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OK,
So this is an existing single car attached garage here in Detroit. House is a 2 story brick colonial on a corner lot.
Here's the interesting part.......me and the wife are hoarders!
I'm making this admission here because I know there are more of us lurking out there. I want this to encourage them (And myself) that change is possible.

Existing conditions:
The house and garage are packed to the rafters.
I've built 7 sheds to hold the overflow.
All this on a 40x100 lot!

This is going to be about a lifestyle change for us both.
I'm counting on the OC among you to help us find ways to be more like you.
First step is going to be a clean out and reorganizing of the existing approx. 9x18 garage. I've begun today. For the last few years I couldn't even get into the garage from the inside or outside doors. I slid over a pile of stuff at the inside door today and began moving items from in front of me to behind me, working my way to the outside door. Kind of like those little puzzles where you have to move every other piece to make room for the piece you want to move. I got to the outside door and unlocked and partially opened it. The Airstream trailer in the driveway prevents full opening for now. I started by pulling out a lot of pieces of lumber that were stored in the garage. This included Womanized pine boards and fence boards that can be stored outside. There have been leaks and some pieces of plaster impregnated metal lath ceiling had fallen down. I pulled those out too. Filled 2 small black trash dumpsters with the debris. Stacked boxes up along the walls to make a path through the garage. Now I can almost get from one door to the other! Photos of what remains and the dumpsters and stacks of removed wood leaning on a tree follow:

Hard to get your bearings in this shot. You are looking in throught the outside garage door toward the back wall of the garage. Ceiling panels have fallen down and view is blocked by lots of stuff:
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A little to the right of the previous shot showing the boards, lumber and MDF panels that were leaning against the door. Had to move to get the door open. The garage door is one of those single piece counterbalanced types that swing up and overhead.
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This shows some of the wall to the right and lumber overhead. Somewhere under that is a bench with drill press.
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More:
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Insulation falling out of the ceiling:
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Inside of the garage door. I insulated with batts and covered with hardboard, a temporary solution a few years back.
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Next 4 photos are taken from the inside door looking out:
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2 full dumpsters for Wed. pickup. Lots more to come!
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2 shots of wood I've pulled out:
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2 shots of wood that needs dealing with. And there's lots more where that came from!
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OK, got enough out, and stacked up on the sides,to walk around the bandsaw in the middle and almost get to the inside door!
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There IS a Delta wood lathe in there somewhere...I remember using it once.
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So THAT'S where the drill press is! And look.....multimedia!
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Sub-panel for when I get that far.
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Plenty of paint! Lots more in the basement....
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Maple boards for a future workbench:
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The inside door to the rear vestibule and rear door are visible on the left. On the right of that along the rear wall is a built in rack full of paints. To the right of that is a built in bench with a flimsy wood storage rack above:
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Looking out through the outside door with more boards and tools stacked up on the right:
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Basically it's a big mess as you can see. Goal is to make it a usable space for tools for working on the 2 vans (Astro and E350).

Bill (Almost overwhelmed in Detroit)

PS: As I am editing this and adding photo captions it occurs to me that the 16th is my birthday and this project is a present to me and many days of future happiness puttering about on the garage!
 
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Holy Cow!
It looks like you could free up alot of space by stacking the wood outside under covers. Only other advice I have would be to fill those two cans every week. Once you can walk around, it will get better.
 

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Dude that's fxxxing scary. I've had a few customer's houses that approached that level of chaos but nothing like this. I think you are doing the right thing in putting your intentions out there. Sorta like going to your first AA meeting and saying, "My name is .... and I have a problem."
Document your progress no matter how small it may be. Post yr pics here. It'll help you keep moving in the right direction. Finally, it may be a little shopworn as a saying but it is true. "Every journey begins with a single step."

More power to ya man, keep us posted
 
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Holy Cow!
It looks like you could free up alot of space by stacking the wood outside under covers. Only other advice I have would be to fill those two cans every week. Once you can walk around, it will get better.

Some of the wood needs protection like the MDF and interior trim. Plus the yard is already full of sheds and stacks of lumber. Some of this needs to go. I've got 3 more cans I can fill. I can almost walk the length of it now. Tomorrow will be a full path!
 
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Dude that's fxxxing scary. I've had a few customer's houses that approached that level of chaos but nothing like this. I think you are doing the right thing in putting your intentions out there. Sorta like going to your first AA meeting and saying, "My name is .... and I have a problem."
Document your progress no matter how small it may be. Post yr pics here. It'll help you keep moving in the right direction. Finally, it may be a little shopworn as a saying but it is true. "Every journey begins with a single step."

More power to ya man, keep us posted

Thanks for the support. Yes, the idea is like announcing you are going on a diet. Then you gotta do something or be embarrassed. Well,....I may be a little past embarrassed!
But I know my GJ buddies will help me keep forging along.
 

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That is crazy. Bottom line you have way more stuff than space to fit it, no matter how well you organize. I'm no expert on these matters, but I would say a couple garage/yard/house sales, and whatever doesn't sell and you aren't 100% sure you'll absolutely use in the near future, goes in a dumpster (or two).

Lumber is tough to part with. I think everyone struggles with that. Maybe you can donate whatever you can't reasonably store.
 
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That is crazy. Bottom line you have way more stuff than space to fit it, no matter how well you organize. I'm no expert on these matters, but I would say a couple garage/yard/house sales, and whatever doesn't sell and you aren't 100% sure you'll absolutely use in the near future, goes in a dumpster (or two).

Lumber is tough to part with. I think everyone struggles with that. Maybe you can donate whatever you can't reasonably store.

Yeah, 20# of stuff and a 5# sack. Lumber is particularly hard for me because I'm a designer and builder and know exactly what I could build with it. But I've run out of house AND yard space. I'm learning to part with things. Sometimes too much isn't security, it's just too much.
The carrot on this stick is I could have a useful garage with my tools all ready to use and that just makes me salivate! I feel like going down there tonight and doing some more.
 

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You have quite the task ahead of you!

However, this is a very supportive group so you've come to the right place.

I'm assuming that if you are posting pictures and descriptions for all to see, you are open to feedback/criticism/suggestions and the like.

I'm no expert at organization, but here are some tips that *may* help:

1. Trash the cardboard boxes. I know it's tempting to keep them around just in case you move or need to store stuff, but cardboard boxes will always come around when you need them, plus, the more empty boxes you have around, the more tempting it is to fill them up with stuff.

2. Wood is good, but have an idea for it. If you are not going to use that banister in the next few months, ditch it. Same goes for the rest of the wood. Any wood that you have a real intention for (such as building cabinets), would be definitely good to keep.

3. Ditch any paint/varnish with less that 1/3 can left.

4. Get rid of 'made in China' and cheap stuff first and keep 'made in USA' and the good stuff. This could be a great starting spot. Heck, if that was what you held your criteria to, it would probably be a lot easier than you think to clean out a shop. This is totally personal opinion, but I would ditch anything made in China way faster than anything in the US of A. Keep the metal tool, ditch the cheap plastic one. Keep the nice wood, ditch the pressboard...that kinda thing.

5. Come up with a fun theme! This is just food for thought. I have found it is MUCH easier to work within a space if I have a theme going. My theme is 1950s, and more specifically, Craftsman tools. That means its MUCH easier for me to either get rid of or not even consider something if it doesn't fit within the 'theme'. You can be creative here and it makes the garage work so much more fun.

Please, please take all the above with a huge grain of salt - you've got to make things fit for you. You've got a great task ahead of you but it sounds like you have great motivation as well. Thanks for posting what you have...now we can keep you accountable!!!:thumbup:

Remember, nothing's going to change unless you get serious. Start cranking it out!! When in doubt, throw away or sell/donate.

Oh, and we'll all be waiting for updated photos in a week showing a cleaned out space:D

Good luck!
 
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You have quite the task ahead of you!
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However, this is a very supportive group so you've come to the right place.

I'm assuming that if you are posting pictures and descriptions for all to see, you are open to feedback/criticism/suggestions and the like.
Yes! I need ideas and a gentle push from time to time.
I'm no expert at organization, but here are some tips that *may* help:

1. Trash the cardboard boxes. I know it's tempting to keep them around just in case you move or need to store stuff, but cardboard boxes will always come around when you need them, plus, the more empty boxes you have around, the more tempting it is to fill them up with stuff.
I'm ditching the boxes already.
2. Wood is good, but have an idea for it. If you are not going to use that banister in the next few months, ditch it. Same goes for the rest of the wood. Any wood that you have a real intention for (such as building cabinets), would be definitely good to keep.
Banister came out of a 1M home we built and is replacing my missing one but lots of the wood in there is going into the fire pit or fireplace. What is kept will be for very specific projects (Mostly on the house).
3. Ditch any paint/varnish with less that 1/3 can left.
Most of the latex is ruined from freezing. Basement flooded and furnace went out last winter.
4. Get rid of 'made in China' and cheap stuff first and keep 'made in USA' and the good stuff. This could be a great starting spot. Heck, if that was what you held your criteria to, it would probably be a lot easier than you think to clean out a shop. This is totally personal opinion, but I would ditch anything made in China way faster than anything in the US of A. Keep the metal tool, ditch the cheap plastic one. Keep the nice wood, ditch the pressboard...that kinda thing.
Yuppers!
5. Come up with a fun theme! This is just food for thought. I have found it is MUCH easier to work within a space if I have a theme going. My theme is 1950s, and more specifically, Craftsman tools. That means its MUCH easier for me to either get rid of or not even consider something if it doesn't fit within the 'theme'. You can be creative here and it makes the garage work so much more fun.
I'm thinking a theme of "Normal Garage" might be a fun one to try???
Please, please take all the above with a huge grain of salt - you've got to make things fit for you. You've got a great task ahead of you but it sounds like you have great motivation as well. Thanks for posting what you have...now we can keep you accountable!!!:thumbup:
What have I done?
Remember, nothing's going to change unless you get serious. Start cranking it out!! When in doubt, throw away or sell/donate.

Oh, and we'll all be waiting for updated photos in a week showing a cleaned out space:D
Well, maybe a week and a day...:beer:
Good luck!

Thanks...I'm gonna need all I can get
 

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You have made some good progress...keep it up! The good news is you have some good stuff and you know what you need to do...pulling for you.

Shaun
 

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Yeah, 20# of stuff and a 5# sack. Lumber is particularly hard for me because I'm a designer and builder and know exactly what I could build with it. But I've run out of house AND yard space. I'm learning to part with things. Sometimes too much isn't security, it's just too much.
The carrot on this stick is I could have a useful garage with my tools all ready to use and that just makes me salivate! I feel like going down there tonight and doing some more.

You have to realize what you COULD do with it and what you HAVE DONE with it. Huge difference. Some of that stuff you haven't been able to get to in years.

It's hard to tell a hoarder how to get rid of things. My father used to be like that only on not of large of scale, and I started to be like that. One day I went through things and started tossing everything and never looked back. After a period of time you forget about it and/or it doesn't hurt as bad to do it.

You have a ton of woodworking equipment that you can't even get to for the wood, so that tells me you haven't made anything in a while. If the wood is worth anything, stack it according to sizes and types and sell it. What you can't sell....scrap. If the wood is shorter than a certain length...scrap it. No use keeping a 1x2 that is a foot long. You have a bunch of railing that you haven't done anything with other than toss some good intentions at it. Sell it or give it away to someone that can use it. If you tack monetary value to everything that is in there, you will never get rid of anything.

Once everything is cleaned up, only buy what you need and get rid of the rest. By that, I mean if you have a project and have some left over lumber, either use it right away for another project or shitcan it. Don't keep half of a 2x4 that only cost you $2.99 to begin with.

It's tough to toss, but once you regain the space in the house and the buildings, you wil realize how much nicer it is without all the clutter.

BTW....Happy Birthday. Mine is the 16th also :thumbup:
 

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Our company warehouse was so full of junk that we needed to rent additional space to store the raw materials we needed to make money. After a major clean up it was determined that it cost $500.00 to store a 4'x4' pallet for a year, this resulted in a gide line that if something wasn't worth $500.00 don't put in the warehouse. You may want to apply this thinking to your garage space. You may want to consider renting a dumpster. Good luck!
 

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Good luck with this. I'm looking forward to seeing your progress.

I have my own clutter and dealing with it is difficult.
 
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Today's report:
Yesterday and today my wife Julie was home sick with stomach flu so work on the Grunge Garage was slow.
I did manage to sort the pile of lumber I had pulled out and stack the good stuff in the back yard. Next was cutting up the junk boards so they would fit in a dumpster. I was wishing I had a Workmate to use. In fact, I have been looking at them on CL for a while. They go from $25-65 depending on the model. So I go in the garage to look things over and lo and behold there is a Workmate 200 we bought 7 years ago at the Restore for $4! This cleanup is turning out to be a good thing! 3rd dumpster is full and ready to set on the curb for pickup tomorrow. Slowly working my way through the garage. If an item can be stored under a tarp it goes out. If it can be disposed of it gets cut up and canned. Not really good here in Detroit for garage sales as no one has much money and you don't want to show what you have. My guideline for the garage is, if I can't see an item in the finished garage layout, out it goes to either a more appropriate place or.....gone.
 

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Great start on your "new home/garage." You have a lot of good tools shown in those pictures. I bet it's going to feel like Christmas when you undercover some of those. Can't say much more than what others have posted about getting rid of some of that stuff. You obviously know the value of some of that lumber like tha maple etc. So with every other piece of lumber that you throw out the sooner you will be able to get those project finished. Good luck and post the pictures.
 

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good start.....pulling for you as well..gotta start tossing stuff!!

Will be great having all that space to use when you get it organized.
 
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If any of that wood is usable instead of cutting it up and putting it into the dumpster, take it to habitat for humanity and see if they'll take it. Never know, you might help someone else out. Just a thought.
 

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If you want to keep that lumber, think about a rack that hangs from the ceiling. I can post a pic if'n you need to see mine.
 
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If any of that wood is usable instead of cutting it up and putting it into the dumpster, take it to habitat for humanity and see if they'll take it. Never know, you might help someone else out. Just a thought.

Stuff I'm throwing out is basically firewood..............hey, we're going camping. I should bundle some of it up.
 
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If you want to keep that lumber, think about a rack that hangs from the ceiling. I can post a pic if'n you need to see mine.

What I have now is a jury rigged one. I want to get it all out of there and open up the space. If it needs re-acclimating I can bring a few sticks in at a time for that. Show me your rack anyway!
 

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Pull it all out into the driveway or lawn very early Saturday am and garage sale it all as you sort stuff back in. You would be surprised you could easily get $2000.00 from the sale to buy something you could use better. My garage if full of **** I don't want anymore but to good to garbage it. :beer:
 
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Wed., Aug 17 Progress:

No photos yet. Spent yesterday evening getting the Astro towed with flat and no spare to a tire store. This morning got up early to take wife to work and go get 2 crappy Kennedy boxes for $10 each. Back home and take care of 4 dogs. Back out to get small beat up C'man 2 drawer and storage roller and 4 drawer top box for $30. Picked up wife from work, went and got van and ogled the SO boxes the techs had and ate dinner. Just finished an hour of pulling more boards and trim out and now have a big stack of lumber on 2 sawhorses by the front walk. Gotta cover with a tarp as rain expected tonight.Done Brought 3 empty dumpsters in ready to fill. Will sweep 6x6 cleared area in the garage!Done Stated setup by putting C'man stack in there. Photos to come later. Starting to look promising.....

Tomorrows (And a few more day's) goals:
Pick up and sort sweeping piles
Clear path to back vestibule
Clean out corner of garage for staging area for tools.
Bring small tool boxes from back yard and living room to garage.
Start bringing tools from living room and front entry/stair to clear that area for easy passage.
Keep bringing trim out to lumber pile.
Bring out balustrade
Keep sorting boxes and filling dumpsters
Move stack of lumber to back yard and find shed to store in or lumber stack to add to.
 
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Shame it's a two storey building set-up. If it was a separate building I would suggest setting a fire and letting it clean the lot out in one go !
 

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See an explanation of why I used the Confederate Battle Flag as an avatar: HERE

My former avatar (Confederate Battle Flag):

That is NOT a Confederate Battle Flag.
Stop spreading false information. Our Battle Flag is square
 
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OK, here are photos as of noon on Thursday the 18th of August. Just 3 or 4 short work periods stretched over the same number of days and it is looking like a garage will emerge. A little worried about where all the lumber will go, but as I clean out sheds, it will find a place.

Start of the lumber pile
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Some of the tools that will get out of the living room and entry and go in the garage. Microwave will go into kitchen and it will get a remodel.:
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Porter Cable pancake compressor (Trip over it as I come in the house).:
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HF service cart and 13 drawer roller will go into garage and free up living room for???
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Fridge in living room will go out and newer one on the front walk will go in kitchen.
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File cabinet on front porch will go in garage for tool storage. Fridge on front walk will have doors removed to bring it in.
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Three photos of the wood pile I have brought out of the garage and a photo of 2 trailers in front of the Airstream. One with tarp is an M416 with insulation in it. It will go out to the property once I use up the insulation for the shop I'm gonna build. The other, a 67' Apache Mesa, is for sale for $500 ($400 to GJ members).
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C'man stack I got for $20. Beat up and needs repair but will hold some tools.
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Still more lumber to pull out, but you can see the lathe now.
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One of 2 $10 Kennedy boxes I picked up yesterday:
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5 photos of the garage. Still lots of stuff to pull out. Lots to sort and dispose of and clean and organize. I find that writing and photographing this helps me to think about and focus on what I'm doing. I have your voices in my ear saying "Throw it out".

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Last photo show a couple of spots of floor. Hope to make it a trend.
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Time to go out and do some more work!!!
 

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Calm down bgarrett, the early battle flags were mostly square, but rectanglular ones were also issued and used during battles.
 

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I used to have a small pile of 2x4's, trim, etc in my garage. No more. A lot of it ends up being a mishmash of a bunch of types that aren't going to be used together, so even if you can use it later, you only use one or two items out of a pile.

I would recommend you STOP handling things 3-4 times. Put the wood where it is going to go for good. The extra steps are going to burn you out, you've got a lot of work to do and you don't want to make it worse.

Is there any possibility you can ditch the contents of one shed, and then make it the woodshed? Then anything that won't fit in there, you don't save it.

Keeping those piles of wood are just a killer because they're so difficult to move / work around.

Also, there is no way I'd be attacking this with garbage cans and cutting stuff up to go in it. You need a real 12' or longer dumpster so that you can make some real headway.

Finally, be careful looking to some of these guys for advice. No offense guys but a lot of y'all can't throw anything out. This is such an extreme case that he needs to have a big change, and completely learn to minimalize the stuff. Saving mayo jars full of mixed hardware and PB jars of plugs that came with hydraulic hoses is the kind of thing that leads to this problem.
 

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Great progress! But you just brought home two more tool boxes... I have had a difficult time going to garage sales because I wanted to buy anything that seemed like a great deal. Thats why I dont go to them anymore until my garage is completly cleaned and ready for it. Keep up the work you are doing great.
 

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Looking good BC . I got motivated last weekend to get my garage back " again " when we lost power due to a storm for 3 days :D. I had nothing better to do no TV or internet to bogg me down :D. I am working out placement of stuff now ( sitting area metal working tools area ) . I will get some pics in the next few days to update my thread . I will have to agree with the others as to tossing stuff . I have found that I come from a long line of hoarders and I have **** stacked up in here that neeeds to find its way out for good . SWMBO doesnt help either as she loves saving wood .


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Working on stuff today. Went through 3 more piles of wood and separated boards from trim. Found 8 pieces of crown molding 16' long! Found a 6/4 x 8" x 6' board of walnut!
Pulled it all out along with some concrete form boards. Put the second Kennedy box in there.
One of the next things I want to do is to clean a path out the back vestibule and door to the back yard. Then I can take things straight out there without storing them in the front yard first. I can also start bringing in the C'man tool chests from under tarps in the back yard. Going to do more work and take more photos.....

Bill (Cleaning up in Detroit)
 
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