Grunge Garage

[Kevin54]

You are right.
And it's probably too late.
No savings.
No life insurance.
Health insurance only as long as work lasts.
CC debt up the wazoo.
Health starting to get iffy.
The whole financial house of cards, health and hoarding will come crashing down soon.
I'm just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

You can save if you sell items

Life Insurance....Some have it and some don't. It's not too late to get it

Health Insurance....Use it while you can. If you end up not having any at all, they cannot refuse you help in an ER.

CC Debt....A lot of times they will write this debt off if you don't pay. Or you can get in touch with CC Counselors to help with advice on what to do.

In a bind, and I know that some are against it, but you can always file bankruptcy. In doing so, you can keep the house and a car

 

[fergus]

Now that Bill has actually admitted that he probably needs help, everybody is all riled up again. I would say to all of you that you need to relax a little. I know you all have good intentions, but this ain't gonna happen right away.

I predict it will take at least another 12 months before Bill could possibly get around to bringing in a roll-off dumpster.

 

[JC23]

I dig The Fergus but I want Bill to prove him wrong.

Think seasons, Bill. You gonna go thru another winter like you have in the past?

 

[Kevin54]

One thing I forgot to mention is that you commented about your health getting iffy. Quitte a bit of that has to do with dental, and I would venture to say the majority of it has to do with the living conditions. When you have mold, dirt, animal feces and animal urine from rodents, you will not be in great health. Then of course there is a multitude of other things that also contribute to it like stress and meals.

All something to think about.

 

[BigWil]

Bill, I refer to my prior post. Buy the house the squatters were in, mortgage it, and then move into it, with what good furniture you have left. The only items that go into the new place are those that are:

a: essential to every day life
b: clean
c: no more than required.

If you need advice on what fits the bill, ask on this thread, and get a consensus.

Then, when that is complete, clean out the current house by throwing everything out, selling what can be sold, and taking whatever scrap metal you have to the scrappers. It looks to me like you have about 5 grand worth from the pictures. Then, when it's all complete, remove existing copper wiring and water lines, then call the fire department and offer the structure to them for a training burn, or bull doze it. It's the best way to put this all behind you. You end up in a nice, functional house for cheap, you don't risk your health, and anyone you employ's health in the basement, etc. You could work all day, come home to a clean house, take a real shower, and then spend some time with Julie. This entire plan could easily be complete by fall.

Finally, when all this work is complete, start working on the hanger over the winter, and then next summer attack the farm with the 16 pop up trailers, and other stuff you have stored there. It would allow you to be totally decluttered, and have your life back by fall 2013. Then, and only then, you should look into what kind of shop you have, and you'll have the space and time to actually work in it, and enjoy it.

 

[bczygan]

JC23 "So now that you've stated the problem, what's next, Bill?"

The solution. And it has to be as big as the problem.
Just to begin today I need to start with something though.
Just put another cat on CL.
Will put the Cockatiel on later today.
Will change the wallpaper to FREE section.
Will set up the pop up and photo inside
Will call scrappers for PU.

Just pulled the **** folding trailer out. I can take a load a day to the dump for free. And also scrap out aluminum. I've got a piece of plywood somewhere for a bed and also wooden sides in the yard.

Did I tell you I have many tons of limestone stacked up too?

 

[takeiteasy]

Curious why you don't haul stuff yourself instead of calling the scrappers for pick up? Or is it not worth much? I'm thinking a few piles in your yard- scrap metals (separated), wood to burn, garbage - then haul a pile away once you've got a trailer load.

About your health, I agree, your surroundings don't help...but I'm sure you know that too. I'm thinking that since the animals have been through the whole house, there's probably stuff soaked in everywhere, plus a while back you mentioned mold in lots of places...will it ever get better without lots of expensive cleaning, tearing up, etc? I would think that buying the squatters house would really be a good move...but obviously that's easy to say from the outside. Exercise is also good...and I think this is giving you lots. I forget, are you wearing a mask while doing all of this? Not just the animal waste, but just plain dust will take its toll.

It's good to see your progress Bill! You've moved from garbage cans to trailers. Keep us posted! (just not too often

 

[Red Leader]

So far I have seen several cycles of this:


Everyone: "Bill you're life is falling about around you"


Bill: "You're absolutely right, I need to make this huge change. Just put a bag on the curb and put X on C/L"



Everyone is seeing that you are picking away at the iceberg (true), and then they call you on it (good). You take the heat pretty well (good) and are motivated to action (great).

But I don't think that this is working out. The cycle has been repeated over and over and instead of hearing about how your lawn is finally starting to get cleared, we all find out that you also own 3 planes and have hangar where you have more stuff. It is starting to get really depressing

Bill, in any normal circumstance you are making great progress, but the catch here is that you are not living in any normal circumstance. You are living in a very abnormal circumstance where you and your wife have completely filled your house up with trash and an astronomical amount of possessions, the likes of which none of us have probably ever seen. Over the last 6 months you have already proven to us over and over again that taking out a few containers of trash or leaving out a bed frame will never, ever, ever cut it.

The only thing that will cut it at this point is very drastic measures:

1. Bulldoze the house and walk away
2. Sell anything worth over $200. Use that money to get a massive roll off (probably 2 or 3) and get a crew out there that will get rid of everything. Eve-ry-thing.
3. Nope, probably nothing else will help.


While it is good that you are in the mindset of purging, you are several orders of magnitude away from making lasting, significant progress. And now you have a hanger full of stuff. Bill, this dream of finally getting free of your issue is going to require much, much more sacrifice on your part.

I know we all want to say the right thing to get you motivated to the point where you can finally tell us "I sold everything of value other that bare essentials. The planes, the hanger, the campers, the machinist tools...all gone. I have 3 dumpsters that just got delivered and the crew is coming out on Monday to get rid of everything. My life has been reborn. I can start fresh."


What is infuriating to a lot of folks here who follow your thread is that you tell us you already know exactly what needs to happen:

The solution. And it has to be as big as the problem.

...and if that is the case (it is), you'd have bulldozers, several crews, a liquidator, 5 roll offs, an exterminator, a hazardous waste clean up team, a plumber, an HVAC specialist, and who knows what else. You are unwilling to do that.

You are telling us that you are afraid to do that, but what that also means is that living and dying in trash and filth is more comfortable to you than the feelings that would be created in you by not living and dying in trash and filth. You are actively telling us this is the choice you are making. Should we really continue to try and convince you otherwise now?

And then, not to mention, casually throwing this in on the side:

Did I tell you I have many tons of limestone stacked up too?

No, you didn't. And there is probably a lot more you haven't told us.



I'm not sure I know what to say anymore. I was really hoping that in a year or two I might have even seen you start to tear into your garage and start doing some thing out there in it...but it just keeps looking farther and farther away. I wanted to be so excited for you because I knew it was going to be amazing.

And it is really sad...that it is totally because of you



It is starting to become too painful to watch this thread at its current pace because I'm afraid of what the worst may end up bringing. And it is not because it is all too beyond hope, not at all. It is because this is exactly what you are choosing.

Once again, I am going to resign myself from this thread but would love to return when the dumpster/crew is finally brought out. Yes I believe you are serious, but you will need to get serious on a whole other level if you really, truly want this. I really hope that for the sake of you and your wife's heath, happiness, and longevity, I wouldn't be kept waiting long.

 

[bczygan]

Just spent the morning chasing the cat that a lady came over to take. After she left, the cat showed up. She will come back tomorrow to get her. I'm lucky to be able to re-home a pregnant cat with no history or shots.

Now back to getting the trailer road worthy.

And a note to everyone. I've received a lot of moral support here. And also advice on what to do that runs the gamut. At this point you know just about the whole story. I finally understand that it is a BIG mess. The easy route would be to just walk away. I could take a free trailer and go to a park and be in a new place before the weekend. Walk away from the bills. Abandon the property and the planes. Easy peasy! We'd be free as birds.
That is about as reasonable as continuing to live like this (Also an option).
I am looking for a reasonable result, a normal outcome.
To get there will take more than an average amount of effort.
An extreme effort is needed, NOT a result that is extreme.
So those that want a bare earth policy are going to be disappointed.
I want a normal life with a few of the things we've worked for, before I die.
My list above is a reasonable result.
It is my goal.
First I have a lot of physical work to do clearing and purging and I'm burning daylight.

 

[BigWil]

Keep at it, Bill. If your decision is to stay, then stay. Just work your *** off for the next few months, it will be worth it. I just wish I was a little closer so I could pitch in when you need a strong back and a weak mind.

 

[rubberrodder]

It has been a long time since I checked in here. I find out you have a hangar full of stuff too? And all this limestone now too?
Is this stuff something that you are finding as you dig through the top layers, or are you dropping these little "bombs" on us so it wont sound as bad as it really is? If you want to ******** the rest of us thats okay. But stop bullshitting yourself! You have made no significant progress because you dont want to. You are afraid of the unknown of living without "stuff" and crisis. "Stuff", because you have all this **** you havent seen,touched or used in months and years. BUT, you still refuse to get rid of it. EVEN though most of it is broken, or useless from neglect. "crisis", because you havent done a thing in the basement as far as plumbing and getting rid of the sewage pit it has become. Have you ? And, at risk of being repetitive, you drop these little bombs of "I have a hangar full of stuff too" or " I have tons of limestone too" "we are haveing health issues" . You have lived in "crisis" mode for so long you have forgotten how not to be in crisis anymore.
You have read and heard all this before. The pain of change is still greater than the pain of remaining the same for you. When that changes,then you will too. Untill then, if nothing changes{in you}, then nothing will change{outside of you}

 

[Bronson]

Not likely to be anything you are interested in. I am a Sport Pilot and I fly Ultralights. More specifically, Quicksilver fixed wing aircraft. I have an MXL. a MX Super and the project is a MXIIA. They all have Rotax engines. After I fly the Super a little I might sell it. The MXIIA is definitely on the block. The MXL I will keep as long as I can fly. The MXIIA is a 2 seater. The others are single seat.

Cool, Bill, I built one of the the very first Quicksilver MX in the country, for My Boss. He was an Airline Pilot, but He crashed the MX with only about 5 hours on it.....Boy, was I pissed, it wasnt worth fixing. At least He walked away from the crash. PM Me with details about the one on the block, when You have time, I may be interested , I am coming up Your way in June.

 

[Homerr]

Bill, I'm pulling for you like a lot of us here. I have a proposal, which you can accept, decline, or ignore. If you accept it is then up to you to work out the plan how to get there.

Here it is: You have an open house party sometime on Labor Day weekend this year - that's September 1-3, 2012. This is your goal. Invite family, friends, even GJ - this is so you have to be accountable to yourself and your commitments.

You work what is an acceptable level of condition for your home to be in by then and plan accordingly. I suggest a potluck/BYOB affair.

A couple of tools to help:

- It's okay to ask for help, knowing that you might not receive it. Asking is a big deal. I think you know this since you have a history of refusing, ignoring, and not getting the help you need. Match the level of help with the level of need.

- Come clean with everything. While we're mostly strangers from the internet I hope we can all agree that there is some safety and trust here. What else have you not admitted to GJ? Get it off your chest for you, it's no skin off our noses.

- Talk to your wife and inform her of your intentions. She's an adult and can handle herself if she disagrees. Keep her, or get her, into the conversation instead of making up excuses for her and being codependent. Her stress level, work week, physical shape are her problems (she can ask for you to listen, or help even, but give her the opportunity to do so).

- Adopt an 'attitude of gratitude' by giving. So far all these items you have accumulated have ended up for naught. Try on a new dream for all these items - help others with their goals and dreams. Give building materials, tools, appliances, pop-ups, to those that can and will actually use them. It'll feel great.

- Offer some bigger ticket items as payment for labor. Someone on GJ or elsewhere wants your drill press, or the like? How about a few hours help loading a drop box in return? They'll get value, you'll get value.

- Don't be a victim. Be proactive and lead the entire war ahead, not just some minor skirmishes that you've had so far. You're a very resilient person and can do this.

- GJ, via this thread, offers a lot of support for you. Seek out other local sources of support.


Solid plan:

<snip>
2. Sell anything worth over $200. Use that money to get a massive roll off (probably 2 or 3) and get a crew out there that will get rid of everything. Eve-ry-thing.
<snip>

 

[Cougar67]

My late mother was a hoarder, but without the means to get rid of it once she collected it, it was never addressed until she died. This was before TV shows.

As her children, we had to deal with the mess she left behind after she died... We also had to deal with the fact that every picture we ever had of us kids, and of her was destroyed because of leaking roof or bugs/mice eating and crapping on our baby books, all the family albums of pictures, and every other memory of her.

I can't give you any advice other than life is short. You aren't going to use your last breath to say "I should have bought more stuff".

That was a poignant post. Any hoarder would do well to print it out and read it once a day.

 

[98TJ]

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/03/30/hoarder-evicted-from-friendship-apartment/

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — A man labeled as a hoarder by authorities is out of his apartment in Friendship.

Ken Goldsmith grabbed three bags and walked out Friday. He had refused to leave for 10 months.

“You’re gonna make a media circus out of this,” Goldsmith said to the sheriff’s deputy.

“The last thing I want is to see you hurt,” the deputy said.

The apartment has approximately six tons of trash inside, including possible rodents and human waste.

“I don’t want to jeopardize the health of the citizens of this county,” Richard Fersch, a sergeant with the Allegheny County Sheriff’s Department, said. “I’m sorry.”

Left to sort through the trash and pay for the clean-up is the landlord, Connie Lucey, who fought judges, lawyers and even the health department to get Goldsmith out of her apartment.

“I’m just happy – I just don’t want him to do it to anybody else and I hope Ken gets the help that he needs, but he’s onto his next victim, so be out there, be waiting for him,” she said.

Records show Goldsmith has done this in a half dozen apartments in the county, leaving landlords with the cleanup and thousands of dollars in bills.

There’s no word on Goldsmith’s location.

The health department is expected to be at the apartment next week and will advise Lucey on how to get rid of the trash.

 

[novaboy009]

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/03/30/hoarder-evicted-from-friendship-apartment/

That's in my backyard! I saw it on channel 2 news the other day and thought of Bill.

 

[1991Syclone]

Here's my piece of unsolicited advice. My wife and I recently moved and have been going through things we've carried around for years with the intention of using but never got around to using. I can understand the need to have things and keep them and I'm glad to see that you are realizing that you don't need as much as you once thought you did.

I also realize that you mentally can't dump everything into a dumpster and call it a day. You have an attachment to these items that some posters can't understand that makes it difficult to just throw an item away. I suspect the reason you haven't asked for help is that very reason. You wouldn't be in control of what goes, what stays, etc.

BUT, there are jobs that I read you've done that people can help you with. Pulling down the ivy on the house. That doesn't need to be done by you. Helping fix the roof, cleaning up the yard, manual labor, hauling trash to the curb. That sort of thing people CAN help you with and it doesn't give up your control of the situation.

Raking leaves may take you half a day to do. That's half a day you could be sorting through items. Maybe someone with a real trailer would offer to take the things you've decided to get rid of to the dump. I'm positive there are GJ members close to you that would offer to help if you asked.

Pick the tasks that you don't have to do yourself and that don't require you to give up control and ask for help doing them. It may be helpful to have someone around asking you what you plan on doing with the items to get you to realize that you will never be able to make use of them. It doesn't sound like your wife is ready to discuss it, so you are isolating yourself with this issue.

 

[mdbeck1]

JC23 "So now that you've stated the problem, what's next, Bill?"

The solution. And it has to be as big as the problem.
Just to begin today I need to start with something though.
Just put another cat on CL.
Will put the Cockatiel on later today.
Will change the wallpaper to FREE section.
Will set up the pop up and photo inside
Will call scrappers for PU.

Just pulled the **** folding trailer out. I can take a load a day to the dump for free. And also scrap out aluminum. I've got a piece of plywood somewhere for a bed and also wooden sides in the yard.

Did I tell you I have many tons of limestone stacked up too?

Okay, I'll throw in my advice and then shut up for a while.

1. Are you going to do anything with the limestone in the near future? If NOT then list it on CL and either sell it for cheap or give it away. I'll be going through this soon enough with my FIL's place. He passed away a year ago. I helped him haul that rock in because he was going build a fountain and do some other stuff. I'll be talking with my MIL to find out how she plans to get rid of it. I REALLY don't want to have to load that back in my truck.

2. The Bolded text above gives me some more hope. If you don't know RIGHT where that plywood is take $20.00 to the lumber store and purchase it. That saves you time and gets you moving faster. Anything that slows you down should be minimized. Keep moving. Fill your poly carts, take them to the dump and clean some more.

3. I think on the vehicles and trailers I would quit looking for the titles. That should save you a LOT of time sorting. You can get duplicate titles through the tag agency for about $20.00 each. File for the duplicates and sell, barter, trade the pop-ups, planes, and other things that will sell. That will give you working capital to fix the roof, get help for the basement, .... ...and unless you own that aircraft hangar I'd get it emptied and out of the lease ASAP. That frees up cash for assistance in the clean up or the re-roof.

4. Don't bother separating metals. It takes time. Again... anything that will eat time is an enemy right now. Sell all the metal as a bulk rate. Actually unless it is a LARGE item and you can gather a load easily I'd just put it on the corner for the scrappers. You need quality time getting the junk out. The "scrapping" is just a way to slow it down. I just put my Dad in the nursing home for a 30 day evaluation. If he ends up staying I'll have to go through his garage. I would guess that there are over 2 tons of used car parts (some good, some bad) there. I'll probably just fill my trailer and take the whole load to the scrap yard. My time is worth more that the money I will get trying to research all the parts and maximize the money.


The big thing here is to keep moving that stuff OUT of the house. Only keep those things that you have a clear plan of using in the near future.

 

[bczygan]

Julie is going to be mad. I told her yesterday I wanted to re-home the calico cat that was a stray in the neighborhood and attached herself to us.. We both fell in love with her but already have 2 cats. She wants to keep the now pregnant cat until she has kittens. I just gave he to a nice lady who wants the cat and the kittens and is willing to do the vet and spay/neuter things we wouldn't have. I'm in for it. But I know I did the right thing. Julie will get over most of it eventually. Time for me to man up and lead. Amy will send us photos of the kittens. Had to do it.

 

[bczygan]

Okay, I'll throw in my advice and then shut up for a while.

1. Are you going to do anything with the limestone in the near future? If NOT then list it on CL and either sell it for cheap or give it away. I'll be going through this soon enough with my FIL's place. He passed away a year ago. I helped him haul that rock in because he was going build a fountain and do some other stuff. I'll be talking with my MIL to find out how she plans to get rid of it. I REALLY don't want to have to load that back in my truck.

2. The Bolded text above gives me some more hope. If you don't know RIGHT where that plywood is take $20.00 to the lumber store and purchase it. That saves you time and gets you moving faster. Anything that slows you down should be minimized. Keep moving. Fill your poly carts, take them to the dump and clean some more.

3. I think on the vehicles and trailers I would quit looking for the titles. That should save you a LOT of time sorting. You can get duplicate titles through the tag agency for about $20.00 each. File for the duplicates and sell, barter, trade the pop-ups, planes, and other things that will sell. That will give you working capital to fix the roof, get help for the basement, .... ...and unless you own that aircraft hangar I'd get it emptied and out of the lease ASAP. That frees up cash for assistance in the clean up or the re-roof.

4. Don't bother separating metals. It takes time. Again... anything that will eat time is an enemy right now. Sell all the metal as a bulk rate. Actually unless it is a LARGE item and you can gather a load easily I'd just put it on the corner for the scrappers. You need quality time getting the junk out. The "scrapping" is just a way to slow it down. I just put my Dad in the nursing home for a 30 day evaluation. If he ends up staying I'll have to go through his garage. I would guess that there are over 2 tons of used car parts (some good, some bad) there. I'll probably just fill my trailer and take the whole load to the scrap yard. My time is worth more that the money I will get trying to research all the parts and maximize the money.


The big thing here is to keep moving that stuff OUT of the house. Only keep those things that you have a clear plan of using in the near future.

Don't have time right now to answer every item in every post, but there is a lot of common sense advice in the above and I will/am following it.

Bill

 

[Jolomite]

Mr. Bczygan, Nicely done with the Preggo-kitty. I know animals are a real comfort to people. I am not one of those people, but I see how much they mean to my family. So, I am very impressed that you responsibly took care of business even though it was upsetting. Very good work, Sir.

That example gives me some motivation, too. I am tackling a job search in a tight field and that seems pretty insurmountable some days. I just have to keep practicing interviewing and keeping up on professional literature and such. We will both work to get where we want to be someday- obstacles be damned!

 

[bczygan]

Mr. Bczygan, Nicely done with the Preggo-kitty. I know animals are a real comfort to people. I am not one of those people, but I see how much they mean to my family. So, I am very impressed that you responsibly took care of business even though it was upsetting. Very good work, Sir.

That example gives me some motivation, too. I am tackling a job search in a tight field and that seems pretty insurmountable some days. I just have to keep practicing interviewing and keeping up on professional literature and such. We will both work to get where we want to be someday- obstacles be damned!

They are a comfort. But they are also a responsibility. Julie says cats take care of themselves. But our home would have little time and attention for them and no vet or other care. Their new home will have plenty of both.
I'm trying to trade comfort for responsibility in a lot of areas of my life. Sometimes responsibility isn't fun. But in the long run it gives a deeper satisfaction.

 

[markviii]

Very good! Hopefully Julie will get over it soon. Just keep up the process of ridding yourself of stuff you don't need and can't afford. The money not being spent for cat food and litter can be better spent elsewhere (and the almost clean house won't have the mess that new kittens and a nursing mother present). The kittens couldn't have stayed healthy without shots and all the other stuff. It's better all around.

Chris

 

[bczygan]

She was angry and cried. I was angry with her for not calling and being 2 hours late and having her phone off. She will get over it. So will I.

Change sure ain't easy.

 

[mdbeck1]

They are a comfort. But they are also a responsibility. Julie says cats take care of themselves. But our home would have little time and attention for them and no vet or other care. Their new home will have plenty of both.
I'm trying to trade comfort for responsibility in a lot of areas of my life. Sometimes responsibility isn't fun. But in the long run it gives a deeper satisfaction.

Your logic is sounding better and better.

Tell Julie that when you get everything cleaned up and squared away you should be able to have more animals around. However you don't want too many. Two or three cats is more than most people should have. I had an Aunt who couldn't tell you how many she had. I KNOW that it was over 50 and all without shots and as wild as could be. They stayed on the back porch and you couldn't even walk out there due to the smell.

 

[Need4racin]

Tell her to quiet down and load the trailer full of scrap.

 

[Ltldemonz]

Congrats on finally coming to terms with just how big and serious your situation is and admiting you need help with it. Since you are focusing on the stuff outside this actually will be easier for you and your wife since the helpers won't be coming into the house. There have been a few people that offered a hand, if those offers are still valid, ask for small steps like assist in the removal of all the scrapmetal and limestone. Those are both very small(compared to the overall situation) but will make a noticable dent in the outside clutter and help you mentally adjust to the idea of others seeing the mess up close.

 

[Chase Rockwell]

I'm not sure if its been said yet, but you don't own any of that stuff, it owns you.
It (and the animals) control you. The sooner you get rid of it all (seriously just throw it away, I don't think you can afford the luxury of picking and choosing what to sell and what to dump), the sooner you can take your life back and do the things you want to do.

Good luck with your situation Bill.

 

[bczygan]

I'm not sure if its been said yet, but you don't own any of that stuff, it owns you.
It (and the animals) control you. The sooner you get rid of it all (seriously just throw it away, I don't think you can afford the luxury of picking and choosing what to sell and what to dump), the sooner you can take your life back and do the things you want to do.

Good luck with your situation Bill.

Chase,
Thank you for using your first post on GJ to help me. Enjoy GJ. It's great.
You are so right. Each morning, instead of trying to decide what I want to do with the day, I am faced with the gargantuan task of dealing with it all. Sometimes I wish I didn't have to wake up. That's no way to live.

 

[MadMechMaster]

You're late to work!!! Punch in and get to it.

 

[bczygan]

You're late to work!!! Punch in and get to it.

Yup!

Into the monster..............bye

 

[JC23]

Pics no good /\

 

[70Chevy]

Bill,

What do you have for limestone? I have may have a need for it.

Thanks

 

[6t6stang]

GJ Newby here. I've been following this thread for a month or two now. Gotta say you've inspired me to get rid of much of the junk that I've been toting around from house to house....just donated a bunch of decent stuff to a charity yard sale this week. Just wanted to say good luck Bill and keep at it. Oh and get that dumpster already!

~6t6stang

 

[Nighttrain]

We are holding you to the fire Bill, We need updates..

 

[red85]

Bill;

I just want to tell you that what you're doing is admirable. Old habits can take quite a hold on your life. I know of a homeowner just down the street from us that is going through what you are right now. He's a really nice older gentleman with so much stuff that he can't use 3 of the 5 rooms in the house he lives in. Hopefully, he can take a lesson from your book and start purging his collection. Remember to set reachable goals and celebrate meeting them. Your peace of mind is worth it!

Phil

 

[reddog289]

I know what Bill is going through, I myself keep stuff that "I might use down the line". Well the end of the line is almost here on this side of the Motor City, Keep plugging away at it Bill. It takes time.

 

[jeffmoss26]

No word from Bill in almost a week...

 

[Kevin54]

It shows he was on today around 1:30

 

[jeffmoss26]

Today he is posting **** about Channellock tool giveaways...