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plane sharpening: It doesn't take "SEVERAL hours"

Not a good idea for a novice, but IF you are experienced at sharpening planes, the HF #4 or #33 hand planes CAN be turned into very "serviceable" tools. There are a couple video on YouTube showing the process. This take SEVERAL hours of hand grinding/sharpening and really should only be attempted by an expert (not me) !

Harbor Freight No 33 Bench Plane Review and Tuneup

There is the hard way And the Easy way and the Right way.
But if it takes SEVERAL hours that is the WRONG way.
I have a Tormek, and that is not a cheap way to sharpen, but it has been worth it to me. Still, there are a variety of methods to get decent results that a novice should learn. That is part of moving beyond novice-hood.
 
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Edit: also a bar of wax to hit the sole of your metal plane to make it easier to push is a god send in my book!

OUCH! That does work, but I prefer to polish the metal with a Scotchbrite pad. Adding random wax residue on your project can make cleanup and surface prep more of a chore.
 

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Nice old plane. It will serve you well. I would not buy a #5 until you figure out what the #4 won’t do for you.
 

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The guy on Wrangler star youtube channel had a good video on bringing a basic cheap Stanley plane up to spec. If you had time to spend on tinkering, this it looks like a good option. Sorry i have no link but Google 'Wranglerstar Stanley plane restoration' to get to it.
 

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Just ordered a used paperback copy of this book from Amazon for $4

I just bought one from Amazon to.
7 bucks is good enough.


If the copy is as good as the cover, that is a good book. Nice eye candy on the cover.

I saw the link for Amazon and a copy at $61 :eek: I didn't want to seem like a shill for the author/publisher.
Full disclosure: Andy Rae is a good friend of a good friend of mine. We've met and hung out at a couple woodworking shows. We've shared a meal or two,coupla beers, and traded tools,ideas,encouragement and knowledge.
Doesn't change my thoughts on the content of the book....only difference is my copy is autographed....:rocker:

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The guy on Wrangler star youtube channel had a good video on bringing a basic cheap Stanley plane up to spec. If you had time to spend on tinkering, this it looks like a good option. Sorry i have no link but Google 'Wranglerstar Stanley plane restoration' to get to it.


I watch Wrangler star on you tube. I'll check it out some cold winter day!
 

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I just won this for 41 bucks. I'll look for a older number 5.

Get them set up, sharpened, waxed, and I'll be ready to go. Thanks guys.



Watch some vids on how to true up old planes. The sole of the plane is usually not flat so needs to be flattened similar to the cutter but with different grits. Also you need to verify you have the right parts. A lot of these have other parts stuck in place of the original and might not be fitting right. Can’t think of his name but you tube has a British guy that does great in depth videos in this
Here he is

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I watch Wrangler star on you tube. I'll check it out some cold winter day!
Wrangler star isn't someone I'd rely on for proper tool maintenance. Paul sellers is the youtuber for woodworking hand tools. He owns a wall of bench planes.

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Watched the Paul sellers stuff and the Wrangler star stuff.

Funny thing is that Wrangler star says he watchs the Paul sellers stuff and that's what he is quoting in his vids.
So no bad information there.
After watching a bit of this stuff I don't see the what the big deal is. It's just basic hand tools/mechanical/ maintenance stuff.
And nothing I wouldn't have figured out on my own if I had tinkered for a few hours in my shop, vs. watching the videos.
 
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My first plane was a Record #4 maybe 25 years ago. Fooled around getting it true/flat (didn't need a lot of help but it needed the sole trued). Ended up with a Hock blade and it is still my most used plane. The Hock really made that plane into something much much better than original.

Bought a Stanley low angle block plane new, the truing exercise went faster and stuck with the original blade. It gets used a lot even though I have the equivalent LN #102's.

Along the way bought Japanese stones. Found I was spending too much time sharpening, or pushing the tool too far because I didn't want to break my setup and take the time to sharpen. This resulted in tearouts etc toward the end of a job because of my impatience.

Eventually figured out that Lie Nielsen and a Tormek were the way to go because I only have so much time. I'm glad I took the steps along the way because I really learned a lot. With all that manual work I can tell by the feel, sound, and shavings what's up with the plane.

I can do with that old tuned up Record #4 what I do with my Lie Nielsens and still use it more than any other. BTW I have a LN #4-1/2 and you gotta man up/skew to push that thing.

OP take your time and enjoy your hand tool journey.
 
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Just curious. Can you post pictures of your problem plane. I bought a few to play with and they were all just fine. I even made some blades for them and turned mine into a pretty decent scrub plane. A thicker blade works wonders.

LN planes are the best and I use them in my work. But if someone has no plane knowledge, the LN pricetag is a very high cost of entry.
Nope, I chucked mine, same with that crappy #4 HD sells for 20.00 that uses 2 adjustment screws; some things just aren't wasting my life over. You'll note I also mentioned Veritas, which is premium but not as bad and agree that the sweetheart stanleys are worth the money.

Edit: also a bar of wax to hit the sole of your metal plane to make it easier to push is a god send in my book!
As someone else mentioned, wax can screw up the ability of glue to work on a jointed surface or screw with a finish on a final surface. I polished the bottoms of my planes with 2k grit wet sand paper and they glide fairly nicely and I doubt they'll need to be done again.
 

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My first plane was a Record #4 maybe 25 years ago. Fooled around getting it true/flat (didn't need a lot of help but it needed the sole trued). Ended up with a Hock blade and it is still my most used plane. The Hock really made that plane into something much much better than original...

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A Hock blade in an old Stanley No.4 is my most used hand plane. Same blade will also fit a No.5, so it's a good investment.

The older laminated blades, sometimes labeled "Cast Steel" are also very good and will hone to a very sharp edge. Avoid any vanadium alloy blades: they might be durable, but they won't take a hair shaving edge like the older blades do.
 

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re the wax I just put a little Johnson's paste wax on mine in storage to prevent rust. Don't cake it on or anything and its easy to wipe off excess residue before use. Never had an issue with it fouling a surface for glue or finish. It's gone in the first few swipes.
 
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One other trick - buy an few extra Hock and when your blade gets dull in the middle of a job you can just swap it out. Then have a sharpening party some evening when you have nothing better to do.
 
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One painless way for a beginner to start is with a HF plane like this:
https://www.harborfreight.com/no-33-bench-plane-97544.html

Use a coupon and the drive away price is lunch money. And this is a nice #3 sized bench plane. Learn how to sharpen and adjust the blade. Use soft, knot free construction lumber for learning. First discovery is that you need a cabinetmakers bench with dogs to hold your project steady. Practice until you can pull a long, thin, full width shaving from a 24" section of a 2x4. Hint: your bench plane works better if you skew it 5-10 degrees.

You will know you have succeeded when you pull shavings like the ones in the pictures. Good luck.
Buy two of these.
Scrub plane first, then smoothing.
For this reason.


Unless you have (or want to invest in) a certified flat reference plate, go buy a large (12x12 or so, whatever you can find) flat porcelain tile at lowes or HD. This is good enough for the kind of work you're going to do.

Get several sheets of 3M sandpaper with 'wetordry' backing paper, from 80 up to 800 with as many grits as possible in between. Maybe 1200. Maybe 3000.

Get a dollar store bottle of cheapo windex or fill a spray bottle with distilled water (not 'purified water' as its not just pure water).

Wait for a rainy day. It's going to be a long boring day so you will want to bring a tv or laptop into the shop with you.

You need to flatten your plane's sole, so you have few or no machine marks except maybe very near to the centerline, and especially the sole around the mouth of the plane needs to be nice and flat and smooth. Once you do this with one, do the other. Go up the grits but spend way more time than you think is necessary at the lowest grit, that's where most of your true cleanup is going to come. When I flattened my HF #33, I used 4 sheets of 80 wet sanding and 1 sheet of all the others, and it's a mirror finish everywhere but for the center line.

The flatter the plane's sole is, the flatter your final results will be when planing. If the center is cupped up a little there's no harm, but you don't want too much away from flat. Think of your hand held power planer or your bench jointer. Your flat reference is everything.

To make the scrub plane you select whichever of the plane bodies has the wider mouth (or the one that needs to be filed to straighten if necessary), and maybe even want to make it wider still. Flatten them both first though because all else equal whichever sole you can get the mouth cleaner and smoother, choose the other for the scrub.

For the plane irons, basically you want to flatten the back the same as you do the soles above, but you want to do the bevels first. Look at the bevels, whichever is in worse shape set aside for the scrub blade. You can use the roller linked above and if you are going to get into chisels it's a good tool to have, same method with the flat plate and sandpaper to wet sand sharpen it, or you can get a machine like a Tormek or a 1x30 belt sander with a selection of belts and an angle guide like this.

One of the two plane irons you are going to draw a curve (I chose a 4" radius soup can) and grind down that round profile. You will be left with only a partial bevel in the middle and have to put a new bevel on the curve edges. Not a bad idea to do a little rounding of the corners just in case one would grab something in the work piece and pull your plane and cause a nick in the blade.

Putting the bevel can be done on a bench grinder but I'm not good at setting the grinder's guides so I used it only to bluntly create the round edge. After I ground off the scrub plane's blade round I used the 1x30 with the above guide to create a new curved bevel and go up the grits to get it sharp. Just pick a spot and pivot around it an even number of times back and forth. 80 grit is fine for creating the bevel again, I did one with a lower grit but went through the same number of belts and took the same length of time either way. Believe it or not once you create the bevel on the rounded edge, it takes about the same length of time sitting in front of the machine that it takes for the smoothing plane by hand. I imagine it would take significantly longer to bevel the round edge by hand.

All the grinding and sanding you do with any power tool, you will want a tub of water to quench the blade as it starts to get too hot to hold the part thats just been worked; too much heat will ruin the hardness that comes from the temper, which results in it not holding its edge enough to be worthwhile.

My first HF #33 I did 100% on the flat plate for the sole, bevel & flat of the blade. Both blades were finished on the buffer wheel with black compound. I'm now working on a third one since a friend wants a scrub plane like mine.

I also made myself a denim strop block that I use to prolong the time between sharpening the blade. It's just a scrap of jeans glued to a 'flat' piece of pine. Stropping this way doesn't need any kind of real precision to it, since a leather strop is used without any solid piece backing it up. You just put a little white compound and go with the grain a few strokes then put it back on the plane and keep going. Much more convenient than getting the leather out every time. This doesn't last forever but it can give you a lot more use of the blade between sharpenings. I do the same with my chisels.

Total time invested in one smoothing plane and one scrub plane for me was about 6-8 hrs. I took my time and am meticulous in general. A lot of that time is something you'd only have to repeat if something bad happens like a nick in the blade or a chip in the plane's sole. If your plane sole starts to look nasty you probably do want to start down at 80 if simply cleaning it with whatever chemicals you use don't clean it; but you don't need to do all the work of removing machine marks again; wood is abrasive and you may have some much shallower scratches on it but these soles and irons are machined on a belt sander and that's the marks you're removing in the first steps.
 
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Agree, I put some paste wax on everything. Done correctly it doesn't foul wood. Nor does it do anything to the gluing of joints.
 

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So, I've read the threads, and searched all over.
Just not finding what I want.
I'm a novice to intermediate woodworker. But I'm addicted to power tools. Recently I started going back to more hand tools. I bought a big long plane for table tops, and mini plane for some things, but neither is a good basic "go to" plane. I need to pick up an all around plane.
I understand the older planes are the one to get. That's fine. I want to buy one (to start) a good all around plane, I build smaller stuff. Smalls tables, wall hanging stuff, etc,etc. Would a old Stanley no.4 be the place start?

If you can find a 1940s Stanley plane, you'll have found the best plane ever made.
 

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Lie Nielsen and Lee Valley Veritas are high quality planes with excellent blades. They are the way to go if you are serious and have the $$$ to fund your adventure. Vintage Stanley planes (1880--1940) are well made but have thin blades. In addition, quality is all over the place. Manufacturing improved over time until quality took a hit later on. And lots of these planes are over 100 years old with condition that shows its age. It takes culling or good luck to find quality users. Ditto with the thin blades. Laminated Stanley blades of the 20s and 30s are the best I have found.

The real beauty of new planes like LN and LV is that they have less backlash than vintage planes and the blades are thicker. Less backlash means easier adjustment and thicker blade means that the plane is more forgiving in use. Being thin and soft, vintage Stanley blades are easy to sharpen. Set it for a very fine shaving to compensate for lack of bulk and these blades work well--just not too long between sharpenings.

Vintage plane shortcomings can be overcome with labor and extra blades/planes. I keep several vintage Stanleys of each size so I can swap during projects. But my LN planes work solo. So in a practical setting, one premium plane can take the place of three or four on the shelf.
 

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Lie Nielsen and Lee Valley Veritas are high quality planes with excellent blades. They are the way to go if you are serious and have the $$$ to fund your adventure. Vintage Stanley planes (1880--1940) are well made but have thin blades. In addition, quality is all over the place. Manufacturing improved over time until quality took a hit later on. And lots of these planes are over 100 years old with condition that shows its age. It takes culling or good luck to find quality users. Ditto with the thin blades. Laminated Stanley blades of the 20s and 30s are the best I have found.

The real beauty of new planes like LN and LV is that they have less backlash than vintage planes and the blades are thicker. Less backlash means easier adjustment and thicker blade means that the plane is more forgiving in use. Being thin and soft, vintage Stanley blades are easy to sharpen. Set it for a very fine shaving to compensate for lack of bulk and these blades work well--just not too long between sharpenings.

Vintage plane shortcomings can be overcome with labor and extra blades/planes. I keep several vintage Stanleys of each size so I can swap during projects. But my LN planes work solo. So in a practical setting, one premium plane can take the place of three or four on the shelf.

Many manufactures make replacement blades that fit the old Stanley planes.
Just put a Lie Nielson blade in your old plane as an upgrade.
 
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I really wonder if half of you guys actually read these posts or if you're just soliciting information to listen to yourselves talk.
 
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I skimmed through the entire thread, and did not yet see a link posted to "The Superior Works - Patrick Blood and Gore." Ignoring the title, that site is perhaps the most comprehensive grouping of knowledge pertaining to Stanley handplane types. Perusing through the 'bay or CL, i found it useful to reference when you find something that catches your eye.

Other resources online can also walk you through dating an old plane based on whether the front knob is high or low, the patent dates, etc. I dated a few tools i inherited back to circa. 190x.

The two most useful handplanes for someone coming from a power tool approach, in my opinion, would be a good No. 4 set up for smoothing, and an adjustable-mouth block plane. Mill your stock and create your joinery with the power tools, and do the finesse work with those two. Forgo a RO sander and use the No. 4 instead to smooth parts, and even joint edges for small panels. Ease edges, create chamfers, and flush up details with the block plane.

The block plane could be either a 9 1/2, or a 60 1/2. The adjustable mouth gives you the freedom to hog off a nice chamfer on the edge of a board, or tighten down to smooth small parts and flush up dowels. They're more forgiving of condition and easy to tear down and clean up.

An older No. 4 can be a mixed bag, but was my first and only handplane for a while. In order to work properly and take thin shavings, the sole must be dead flat, at the very least fore/aft of the blade. If not, it won't take a good shaving and can be the reason someone swears off handplanes. If buying online, if a tools is advertised as a "user" or was in service by its previous/current owner, it's generally a good sign. Flea market and/or barn flips can go either way.

Sounds like you're certainly capable of tinkering and following along with any of the good online teachers. $30-40 (?) worth of No. 4 from mid-to-early century can serve you quite well. "Stanley Bailey" models are viewed as more desirable than later "handyman" series Stanley planes geared towards the homeowner. New blades from Hock, Lee Valley, et al are nice, but not necessary if the original blade hasn't been ground down to a stub and isn't pitted. There's always a progression -- and hand tool woodworking is no different. The rabbit hole goes as deep as you're willing to venture -- as is always the case with a new hobby.

Good luck!
 
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I skimmed through the entire thread, and did not yet see a link posted to "The Superior Works - Patrick Blood and Gore." Ignoring the title, that site is perhaps the most comprehensive grouping of knowledge pertaining to Stanley handplane types. Perusing through the 'bay or CL, i found it useful to reference when you find something that catches your eye.

Other resources online can also walk you through dating an old plane based on whether the front knob is high or low, the patent dates, etc. I dated a few tools i inherited back to circa. 190x.

The two most useful handplanes for someone coming from a power tool approach, in my opinion, would be a good No. 4 set up for smoothing, and an adjustable-mouth block plane. Mill your stock and create your joinery with the power tools, and do the finesse work with those two. Forgo a RO sander and use the No. 4 instead to smooth parts, and even joint edges for small panels. Ease edges, create chamfers, and flush up details with the block plane.

The block plane could be either a 9 1/2, or a 60 1/2. The adjustable mouth gives you the freedom to hog off a nice chamfer on the edge of a board, or tighten down to smooth small parts and flush up dowels. They're more forgiving of condition and easy to tear down and clean up.

An older No. 4 can be a mixed bag, but was my first and only handplane for a while. In order to work properly and take thin shavings, the sole must be dead flat, at the very least fore/aft of the blade. If not, it won't take a good shaving and can be the reason someone swears off handplanes. If buying online, if a tools is advertised as a "user" or was in service by its previous/current owner, it's generally a good sign. Flea market and/or barn flips can go either way.

Sounds like you're certainly capable of tinkering and following along with any of the good online teachers. $30-40 (?) worth of No. 4 from mid-to-early century can serve you quite well. "Stanley Bailey" models are viewed as more desirable than later "handyman" series Stanley planes geared towards the homeowner. New blades from Hock, Lee Valley, et al are nice, but not necessary if the original blade hasn't been ground down to a stub and isn't pitted. There's always a progression -- and hand tool woodworking is no different. The rabbit hole goes as deep as you're willing to venture -- as is always the case with a new hobby.

Good luck!

Thanks. That exactly the kind information I was looking for.
 

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A video you may want to seek out is Coarse,Medium and Fine By Chris Schwarz. It does a pretty good job of explaining the uses,sizes,steps involved in using handplanes. Which plane to use for which task. Handplaning can be Zen-like or frustrating, sharpening can be a chore or a happy experience. The "down the rabbit hole" is a very good description. Many methods/theories on how and what to get,all have their pluses and minuses.
 
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Got my new to me, old hand plane. And I couldn't be happier with it with. Oddly enough my book also came today. So I'll be happy as a lark tuning my plane and reading all about it.
 

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I am also looking for a hand plane are these old Stanley's better than old Japanese? I was under the impression that Japanese planes had better cutting edges.???

Neither the old Stanley or the old Japanese plane irons will be as high quality as a new Hock or Lie-Nielsen replacement. I would choose a plane based on the style of woodworking you enjoy rather than the metallurgy. Traditional Japanese woodworking tends toward softwoods and the woodworker sits at a low bench and pulls the plane through the workpiece. It works fine, but it’s different, and for most it would be a trip down a rabbit hole.
 

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I was under the impression that Japanese planes had better cutting edges.???

Better than a cheap, mass-produced, pitted and abused
Stanley from 80+ years ago? Maybe. But higher-quality
Western planes are also available. Once you sharpen a
decent blade and tune the plane, it's just personal
preference to pull or push.

There's a lot of Western Japanophiles on the interweb
making Eastern tools seem glamorous and exotic. In the
end, you do quality work with knowledge, skill, and good
tools.

So use what you like. I like to stand at a European-style
bench and push a metal-body Western-style plane. Other
folks enjoy pulling a wooden plane down a beam. I think
Japanese chisels are gorgeous, crazy expensive, and a bit
too high on the Rockwell hardness scale to endure long
while working North American domestics like hard maple,
cherry, and walnut. On the other hand, I adore Japanese
saws and agree 100% that the pull-saw is faster and more
efficient. I just wish they weren't such a huge pain to
sharpen.
 

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Having just started down the handtool woodworking path, I bought a restored, ready to use Stanley No. 4 (and about 7 others :)
 
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