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Glad to see you updating GB. Yup remember those book covers from school. Looking forward to you updates and stay safe.

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I haven’t seen the grocery bag book covers in forever. They were great for doodling on. Thanks for the tip and memory.

Glad to see you updating GB. Yup remember those book covers from school. Looking forward to you updates and stay safe.
Bret

Thanks guys, yeah haven't done the brown paper covers for a long time.

Trying this morning to get my benches cleaned up. The watch making tools needed a home, so kaizan foam to the rescue. :thumbup:

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Started today with some paperwork at the office and a run via the big box store on the way home to get a few bits to work on a few small projects.

Managed to get the front lawn done, but the edger was well overdue for a new blade.

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Worked mainly though on a garden art project for wifie, end result so far is thus. Used some old timbers and what looks to be marine ply for the backer salvaged from a pallet that arrived at work at some point.

Infill is olive tree trimmings I've had sitting for a while. Actually it has quite a nice grain but I got hesitant cutting on the mitre saw after a couple binded up on me with branches not being straight and all that.

Pic doesn't show real well, but wifie got the first coat of BLO on this afternoon before tools away time.

Making up the frame was a reminder that I need to get on with the mobile saw cards and router table builds. And, I need to go get that belt sander I've been putting off all these years.

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Also managed to refill my snap-off utility knife blades, they have been empty for ages and it's been annoying every time I've gone to grab them. Sorted now. :thumbup:

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Hope all are keeping safe.

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That kaizan foam looks so good! I wanna use it in my toolbox, but I’m afraid that as soon as I get it all cut and set, I’ll buy a new tool or lose one I have. I really should though, because it looks so good.

I need to change the gas struts on two of our cars. I just always forget about it until I open them up and they slowly close on me. You said you found yours on eBay?
 
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That kaizen foam looks so good! I wanna use it in my toolbox, but I’m afraid that as soon as I get it all cut and set, I’ll buy a new tool or lose one I have. I really should though, because it looks so good.

I need to change the gas struts on two of our cars. I just always forget about it until I open them up and they slowly close on me. You said you found yours on eBay?

Hi Unruh, thanks yes kaizen foam is great, and it's a balance between what you fill a draw or tray with. Just buy an extra sheet or two for future use is my recommendation there in case you want to change something up. Depending on how deep your cutouts are you can always flip the sheet over and redo as well.

For the struts I wrote down the part numbers first and searched based on that, but yes ended up on ebay just looking up the car model and they worked so happy days.

Thanks for stopping by, hope you guys are going ok.

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GB I changed my edger blade about 2-3 years ago and it was dramatic just like yours. I think the first blade went for almost 10 years.

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GB I changed my edger blade about 2-3 years ago and it was dramatic just like yours. I think the first blade went for almost 10 years.

Bret

Hi Bret, yeah they do last a while. New ones always throw more sparks and going around the curve in my driveway is a bit more delicate again :lol_hitti

It was a nice day today to get a few things done.

Started with another coat of BLO/turps mix on the outdoor art project for wifie and cut some more of the olive tree trimmings. Used the circular saw which was much better (although I suggest it's for competent/experienced tool users only) for the smaller ones and the old fashioned hand saw for some of the larger ones [that big one in the middle is near 6" across for reference].

Ideally perhaps a bandsaw is the correct/best tool for cutting these ?

Another session tomorrow should give her enough to move on to the next steps.

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My son was wanting a light and a small shelf at his workbench, I had grabbed a LED light last weekend at the box store along with a couple of simple brackets, and today we cut a shelf, edge banded and installed.

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I never ran power to that wall so I sacrificed my short lead to pickup a point nearby and then made a bracket to hang the excess.

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While the table saw was out I got on and made the drawer for the big double door cupboard that has been on the list to do for a long time. Started by packing the sides so that the slides don't interfere with the doors.

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And I'm skipping all the way to the installed part. The entire unit is 17mm formply which I'm planning on using soon for my shop cart builds. Ply here with an A or B grade face is far too expensive. Even an 8' x 4' sheet of formply is $88.

All cuts were done on the table saw (need to make that sled - bj383ss and nicholam77 I'm looking at your ones for inspiration) - assembly was otherwise just pre-drilled/countersunk with my Zack Rabbit (awesome tool everyone should have one) and screwed.

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Here it is loaded with **** already just to get it off the floor. The problem with that spot in the cupboard is that it's deep so anything just gets shoved in and is a PITA generally, you all know what I mean.

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The plan for the lower section is where the table saw cart will park when not in use. So the shelf, lower shelf and draw at the bottom will come out so a cart can wheel in. I can't remember if I'm shortening the doors, will have to look at my drawing dimensions again.

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Cheers GB :beer:
 
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My craft project today was making myself a long drywall square/rule gizmo with some left over aluminium tube and angle. It reminded me again that I need to get my cutoff saw rebuild finished so I can get square cuts without spending an age with the file and square.

I think it turned out ok, it's a bit over 1400 mm long and the box tube is 50 x 30mm. I'll get some of the adhesive measuring tape stuff and tape up either side.

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It might even go close to being square :dunno:. Will see during the week when I mark out some villaboard cuts.

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Meanwhile my son managed to make himself a boat, complete with prop and a fishing pole with magnet on the end!

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And... he asked for a couple of wheeled castors, next minute he's made a wobble board thingy.

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I didn't tell him I had to borrow his 5mm drill bit for my project :), my 5mm drill bit storage tray seems unusually empty :headscrat

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Nice boat. Bet that’s nice having him out there building stuff.
Nice square. I have a factory one and it’s off by 1/8”+. I bet yours is more accurate.


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Always interesting to see what kids get up to if left to their own devices.

That square will work well GB. Yours can almost double as a saw fence. Great timing too as I'm fed up assuming sheetstock is actually square to start with. Was just thinking of buying a large one but I bet I have some nice alloy sections in the stock pile that will work just as well.
 
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Nice boat. Bet that’s nice having him out there building stuff.
Nice square. I have a factory one and it’s off by 1/8”+. I bet yours is more accurate.

Thanks Shorty, yes he enjoys building and tinkering. I can't be too hard on the cleanup tools when finished though as yet since I'm still unable to do that myself. :lol_hitti

1/8" is a good chunk off square for a factory unit. Can you drill out the rivets and adjust ? Tomorrow should see me test out the one I made weather permitting.

Always interesting to see what kids get up to if left to their own devices.

That square will work well GB. Yours can almost double as a saw fence. Great timing too as I'm fed up assuming sheetstock is actually square to start with. Was just thinking of buying a large one but I bet I have some nice alloy sections in the stock pile that will work just as well.

Guster he prefers outside to inside which is great (although the call of MineCraft is strong at times). Yesterday afternoon he put up the A-Frame style 4 person tent without any assistance from myself. We are making a video of him doing that and talking about it as it will go towards his CubScout badge work. I slept out there with him last night, and he even setup and lit a backyard campfire by himself, so we sat around and looked at the full moon with my binoculars and he could see the craters and things they have just learnt about in the schooling material this last week.

It was very windy from late evening and the tent held fine which he was very happy about this morning :thumbup:

Yes the aluminium was just a 3 mtr length from the Green Box store and the square was made from what was left. The other half is now fixed in the ensuite I'm in the middle of fitting out for wifie.

This afternoon after home schooling duties I kept fiddling with a small project which seems to have turned out harder than it should have. :headscrat:

The pine is the last couple of 5.5" wide offcuts I had left from the draws/cleats I'd made a while back, so not the best samples to work with.

I would have liked to get the biscuits more centre, but the 45 degree angle adjustment on the biscuit joiner has a plate that hits and stops further adjustment. There are more biscuits in my future so I'll have to make a shim or something to help.

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Not the prettiest clamping job ever done, but will see how it dries and what a roundover bit and some timber filler do for them.

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All cuts were done on the table saw (need to make that sled - bj383ss and nicholam77 I'm looking at your ones for inspiration) - assembly was otherwise just pre-drilled/countersunk with my Zack Rabbit (awesome tool everyone should have one) and screwed.

You should favor Bret's for inspiration, it's much nicer :bounce: :thumbup:

It's super useful to have, but it looks like your drawer came together nicely without it.

Cute kid projects and kid workbench. I can't wait until my daughter is old enough to do some of that stuff!

Looks like you did a nice and tidy job with the Kaizen. The only time I've used it I found it to be kinda tricky.

I've actually been wanting to get some countersinks, I will take a look at the Zack Rabbit stuff!

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Progress is always progress.

I love it when kids make stuff.

Was trying to figure out the fishing tool.

And the wobble board made me wince, I tried to ride one about 15 years ago if I recall correctly......

I seem to remember it got followed up with a couple of days of ibuprofen.
 
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You should favor Bret's for inspiration, it's much nicer :bounce: :thumbup:

It's super useful to have, but it looks like your drawer came together nicely without it.

Cute kid projects and kid workbench. I can't wait until my daughter is old enough to do some of that stuff!

Looks like you did a nice and tidy job with the Kaizen. The only time I've used it I found it to be kinda tricky.

I've actually been wanting to get some countersinks, I will take a look at the Zack Rabbit stuff!

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Thanks Nick, the kaizen is a bit fiddly and time consuming to install but looks good in the end. I like that at a glance I can see what is missing from any particular draw.

Getting closer to my saw cart builds, I've got some new dewalt blades inbound for the table and mitre saw, and I'll send of the originals for sharpening.

I found the Zack Rabbits on the "Tiny House Nation" show, Zack kept doing this quick draw thing with his impact driver and I had to check out what was going on. He and his dad invented them from what I saw on his youtube vid. I love using them.

Progress is always progress.

I love it when kids make stuff.

Was trying to figure out the fishing tool.

And the wobble board made me wince, I tried to ride one about 15 years ago if I recall correctly......

I seem to remember it got followed up with a couple of days of ibuprofen.

Hi Rian, the fishing pole - so what he did was use some horseshoe nails that is often used on wire mesh (think chicken coop) nailed into a tomato stake, he ran some cordage up and I gave him a hard drive magnet for the end.

I think he'll be keeping to the 4 wheel skate board and I'll tuck those casters back into stock, that looks totally dodgy and no wonder pain relief is needed.

Hope you are all keeping well.

So the little glue up project from the other day were some lounge buddies (no idea what they are called) for coffee/beer/wine etc as needed and were a mothers day present for wifie. They came up pretty well after a hit with the router round over bit (still need to make that router table), sanding and a handful of coatings of 50/50 BLO/TURPS mix.

The pine was leftover scraps out of a renovation from my brothers place, so keeping with the re-use theme where we can.

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My young bloke has an interest in RC cars (as we all did) at the moment so I dug this nugget out of deep storage from xmas 1986. It a TAIYO Jet Hopper.

Anyone know where I can get some new tyres/tires for it ? I don't think these will work very well any more :lol_hitti

I think the old Ansett Airlines stickers came from a mate at the time who's dad used to work for them. (NB: Ansett Australia went into administration/liquidation in the early 2000's after 65 years of operation).

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Cool old RC car!

Me and my 7 year old son have recently converted an old 1/8th scale nitro car that I built about 20 years ago to electric. I've been meaning to stick some pics up in my thread, you've just motivated me!

Those lounge buddies (or whatever they're called) look great! Any chance the BLO might stain the fabric though?
 

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On the Jet Hopper tyres, a quick Google shows that the rear ones are a really odd size and hard to find.

Rare enough that this guy is trying to work out how to mould new ones at home...
https://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/index.php?/topic/49589-repro-jet-hopper-turbo-hopper-rear-tyres-tires/

This guy had a good idea though, getting some foam insulation from Bunnings or Clarke Rubber and gluing it on.
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2922953-Retro-1980-s-Jet-Hopper

They won't be great offroad, but better than nothing!

Other than that, might need to look at fitting some different wheels. There's about a million options on Ebay.
 
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Thanks Grizz !

Mat, thanks for looking at that. I started myself looking the other day and came across it at a toy memories site: https://rctoymemories.com/2014/06/08/taiyo-jet-hopper-1986/

I just looked again and you are right. In the last comments of the article...

"All tyres are often worn out completely and/or dried-out and cracked. Particularly the rear tyres. The rear tyres are very rare nowadays and are like gold to collectors, with individual pairs being worth over AU$100"

So I'll have to see what I can find. There must be something close that we can retro fit out there in RC land surely ?

Home school for the day finally has been uploaded, might do some more garage cleanup, any energy to do day job type work now is gone :(

Thanks for stopping by.

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Any chance the BLO might stain the fabric though?

Sorry TB, I didn't answer this question.

With the added turps, the BLO seems to dry very well and not leave any oily residue. They were on the lounge probably not much more than 12 hours after the last coat.

Having said that the lounge needs stream cleaning anyway, why are kids so messy ?

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Rod, our little ones start spilling stuff after their third glass of red wine. I switched them to whites and it's much less noticeable.

Bob, that was a timely (and funny) comment. My wife sat down last night before I read this post and proceeded to spill her glass of red a little. Luckily the couch didn't wear it :lol_hitti

Hilarious. Thanks Bob, I needed that today.

Hope you are going ok Shorty.

All, since I've got plenty to do, while not add another project in ?

My brother dropped me his dual cab Nissan Navara ute to work on some electrical for camping etc. Spent the best part of 2 days so far on it last weekend pulling the dual factory batteries, cleaning them, giving them a decent full charge, fixing some corroded terminals, wiring up a winch isolation switch, and starting to prep for a 3rd service battery in the tub along with getting all the mud and **** in my face because he hasn't cleaned it properly - will be having words about that!

The factory batteries are already wired in parallel so there is no point changing that setup. For 7 year old batteries they still seem to be going strong. Each was delivering around 550 CCA still, but I could only estimate their as new size of about 620 CCA as there are no markings and the web search didn't reveal much more.

Started with this mess. He needs to spend a couple of days detailing the engine bay too.

(LH side looking at the pic is driver side FYI).

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This was the positive cable on the passenger side battery. Yuck.

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Better now.

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I'm going to make a tub battery box setup out of 17mm formply. He has side window access to the tub so we'll make it so the lid is able to be accessed from the side as well. If that works ok, I'll make another for the other side which will just be storage for him.

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The new battery will sit just behind the wheel arch in the new box. The feed cable is 8 B&S (7.71 mm2) to feed the DC-DC charger. It will have a 30A fuse up the front and charges at a max 20A.

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And brothers new goodies have arrived during the week.

- CTEK D250SE DC-DC 20A charger, this is the new model that now can handle lithium batteries.
- 130 AH AGM Battery, these were about $70 cheaper than the Full River 105AH that I was originally going to get (same as what I have in the Hilux), so interested to see how it goes.
- CTEK MXS10 10A charger that will be permanently wired in. As he doesn't drive this truck much during the week, this charger will keep the service battery topped up and also the crank batteries.
- And the NasaMarine BM-1 Battery monitor (just re-badged as CTEK)

So pretty much identical to what I setup in my Hilux. This one will have an anderson plug to connect his solar panels into when setup for camping.

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And the front batteries back in after being cleaned up and having cables fixed.

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Hopefully back on the ensuite build tomorrow.

Cheers GB.
 
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Nice work GB.

Bret

Thanks Bret :bowdown:

Visited a friends mechanic workshop during last week and he guided me on fitting new glow plugs in the Hilux. I had suspected one wasn't quite working correctly so it was just as painless to replace them.

Was very happy to find a clean and unclogged throttle body after 326,000 kms (202,567 miles) [it's got some upper engine cleaner showing in the pic]. Mine is vintage enough that it doesn't have the EGR systems that came after and causes grief to the newer diesels.

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New glow plugs in. Engine needs a good clean and detail at some point too when time permits. It's started fine no worries on the last few mornings so hopefully that is that.

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Incoming today after a bit of a wait were some new blades for the table and mitre saw as the current ones are duller than I thought and figured I'd add a few teeth options while I was at it.

Figured this would be a trivial exercise as I started by looking at the diablo/freud among others but had made little progress after a few nights of research. My first issue was the arbor size. Most available here are all 30 mm arbor, my mitre saw is 5/8" (it already has a 1" to 5/8" reduction ring) and the table saw is 5/8". Not sure what everyone else does but I couldn't find much about 30mm to 16mm reduction rings.

Next was trying to confirm kerf and blade thickness were ok for table saw riving knife, this resorted to going to the manufacturer web site in most cases as standard online retailers didn't list all the information.

Several blades seemed to be viable contenders, but then perusing the user manuals I found the mitre saw is not to be used with blades with a hook angle of more than 7 degrees nor to be used with combination blades, so that ruled out most of what I had found thus far as they were all 12 or 15 degrees.

Anyway, after a bit of searching I found an outlet supplying genuine dewalt blade sets! Perfect. Right size and specs for my saws. The factory dewalt 24T 10" and 60T 12" blades I've been happy with so far, so they will get sent off to be sharpened now and I'll have a set of 3 blades for each saw with varying tooth counts.

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And with that I think I have 1 more photo I can post and that fills up my GJ photo hosting options :shocking:. Not sure if alliance membership gets you more photo storage ?

Cheers GB.
 
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Been chipping away at my brothers Nissan Navara Dual cab battery setup.

Started last weekend by forming up the box from a stack of formply offcuts we had. Played with my new makita plunge saw which was pretty much dollar for dollar trade for the parts I purchased for this project. There is a good track/plunge saw series by Peter Millard on the tube, I followed his advice for the initial splinter edge cut by joining the 2 x 1400mm tracks together and it worked well.

His tracksaw series is here:


Found that the back of my trailer was the perfect work area for it too.

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So after a bit of fiddling due to cutting in and around the tub liner, I managed to get the main box formed up and locked in.

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Lifted the 130AH battery into it's slot and locked it in place with some pine cleats so it doesn't move.

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My brother will have this area over the wheel tub for misc bits and pieces.

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Yesterday I got the carpet on and it came up pretty well. The clamps were mainly to let the glue go off around the top lip edges.

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Got the lids done and they are a nice tight fit. I cut the finger hole out today so as not to upset the glue setting yesterday.

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And this afternoon I started on getting the components mounted. The battery monitor on the back for easy viewing.

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Then from some aluminium sheet I fabbed up a mount for the D250SE DC-DC charger and MXS10 240V charger.

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And that was it for today. Hopefully tomorrow I'll get most of the wiring done.

Hope all are well.

GB :beer2:
 
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Very nice. One day I’ll need to put together a setup like that for my cargo trailer. I’ve might have asked before but is the carpet speaker box fabric or outdoor carpet? What are you using for glue?


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Thanks for the Peter Millard link, I hadn't seen him before. There goes another bunch of hours on YouTube!

A track saw just jumped up in priority on the shopping list too, haha.
 

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The battery box came out great, GB!

The trailer looks like a great place to cut, definitely beats the floor! :lol: I watched that Peter Millard series and there is some good stuff in there.

So... what do you think of the saw? :bounce:
 
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Very nice. One day I’ll need to put together a setup like that for my cargo trailer. I’ve might have asked before but is the carpet speaker box fabric or outdoor carpet? What are you using for glue?

Thanks Shorty. You want to use a "bootliner or speaker box style" carpet like you'd find in the boot/trunk of a car. It's not too thick and is easy to fold around a 90 degree corner. Marine carpet is too thick unless you are just doing a flat floor or something of the trailer. This stuff measures about 4mm thick and is very durable, and will compress enough to get a snug fitting lid etc.

For glue look for "contact adhesive", basically you apply it to the back of the carpet and also onto where you are sticking it, so both surfaces, let it go touch dry before you put them together, keeping in mind that once they touch that's it and you can't move them or pull it off to adjust. Sika or Selleys are the go to brands, also I used some SikaBond spray fix which is also a great product.

Thanks for the Peter Millard link, I hadn't seen him before. There goes another bunch of hours on YouTube!

A track saw just jumped up in priority on the shopping list too, haha.

Mat, I also found Peter Parfitt's youtube channel "New Brit Workshop" the other night too. He created the Parf Guide dog hole system/kit thingy. Interesting but I'm not heading on that road currently.


Tracksaws are very cool, another of those "how did I get by without" tools.

The battery box came out great, GB!

The trailer looks like a great place to cut, definitely beats the floor! :lol: I watched that Peter Millard series and there is some good stuff in there.

So... what do you think of the saw? :bounce:

Thanks Nick. Love the saw so far. Just got my brothers truck finished so back on to my projects now, some of which will need lots of tracksaw action! I haven't used the bigdog 118" track yet or checked it for straight, but will soon. I found even just trimming the splinter edge with the two 55" tracks there was a little nib going across the join, so the full track should be good for long rips I hope.

Managed to finish off little bro's dual cab battery box yesterday. Lots of fiddling but it all works and I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.

Up on top are the USB sockets and 12 Volt cig style sockets, that way he can run the fridge plus other accessories easily.

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Awning lights. I think these are too bright and they'll just attract the bugs for a camping scenario, he might need to swap them for white/amber adjustable LED's or something.

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Canopy light may need a future update as well, I didn't try it at night to see how good it lights up.

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Little 6 way fuse block. Light comes on to show a failed circuit.

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Finished wiring shots

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Back panel, switches. Bottom anderson plug will be his solar panel input that gets setup for camping. I just need to crimp the plug on the panel lead when he brings it to me.

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And that's it. Grey tape is just letting glue set where I notched out the lid in the corner allowing for the socket bracket.

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Thanks for stopping by.

GB :beer2:
 
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Originally Posted by ajohno
Looks great GB.
Thanks Aaron

Originally Posted by cortina64
Great work GB, I am currently looking at doing something similar in the back of my ute.
Warren
Hi Warren, what ute have you got ? Somewhere back here you will find the Drifta draw setup that's in the back of my Hilux.

Originally Posted by xtremek
That's a really tidy and nice job. Very nice.
Thanks Kirk.

Originally Posted by shortykorte
On the rocker switches, do you have any pics of backside or uninstalled? Brand? Are they fixed to the plate or the box?
I’m starting to collect parts for my trailer conversion and like how those set up off the mounting plate. I’m looking for switch that doesn’t protrude into the wall that much.
Shorty, here is the link to the rocker switches I used in my truck and my brothers truck. They are 12V 30 AMP rated. I'm sure you will find something that suits on your side of the pond. Link has a pic etc. Just a generic brand I dare say like most components.

https://www.jaycar.com.au/30a-12vdc-...witch/p/SK0955

Originally Posted by fartymarty
They appear mounted to the plate to me, but then I just look at photos already provided. :

Originally Posted by shortykorte
Thanks Farty. I missed that back view. Still has a lot of stick out.
Yep so what I did was recess out the 17mm plywood with my jigsaw to allow the back of the switches to fit in. They pop through the plate which is no more than 1.2mm thick (you can convert that to US gauge ) with about a 1/2" hole. Any mild steel or aluminium is fine.

I had to make the slot in the box wider as once you have all the cables connected they need a bit of room, and you need to get your fingers in there too. I found that if those switches get compressed too much they just **** themselves and don't work anymore.

I'm not sure where you are headed with the stick out bit. Depending on the current draw requirements will dictate the cable size and I guess how ugly it will look. Are you thinking of mounting the switch panel up on the side of the trailer ? You will need 2.5-3" of clearance for it to fit.

What are you going to run in the trailer ? Throw some pics up here or in your thread if you have time and I'll give you my 2 cents.

Thanks for dropping in.

GB. :beer2:
 
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Thanks. The wall thickness is 1-1/2”. Usually people have a block mounted on wall then mount switch plate to that. I prefer the flush mount look. Switches will be for interior and exterior lights.


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Thanks. The wall thickness is 1-1/2”. Usually people have a block mounted on wall then mount switch plate to that. I prefer the flush mount look. Switches will be for interior and exterior lights.

Shorty, yeah I think I can picture what you are after. Can you make up a bracket (or use a small weather proof plastic box) that sits 90 degrees to the side of the trailer instead of having them sit parallel ? That way the bracket would be say 2" wide and the toggle switches just sit vertical for however many you need.

Something like this for the box.

GB.
 
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