hacksaws?

[isb cornbinder]

What size blade are you trying to run?

My broken blade took flight and I do not have the pieces to make a really good guess. My research suggests that I could install a 12 - 14 inch, one inch wide blade. 14TPI bi-metal would be my choice. Lennox or Starrett are the better options, in my limited experience.
It is not so much that I cannot find a blade, but at $25-$40 per blade tightens up my, - - - purse strings. I may just bite the blade and order from Amazon. They are not the best price option, today, but they will deliver in 24 hours. Other suppliers want a minimum number order and offer 2-3 week delivery, and I pay shipping from somewhere.
My son just said, "Dad, just order the f'n blade and get an extra while you are at it. He is right. Thanks for showing interest.

 

[RTM]

My broken blade took flight and I do not have the pieces to make a really good guess. My research suggests that I could install a 12 - 14 inch, one inch wide blade. 14TPI bi-metal would be my choice. Lennox or Starrett are the better options,

I was going to check to see if I had any, but realized you are in Canada, and the shipping might get stupid, but will still check this evening.

 

[isb cornbinder]

I was going to check to see if I had any, but realized you are in Canada, and the shipping might get stupid, but will still check this evening.

I appreciate your offer. If this is going to happen, USPS is good. USPS transfers to Canada Poste easily.
I should mention, I put an order in with Amazon, for Starrett power hacksaw blades, a few hours ago. Delivery tomorrow AM.
I ordered a killer dowel pin retainer for my Cummins 4bta.

I was going to check to see if I had any, but realized you are in Canada, and the shipping might get stupid, but will still check this evening.

I was going to check to see if I had any, but realized you are in Canada, and the shipping might get stupid, but will still check this evening.

Amazon delivered on time and in perfect condition. EXCEPT, they delivered the wrong blades. the LENOX blades look good. While I am tempted to keep them, the blades are hand saw blades and not something for my KELLER power hacksaw.
I am not in a hurry, so I will take a breather while I reload. isb

 

[Eric Brown]

Not sure about this one. Cast iron 8" hacksaw. On the left side it has UNION and on the right E.C. ADKINS & Co. INDIANAPOLIS IND.
If I were to guess, it would be that Union made it for Adkins.

 

[Farmer J.]

Here is a meat hacksaw (butcher saw). It is marked across the back with "Hook-Eye" Trade Mark - A.S.Co. Owners Never Sold
and then Patented Mar. 27, 1934 Other Pats Pending. Down on the tensioning lever it has Pat.- 38 and on the other side where the lever attaches Pat. June 1935. The saw blade is 17" long, hole to hole. A little research shows that A.S. Co. is the Atlantic Service Company. They are still in business and out of England. There are no patents listed in DATAMP so these are probably English patents.

Here's the info on Atlantic Service Company, and the story of the 'Hook - Eye':

Our Story | Atlantic Service Company

www.atlantic-service.co.uk

 

[Eric Brown]

Here's the info on Atlantic Service Company, and the story of the 'Hook - Eye':

Our Story | Atlantic Service Company

www.atlantic-service.co.uk

Thanks. Good info.

 

[RTM]

Not sure about this one. Cast iron 8" hacksaw. On the left side it has UNION and on the right E.C. ADKINS & Co. INDIANAPOLIS IND.
If I were to guess, it would be that Union made it for Adkins.

I was thinking a model of saw, as seen here w Hoosier, but have not found any proof yet.

Atkins Saws in the Shop : Metal Cutting Saws : E. C. Atkins & Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

32 p.., illus., 22.8 cm, trade catalog

archive.org

And to add to my musings, over in G503 Jeep land, there are some Union hacksaws mentioned with Atkins ones nearby (including people we know in the threads), but these are adjustable frame saws, not solid cast frames as yours is. (The Union hardware Mark is not the same in this era, but that's trivial)

41-F-3390, FRAME, hacksaw - Page 2 - G503 Military Vehicle Message Forums

 

[Eric Brown]

Mansfield Products convertible 12" hacksaw. Nice solid saw. Can be used in regular or deep configurations. A favorite to use.

 

[Eric Brown]

Fits-Kit collapsible hacksaw, 10". Made by Atlas Products Co. Los Angeles, Calif. Patent 2-8-24
Pictures show process of opening up and final shape. The handle is a lever type tension. Adjust the pin by the handle with the handle open to determine final tension. Lightweight but still stiff. Blade storage in back for two blades. 10" ruler on back, left side.

 

[slowtwitch73]

^^ reminds me of the Wyoming saw a bit...

 

[Farmer J.]

Fits-Kit collapsible hacksaw, 10". Made by Atlas Products Co. Los Angeles, Calif. Patent 2-8-24
Pictures show process of opening up and final shape. The handle is a lever type tension. Adjust the pin by the handle with the handle open to determine final tension. Lightweight but still stiff. Blade storage in back for two blades. 10" ruler on back, left side.

I do like that clever design! Could be very useful for people who need to carry a minimalist tool kit, I wish I had bought one of those about 50 years ago..

 

[Beerhippie]

I do like that clever design! Could be very useful for people who need to carry a minimalist tool kit, I wish I had bought one of those about 50 years ago..

This absolutely needs to be brought back into production! It would fit perfectly into my little "road box" for my Toyota.

But then, so would my M18 angle grinder... with cut-off wheels and flapwheels. Furgettit.

 

[four.cycle]

The Fits-Kit® is a new one for me. Mr. McIntire was awarded a utility patent as well as a trademark on the "Fits-Kit" brand name and logo.

Atlas / Atlas Products Co., 134 W. 35th St., Los Angeles, CA / "Fits-Kit" folding hacksaw / TM 214840 Jul 6 1926 first use Nov 15 1925 / patent 1500406 Jul 8 1924 Erastues W. McIntire / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/hacksaws.435653/page-6#post-9980468 /


The Mansfield unit is a puzzle. Cannot find a patent number on that one. Looks like Mansfield's manufacturing facility turned into something of a problem for the EPA later on.

Mansfield / Mansfield Products, G.H. Mansfield, 2057 Fifth St., Cuyahoga Falls, OH / "Hi-Lo" Safety hacksaw / https://www.madeinchicagomuseum.com/single-post/bambino-products-co/ /



updated list uploaded 06/27/24

 

[isb cornbinder]

I appreciate your offer. If this is going to happen, USPS is good. USPS transfers to Canada Poste easily.
I should mention, I put an order in with Amazon, for Starrett power hacksaw blades, a few hours ago. Delivery tomorrow AM.
I ordered a killer dowel pin retainer for my Cummins 4bta.


Amazon delivered on time and in perfect condition. EXCEPT, they delivered the wrong blades. the LENOX blades look good. While I am tempted to keep them, the blades are hand saw blades and not something for my KELLER power hacksaw.
I am not in a hurry, so I will take a breather while I reload. isb

The Killer Dowell Pin retainer is a black anodized, CNC machined beautiful piece. It is a keeper.
RE the saw blades. I got them at KBC tools. Before tax, The cost was $30.70 each. I guess this is my new reality.
The last time I was at my favorite eatery, the hamburger I prefer was $11.50. That was in 2020. Today, that same burger is $27,25.

 

[Eric Brown]

Here are three pictures of different close quarter saws, small 6" hacksaws, and a group of mostly Allways (except bottom one) that allow positioning the blade in multiple positions.

Top down: Traditional pad saw (probably English), Craftsman No 9 35481 pat 3480055, BX Saw Company June 9, 1925 pat 1541384, Dreier Brothers USA jab saw pat pend (Patent 2966931 Jan. 3, 1961), Cunneen



Top Down: No 2627 6" (unknown), Wilson 107 pat pend. 6", Unknown 6".



Top down: Ultra Mfg. Co. "Allway Master" Nov 22, 1938 (2137800), Allway MFG. Co "Super" June 16, 1942 (2286530) Ultra MFG Co. Allway saw Oct 22, 1935 Oct. 22, 1935 (2017895) Note: Ultra Mfg. changed their name to Allways Mfg. Co. Corsair 8 USA iron.

 

[Eric Brown]

An interesting D.E. Priest hacksaw. Patented Oct. 20, 1936 (2058107) and re-issued Jan 26, 1937 (RE 20252) Note: Neither one is listed in DATAMP but some later Priest patents are. This example is not marked except on the handle is molded in "Shock Proof" and "Made in USA"
As can be seen in the last picture the handle can slide off. The handle fit is tight enough to use as is. The handle material looks like black rubber with a red rubber coating.

 

[four.cycle]

^ The Priest model was manufactured by Parker.
Are all the units in the first two images (other than the Cunneen) all made by Allway? I can't make out detail from the photo images.
(Third one down in second image looks like it might be a Milford? )

You certainly have gathered together some interesting specimens.

 

[Eric Brown]

^ The Priest model was manufactured by Parker.
Are all the units in the first two images (other than the Cunneen) all made by Allway? I can't make out detail from the photo images.
(Third one down in second image looks like it might be a Milford? )

You certainly have gathered together some interesting specimens.

Thank you. I updated my post with more info. Need more info just ask.

 

[four.cycle]

^ Those patents you were already able to find should now be posted at datamp.org

I was not able to find patents or any further information on:
Wilson Industries Inc., Chicago, IL - manufactured a "Wilson Standard" hacksaw. < is this Wilson the volleyball maker?
Wilson Industries Inc., Chicago, IL - 6 inch hacksaw (Eric Brown)

or the Dreier Bros. (Chicago IL) PAT PEND "Jab Saw" - the handle of which somewhat resembles a "PAT PEND" unit manufactured by Estwing.

I've posted my own "Milford" here below for comparison.

You might find this to be of use. I just uploaded an updated copy a few minutes ago. BK

 

[Eric Brown]

^ Those patents you were already able to find should now be posted at datamp.org

I was not able to find patents or any further information on:
Wilson Industries Inc., Chicago, IL - manufactured a "Wilson Standard" hacksaw. < is this Wilson the volleyball maker?
Wilson Industries Inc., Chicago, IL - 6 inch hacksaw (Eric Brown)

or the Dreier Bros. (Chicago IL) PAT PEND "Jab Saw" - the handle of which somewhat resembles a "PAT PEND" unit manufactured by Estwing.

I've posted my own "Milford" here below for comparison.

You might find this to be of use. I just uploaded an updated copy a few minutes ago. BK

Found the Dreier patent for the jab saw. # 2966931 Jan. 3, 1961

 

[four.cycle]

thanks!

 

[four.cycle]

@Eric Brown -

this was forwarded to me this morning:



1924 Electrical Record B-X saw ad Dec 1924 pp 431

B-X / B-X Saw Co., 730 Atlantic Ave., Boston, MA / hacksaw / patent 1541384 Jun 9 1925 Frederick W. Pierce /

I am hoping you will not object to your photo images being used at datamp.org

 

[Eric Brown]

@Eric Brown -

this was forwarded to me this morning:



1924 Electrical Record B-X saw ad Dec 1924 pp 431

B-X / B-X Saw Co., 730 Atlantic Ave., Boston, MA / hacksaw / patent 1541384 Jun 9 1925 Frederick W. Pierce /

I am hoping you will not object to your photo images being used at datamp.org

Thats great. Thank you.

 

[four.cycle]

thank YOU! your saw collection just added about half a dozen new pages at datamp.org

 

[d42jeep]

I found this Star hacksaw No.20 at a yard sale today. I haven’t yet figured out how to adjust for changing the blade length.
-Don

 

[RTM]

No.20 at a yard sale today. I haven’t yet figured out how to adjust for changing the blade length

Have not found an adjustable #20 yet, but flip the top handle up, take blade off, and pull forward to extend. Or so it looks from here.

Not in the 1949 or 55 catalog at a skim look.

 

[Eric Brown]

I found this Star hacksaw No.20 at a yard sale today. I haven’t yet figured out how to adjust for changing the blade length.
-Don

I found this Star hacksaw No.20 at a yard sale today. I haven’t yet figured out how to adjust for changing the blade length.
-Don

This particular example is not adjustable. According to the patent, there should be extra holes and a removable pin. Believe these extra holes and pin were simplified due to WWII. All the examples I have seen are not adjustable, but there may be some out there. As is, this saw has a strong frame, but the tension is not adjustable. The lever does provide good leverage and is easy to work.

 

[ptross]

here is one of the BX cable hacksaws in the magazine page above. the blade has a varied exposure from handle to tip. At the narrow end it can cut through the cable sheath but not cut the wire inside. The original ads say the saw will save time because the electrician doesn't need to walk back and forth to the vise to make each cut but can just rest the cable on his knee.

 

[d42jeep]

This particular example is not adjustable. According to the patent, there should be extra holes and a removable pin. Believe these extra holes and pin were simplified due to WWII. All the examples I have seen are not adjustable, but there may be some out there. As is, this saw has a strong frame, but the tension is not adjustable. The lever does provide good leverage and is easy to work.

No wonder I couldn’t figure out how to adjust it. I cleaned it up a little and treated it to a new blade since the old blade was trashed.
-Don

 

[d42jeep]

I remembered that I had seen some Star hacksaw blades and it seemed to me that it would be appropriate to have one on my Star hacksaw. Since the saw only accepts 10” blades I found some on eBay that were relatively inexpensive. I’m not sure what I’ll do with the extras.
A blade installed on the saw.

-Don

 

[AntiqueBen]

Today I found a hacksaw for $1. Its pretty heavy & sturdy & had a nice metal handle so I thought, what the heck. I'll clean it up & use it as a beater around the shop. But, once I started cleaning it up I saw a "No No" in my shop. What came into view was "Made In China" All my tools are USA made with a few German exceptions, but this thing is constructed like a beast. I've never cared to look into it, but are there quality made Chinese tools? I'm sure there could be, I guess. I'm going to use it as a beater anyway, but has anyone seen a hacksaw like this?

 

[Eric Brown]

Today I found a hacksaw for $1. Its pretty heavy & sturdy & had a nice metal handle so I thought, what the heck. I'll clean it up & use it as a beater around the shop. But, once I started cleaning it up I saw a "No No" in my shop. What came into view was "Made In China" All my tools are USA made with a few German exceptions, but this thing is constructed like a beast. I've never cared to look into it, but are there quality made Chinese tools? I'm sure there could be, I guess. I'm going to use it as a beater anyway, but has anyone seen a hacksaw like this?

Unfortunately, China/Tiawan has a bad reputation for cheap tools that isn't a good way to judge them. Lets face it, they are a nuclear power and that wasn't done with inferior tools. No, the issue is that the American purchasers want cheap tools to sell, so that is what they buy. The Chinese can and do make some world class tools. We just don't see them much over here.

 

[AntiqueBen]

Unfortunately, China/Tiawan has a bad reputation for cheap tools that isn't a good way to judge them. Lets face it, they are a nuclear power and that wasn't done with inferior tools. No, the issue is that the American purchasers want cheap tools to sell, so that is what they buy. The Chinese can and do make some world class tools. We just don't see them much over here.

I would agree with that. Maybe this is a better quality Chinese tool then. It's heavy & made well. I suppose I'll hang on to it. I'm sure it will get used. I'd never seen one that also had the Chinese stamped into it in addition to the English.

 

[AreBeeBee]

Unfortunately, China/Tiawan has a bad reputation for cheap tools that isn't a good way to judge them. Lets face it, they are a nuclear power and that wasn't done with inferior tools. No, the issue is that the American purchasers want cheap tools to sell, so that is what they buy. The Chinese can and do make some world class tools. We just don't see them much over here.

Also, I expect that a faithful copy of 1950s Craftsman (?) as this appears to be, would get a lot of bangs and knocks in the PRC. Frankly, Japanese items used to have a deserved terrible reputation; today that's China.

The thing is, dealers go to Chinese manufacturers for, as Eric Brown says, cheap goods. So they get cheap goods. Today, Japanese tools are generally good-to-excellent quality. Chinese tools can be good if the paying customer pays for it AND keeps inspecting the product so that quality remains high. But this is rare^3.

If you don't want junk but the budget's tight, Taiwan as a country of origin is OK-to-good and getting better, so far as I can see.

 

[AntiqueBen]

Also, I expect that a faithful copy of 1950s Craftsman (?) as this appears to be, would get a lot of bangs and knocks in the PRC. Frankly, Japanese items used to have a deserved terrible reputation; today that's China.

The thing is, dealers go to Chinese manufacturers for, as Eric Brown says, cheap goods. So they get cheap goods. Today, Japanese tools are generally good-to-excellent quality. Chinese tools can be good if the paying customer pays for it AND keeps inspecting the product so that quality remains high. But this is rare^3.

If you don't want junk but the budget's tight, Taiwan as a county of origin is OK to good and getting better, so far as I can see.

Oh I get it. Competition drives dealers to sell what people are willing to pay. It will be the only Chinese tool in my shop, but I'm happy to use it. It's a lot heavier than some of my other USA made hacksaws.

 

[Joe Huld]

Here is the latest hacksaw, a Lancashire pattern 4 inch. I've had a few Lancashire pattern hacksaws over the years but never one this small, most seem to be 8 to 10 inch. The frame is marked "P A" "STUBE or STUBS" and "17". The blade appears to have been sharpened several times without jointing but is early, if not original.

 

[RTM]

The frame is marked "P A" "STUBE or STUBS

I know of Stubs as a file maker. There might be stuff in here. I thought he made lots of Jeweler's stuff, but not seeing that right off

Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Texts, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine

archive.org

 

[Joe Huld]

I know of Stubs as a file maker. There might be stuff in here. I thought he made lots of Jeweler's stuff, but not seeing that right off

Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Texts, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine

archive.org

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, I think I may have a hand forged divider that looks like it might be from Stubs

 

[four.cycle]

British maker. Check out GracesGuide as well:

Stubs / Peter Stubs Ltd., Warrington, England / est. 1773 / files, pliers / https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Peter_Stubs /

 

[AntiqueBen]

Here's a Millers Falls No. 84 hacksaw I found today for $3. It cleaned up nice. I've never seen a handle like this before??