor.

They are built to last, vs the one the grizzly comes with which is built to get you past the warranty period. Then when it fails it would be stupid to put another on so you'll end up paying the price for the name brand unit & be more into the grizzly then just buying a better unit to begin with.

It's also probably a 3450rpm motor, so you'll have to resheave to use a 1725rpm motor(more $$$) and will also be loud as hell, and run much hotter

There's lots of tools to get by with a lesser version, if the grizzly was $1000 maybe, but for $1850 not a chance.
 

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I asked about Quincy a couple weeks ago and the consensus was they were ****. I should buy something else. :lol:

What makes the grizzly a bad air compressor? :dunno:
You know what they say opinions are like, right?

It's just a question of value and staying in your assumed budget. The QT-54 is a budget model, it's maybe not a "true" Quincy QR-25 but it's also not $4k+ either. You could get a QT-5 Pro and it will still be ~3k.

Who knows who makes the Grizzly, how long it would be supported, or if you can get repair parts for the pump. I'm willing to bet the cheap QT-54 will be supported long after Grizzly changes suppliers. If you want a new compressor that isn't considered junk around here, you need to shell out $3k+ for a "real" Quincy, Curtis, Saylor Beall, or Champion. A fully packaged Campbell Hausfeld is still going to push $3k.

Other than that, you're probably buying a Chinese pump (Emaxx/Eaton, Campbell Hausfeld, DeWalt, etc etc)
 

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Replaceable rod bearings etc, in 10 years you will still be able to get piston rings, valve plates/gaskets...

Many reasons to avoid the box store throw away units
 

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I asked about Quincy a couple weeks ago and the consensus was they were ****. I should buy something else. :lol:

What makes the grizzly a bad air compressor? :dunno:
You're going to struggle to get a real answer here. Unless someone (or ideally multiple someones) who own or have owned the Grizzly chime in with their specific experiences, all the responses are going to be be speculation based on what people have heard or have come to believe.

There are some things that are often cited when separating "good" compressors from "bad" compressors such as the motor rpm, pump speed, type of valves, use of a magnetic starter, and of course the country of origin of the motor, pump, etc. You asked what makes it a "bad" compressor? Those are the things people are basing their opinions on. But that said, there are a whole lot of compressors out there that are functioning just fine (and have been for many years) that are built just about like that Grizzly.

Ultimately, it is up to you to decide whether it it worth it to you to spend extra money on features that others are telling you make one compressor better than another. Clearly dnschmidt and jswain value those features, and believe they are worth the extra cost (based on the fact that they recommend the same compressor in every compressor thread regardless of the context), but only you know what your use case is, how you will maintain the compressor, whether you will be repairing or replacing parts in the pump 10 - 15 years from now or if you will even own this compressor at that point.

Good luck.
 

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If it were me, I would look to save a few dollars and look at the IR TS4N5 at Tractor Supply. Similar specs, although down a few (claimed) cfm @ 90 psi (15/18.5). Both motors run @ 3450, which is not ideal IMHO, I'd rather have 1750. Both 2 stage, 80 gallons, but the IR is a known compressor brand that has been around forever. Not sure who actually makes the Grizzly, but for $300 less, that's my opinion. Either way, make your purchase and put it to use!
 

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You're going to struggle to get a real answer here. Unless someone (or ideally multiple someones) who own or have owned the Grizzly chime in with their specific experiences, all the responses are going to be be speculation based on what people have heard or have come to believe.

There are some things that are often cited when separating "good" compressors from "bad" compressors such as the motor rpm, pump speed, type of valves, use of a magnetic starter, and of course the country of origin of the motor, pump, etc. You asked what makes it a "bad" compressor? Those are the things people are basing their opinions on. But that said, there are a whole lot of compressors out there that are functioning just fine (and have been for many years) that are built just about like that Grizzly.

Ultimately, it is up to you to decide whether it it worth it to you to spend extra money on features that others are telling you make one compressor better than another. Clearly dnschmidt and jswain value those features, and believe they are worth the extra cost (based on the fact that they recommend the same compressor in every compressor thread regardless of the context), but only you know what your use case is, how you will maintain the compressor, whether you will be repairing or replacing parts in the pump 10 - 15 years from now or if you will even own this compressor at that point.

Good luck.
Just to be clear, my opinion comes from experience. Perhaps I don't have as much of that as some of the guys here, but I've owned a few compressors. Rebuilt the pumps on most of them for different reasons, most needed it and some for peace of mind. Did the typical 10 gallon oops not big enough, 60 gallon 3hp oops not big enough 80 gallon 5hp just about right for 1 guy who actually uses his tools. I actually had a 30 gallon "snap on" from Costco too when I was real young which was probably the worst.

The Saylor beall clone pumps are built very robust, with replaceable parts for a very long service life. If you've had a few different types in front of you in pieces that is very evident.

The valve plates on the husky, which looks about the same style(if not identical) to the grizzly were ****, cheap, didn't work very well and hard to reassemble and make it work proper without leaking. I believe it was also just a straight aluminum piston rod right to the crank so once it wears your most likely pooched unless you can somehow find one.

IR valve plate was much more robust, pump was built lot better, much better gaskets(klingersil) but same non serviceable piston rods, both were LOUD, extremely hot. IR claimed 100% duty cycle with their oil then I believe changed it lower due to failures.

A simple search on IR home grade compressors will bring up a lot of early motor failures, and a quick look at the grizzly and you can bet they probably get wound by the same kids.

But yeah like @GeoBruin says, you can listen to people with some experience, or just some guys who read **** on the internet with no experience themselves.

And on the electric motors side, if you look at basically any quality piece of equipment, pressure washers, compressors, belt grinders, blah blah blah you'll see a common theme. No need to reinvent the square wheel.

Also just to be clear my advice used to be typically buy a used, quality unit if you're not scared to use your tools. But if you're set on buying new and want a forever compressor to actually use and work, paint and or sandblast. Then that's why I give the recommendation that I do.
 

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Single stage 175 psi? Seems unusual.
It's a two stage. The two pistons with air filters feed into the one without. It's still a low end pro-sumer 80 gallon based on the pump and lack of magnetic starter. But for it may be just fine for the OP. The Emax is likely better but I don't know the price difference.

Edit: I see that was already answered earlier.
 

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You're going to struggle to get a real answer here. Unless someone (or ideally multiple someones) who own or have owned the Grizzly chime in with their specific experiences, all the responses are going to be be speculation based on what people have heard or have come to believe.

There are some things that are often cited when separating "good" compressors from "bad" compressors such as the motor rpm, pump speed, type of valves, use of a magnetic starter, and of course the country of origin of the motor, pump, etc. You asked what makes it a "bad" compressor? Those are the things people are basing their opinions on. But that said, there are a whole lot of compressors out there that are functioning just fine (and have been for many years) that are built just about like that Grizzly.

Ultimately, it is up to you to decide whether it it worth it to you to spend extra money on features that others are telling you make one compressor better than another. Clearly dnschmidt and jswain value those features, and believe they are worth the extra cost (based on the fact that they recommend the same compressor in every compressor thread regardless of the context), but only you know what your use case is, how you will maintain the compressor, whether you will be repairing or replacing parts in the pump 10 - 15 years from now or if you will even own this compressor at that point.

Good luck.

Good info here. I will also note that sometimes it's hard to say what is "good" in context. If you (the OP) aren't a heavy user than perhaps a lower grade compressor will serve you just fine. Sometimes the stories of tools failing isn't because they wouldn't last a lifetime in use, it's that they wouldn't last a lifetime in *your* use. If you are going to paint perhaps 10hr/year and not all at once, this compressor might serve you just fine. My brother occasionally paints with a low end Coleman 80 gallon compressor with a similar motor and a "3hp" HF pump. As 80 gallon compressors go, its low end. But it serves him well enough because his needs are limited and his compressor is way overkill most of the time. He will get decades out of it (even thought it was probably 10-20 years old when he got it). Put that same compressor in a body shop it would be dead in a month. The full industrial compressor is great if you can get it for the right price but sometimes the "junk" is sufficient. (not claiming this particular model is any good)
 

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