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metaldad

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Don't know the weight, guess it to be a 12oz.
Building I found it in is 35 years old, and has /is real busy with contractors.
First Channelock branded shillelagh I have.
 
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I don't know about now, but when The Stanley Works really was "The Toolbox of the World" instead of just another one of China's customers, most of their hammers were made by Atha Tool Co., a metalworking tool manufacturer purchased by The Stanley Works in 1913.

So, in all probability, Channellock's line of hammers originally came from Stanley-Atha.

The Channellock hammer that metaldad posted could be 20-30-40+ years old. I've only got one Channellock hammer, but it's the same red color, and I bought it new around 1968.

I doubt that, Champion DeArment,was a Farrier tools mfg first, then got into pliers and specifically Channellocks.

from AA:

Champion DeArment is actually one of the older American tool makers in continuous operation, with original roots going back to 1886 when its founder, George B. DeArment, operated a blacksmith shop.

Champion DeArment offered a wide selection of ballpeen hammers, with head weights ranging from 3 up to 40 ounces.
 

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I doubt that, Champion DeArment,was a Farrier tools mfg first, then got into pliers and specifically Channellocks.

from AA:

Champion DeArment is actually one of the older American tool makers in continuous operation, with original roots going back to 1886 when its founder, George B. DeArment, operated a blacksmith shop.

Champion DeArment offered a wide selection of ballpeen hammers, with head weights ranging from 3 up to 40 ounces.

Then maybe it's just a coincidence that Stanley-Atha branded ball peen hammers and Champion DeArment/Channellock branded ball peen hammers look so much alike.

Or, maybe Stanley-Atha didn't care that in 1914, when Champion DeArment first offered hammers (note 1 below), that their ball peen hammers looked an awful lot like the ones Atha had already been making for at least 40 years (note 2 below).

In any case, there's no doubt that Atha made Stanley's ball peen hammers:

1904 catalog:

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1925 catalog (and a Hammacher Schlemmer catalog at that, when they sold real tools and hardware instead of just shiny Yuppie toys):

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1939 Stanley Catalog No. 139:

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Note 1: 1914 date from the Channellock website history page (scroll down alongside 3rd photo):

http://www.channellockproducts.com/history.php

Note 2: Note at bottom of Atha listing in 1904 catalog image posted above that it says:

We have sold this brand of Hammers (sic) over 30 years, and guarantee them.

That implies that Atha had been making hammers since at least 1874, predating Champion DeArment's line of hammers by some 40 years.

Note also that the "Mechanics' Pride" brand hammers listed below the Atha hammers look a lot like Stanley-Atha and Champion DeArment ball peen hammers. Maybe it was just the style of the day.

Further, to confirm the history of Atha, John Walter's Antique & Collectible Stanley Tools Guide to Identity & Value (basically the bible of Stanley tool collecting) says:

It was the purchase of the Atha Tool Company in 1913, of Newark, New Jersey, which provided the most substantial addition to Stanley's proposed line of steel percussion tools. Atha's history went almost as far back a Stanley's. (ed. note: Stanley's went back to 1859 as The Stanley Rule & Level Co.) It had accumulated important resources in timber and steel and offered a line of products including hammers, sledges, wedges, anvil tools, blacksmith's tongs, railroad track tools, cold chisels, punches, structural-iron workers' tools and a considerable number of related items. Most importantly, they had developed a fine reputation, built largely by the skilled craftsmanship of a veteran staff. Stanley preserved the organization intact, as a division operating in Newark.
 
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Just to add to the entertainment, I found a Bonney and a True Temper with the same head style pattern as the Champion DeArment and Stanley patterns...

I think everyone was copying everyone else; and at least Stanley, CD-Channellock, True Temper and probably EverKeen were mfgs, but who made the contract hammers for (presumably) Mac, Bonney, and my No name is anyone's guess. :dunno:

Plumb definitely had a different style where the side a very round, and I have many no names hammers that emulated that to one degree or another...
 

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Can any of you tell me what color the metal head on a "Greene, Tweed" split head hammer was originally? I have the rust off of one I am refurbishing and I would like to paint it close to original. Most of the ones I see for sale on the web look silver or aluminum color.
 

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Here is another BP I replaced the handle on...I originally got it from a garage sale, this is the 2nd handle replacement by me! The first go-around I did not have access to a belt sander so it was chiseled/whittled away and fairly weak. Needless to say, this should last a long time!
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Can any of you tell me what color the metal head on a "Greene, Tweed" split head hammer was originally? I have the rust off of one I am refurbishing and I would like to paint it close to original. Most of the ones I see for sale on the web look silver or aluminum color.

Sorry, can't say I've ever seen one. Post a pic!
 
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I got a couple of Body hammers today, one handle marked "US Govt" (Or so I suppose through the flakes and chips...) and one had USN vibro scribed on the edge of one hammer face.

Small markings are cast in as "ABC" on both:

Anyone know who the mfg would be?

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What's the difference from a drilling hammer and an engineers hammer?
 

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So there the same. I thought they were but seeing how they had different names. I was confused and thinking they had different usage.
 

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Guess I never posted pictures of these 2 I got sometime last month.
The metal one is probably shop made, it's steel and says FIRESTONE on the shaft.
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As of today, it has a handle!
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Wow Jeff, did you find/re-purpose that, or did someone make it for you? (I don't recall you being a machinist...) It came out nice!
 

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Now all the hammer fans are all in the same place I have a question about an old Estwing...
I have owned the one on the right (20 ounce leather washer grip hammer) for years now and fairly recently bought an older one from a secondhand shop. Its the one on the left with the different shaped head and the claws are far more curved.
Does anyone know what kind of age the old one on the left will be?
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Then just to thow a few more into the mix I have these three. Top is a quite new 25 ounce 18" long framing hammer I bought when the middle one went missing for a while.
The centre one is my standard framing hammer which is a 24 ounce 16" long version and the bottom is my 20 ounce leather washer grip finishing hammer as the framing ones are a bit much for tapping a pin in.
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This picture shows that the blue 25 ounce framer carries most of its weight right at the striking surface and has less metal on the rest of the body where its not needed.
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Then there's an English made Thor.
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A few I bought for my lovely wife who sometimes makes jewellery and so on, they were bought secondhand and I think used to be owned by a clockmaker as there were a lot of clockmakers tools for sale that time.
Most of them made by Whitehouse/Atlas Forge in England.
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a few more bits and bobs I bought her including a bick iron and creasing irons.
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I have quite a few more but no pictures of them as yet.
 
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I figured they used these in the UK...lol
http://estwing.com/i_leather_claw_hammers.php

I've seen a few people with English pattern Estwings, its a nice weight at 24 ounce but I don't see them for sale often, there's also a leather washer grip, English pattern 24 ounce ripclaw version that I wouldn't mind getting my grubby mitts on.
Its about as rare as rocking horse shite and the only time I've seen them is online. I really like the ripclaws though and any I buy in future wil have ripclaws instead of the more curved claws.
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:+1: Mostly this.

Careful use of a belt sander can help for final sizing, and/or a strip sander. Once I had to size a 30" ax handle to fit a hewing hatchet head with a pocket knife, as we were camping at the time and we broke the old handle. That was fun...

Hey OUTLAW,

Can you go into a little detail of how you fit the Stiletto onto the cross pein. I just got an old Roughneck Cross pein, and I found a House Handle that works, but I have a Stiletto Ti Framer-(BTW, if you frame, BUY THIS!), and now I would like to buy Stiletto handles to replace any needed.

I looked at Stiletto website, and they no longer sell the machinists hammer handle you used. Can I use a 16" straight framers handle if the head piece is larger than what I need (1-1/8 x 7/8 oval)? photo below, link....http://www.stiletto.com/p-16-16-straight-hickory-replacement-handle-121419-21oz.aspx

Thanks! :thumbup:
 

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Ii posted this picture in yjWranglers thread about rehandling a hammer.
Thought I'd put it here too.
All these met up with the BurrKing belt grinder with a used up 80 grit belt.
All of them had chipped or mushroomed faces.
Made the mistake of not derusting them chemically first because the Plumb Tinners hammer almost ended up with the markings ground away.
 

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Anyone having issues with the older estwing leather handles? they look great new, but after a while they start to crack and become unsalvageable.

makes things worse that estwing arent allowed to sell the leather bits for a repair.
 

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OK, I just read this from start to finish and see lots of toolbox drawer shots with Cross Peen Engineer's Hammers in them.

For the life of me I can't imagine a relatively "modern" usuage for the cross peen face though they seem to still be available in nearly every hardware store I visit.

The best I can come up with is that the cross peen face would actually be good for wedging up a railroad spike enough to get a bigger pry bar on it for removal. I also think blacksmiths use a similar shaped head to split hot iron but again.. not a "modern" usage.

You guys using this as a wedge to beat apart front end parts like a pickle fork or what? Would this have ever been used "peen" something over?

This boy needs an education..
 
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OK, I just read this from start to finish and see lots of toolbox drawer shots with Cross Peen Engineer's Hammers in them.

For the life of me I can't imagine a relatively "modern" usuage for the cross peen face though they seem to still be available in nearly every hardware store I visit.

The best I can come up with is that the cross peen face would actually be good for wedging up a railroad spike enough to get a bigger pry bar on it for removal. I also think blacksmiths use a similar shaped head to split hot iron but again.. not a "modern" usage.

You guys using this as a wedge to beat apart front end parts like a pickle fork or what? Would this have ever been used "peen" something over?

This boy needs an education..

The answer to your question lies in doing more metal work! :evil:


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Seriously, ask yourself this: what good is having two identical faces? :dunno:

I suppose you could grind one dead flat and leave the other it's original slightly convex shape, that might be useful...

But to answer your question; if you have a really heavy rivet set close to an obstruction, the std face wont get there. I've also used one for crimping two pieces of metal together one inside the other (Stepped rod) Sometimes I want to concentrate a blow in a narrow area, and not across an inch and a half or so of area. A smaller hammer might solve that, but not with the weight the cross peen engineers hammer brings to the game... Just a sampling of uses...
 

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The answer to your question lies in doing more metal work! :evil:


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Ha ha ha.. too good.. I'm guessing you found the link in my sig. Seriously.. of the 50+ toolboxes in our plant there isn't a cross peen hammer in any of them... lots of ball peens, engineers hammers, and my favourite, a 20lb sledge on a 4 foot handle in each welding bay :shocking:

I can see your point on not having two faces the same. Though often on a 'two face the same' hammer I'll try to use the most beat-up face on stuff that's going to beat it up even more and the smoother face on stuff I'm trying not to marr-up too bad. Kind of the same theory as a double bit axe.. one keen side and one utility side.

It makes sense to have all that weight at your fingertips for tight spots when you may not have a suitable bar or punch on hand... I guess I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for one that catches my fancy (really though.. I should never let knowing what the heck it does slow me down from aquiring a new tool right? :beer:)
 
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Here are two hammers I have that I think are pretty cool.
The big one was from a yardsale, the seller I think said it came from a blacksmith shop. Very heavy for the handle size! Looks like it had LOTS of use.

The all metal one came from a guy down the street who 'made' it himself. Nice guy that use to work in a Stanley tool and die plant in town before it before it closed. Haven't left one of his yardsales yet without buying something. Even gone twice to the same sale to get stuff I decided I should buy. I just think its pretty cool looking!

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Ha ha ha.. too good.. I'm guessing you found the link in my sig. Seriously.. of the 50+ toolboxes in our plant there isn't a cross peen hammer in any of them... lots of ball peens, engineers hammers, and my favourite, a 20lb sledge on a 4 foot handle in each welding bay :shocking:

I can see your point on not having two faces the same. Though often on a 'two face the same' hammer I'll try to use the most beat-up face on stuff that's going to beat it up even more and the smoother face on stuff I'm trying not to marr-up too bad. Kind of the same theory as a double bit axe.. one keen side and one utility side.

It makes sense to have all that weight at your fingertips for tight spots when you may not have a suitable bar or punch on hand... I guess I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for one that catches my fancy (really though.. I should never let knowing what the heck it does slow me down from aquiring a new tool right? :beer:)

All mine came from Yard/estate sales; cheap!
 

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I just scored this off CL last night for $35...a couple of them are Plumb's.....up until now I just had the usual batch....20oz framing hammer....couple of generic 16oz, 1 2lb'r, 1 plastic....and a sledge hammer

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^^^^^^^^^^Very cool! Nice find of very usable hammers in good shape. Does make me think about the saying 'dumb as a box of hammers' though. :lol_hitti
 

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Just a couple...

My new 10lb. 16" handle right now.
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My "Demon." The opposite side of the hammer is marked DEMON. Got just the head. I installed a new handle, and painted/cleared all but the face. Been my go-to since.
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Anyone having issues with the older estwing leather handles? they look great new, but after a while they start to crack and become unsalvageable.

makes things worse that estwing arent allowed to sell the leather bits for a repair.

As soon as I buy them I sand the pretty horrible varnish of the grip washers.
You can get new washers for them HERE
Fairly sure its the bottom one on the list that looks like this.
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I have a couple of old hammers I wouldn't mind doing at some point.
 
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