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I had a guy selling a 1960 Gibson Les Paul. I bought it off ebay and hopped on a plane a flew to Reno Nevada to pay for it and pick it up.Turns out it was a reissue. At 35K I wasn't taking a risk.
"This was my dads guitar who died in 1975 and this was his main guitar, sorry for the poor photos from my cellphone"

It had also been artificially aged. I hate scammers. I wanted to beat my plane fare out of this scumbag.
 
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How do you cancel bids though, when someone snipes your item and pays you before you even know they bid? Which with ebay is very often the way it happens. You're kind of stuck with whoever buys your stuff IMO.
 

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********!!!!! they don;t protect the seller. I sold a vintage guitar to some douchebag and he didn;t like that paticular sound ( I only warranty for stucutual defects and mistakes in my listings) he filed a complaint with ebay and PayPal (AKA ebay) so they ruked in his favor (thats fine just make sure my vintage gibson shows back up in the same condition) As soon as I signed for the package they issued him the refund. He had put some POS Harmony guitar in a newer case and kept my guitar. I'm screwed so I just told ebay and PayPal goodbye. I've been a member for over 10 years, have 100% seller feedback (Thats tough selling Muscle cars, Hot rods and vintage guitars) I had a feedback of 832 and he had a feedback of 4. I'm going to make a trip to Florida to recover my guitar. Can't disclose the detail but ebay and Paypal can kiss my big fat *** goodbye


No ******** I sold a snappy socket set here and when the buyer received it the contents were torn out and missing, I refunded his money and I called paypal and they refunded 60% of what I paid, which was more than I had in the sockets. So where the don't give you full 100% I think they did a super job protecting me the seller. And this was over GJ not eBay. So no ******** mr. ***** cat
 

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I would like to learn more about this experience you had. Maybe there is something here that will help me to deal with any future problem I may have?

I don't fully understand part of your wording here, where you said, "...they refunded 60% of what I paid, which was more than I had in the sockets." I'm not sure I follow that completely. Do you mean that you refunded the buyer's full purchase price, and PayPal refunded you 60% of that amount?

If so, did they give you a reason why they covered that amount? Was it like "shipping insurance" or something?

I'm not being a wise guy. I've not heard of this before, and I want to learn, in case it might help me with some future problem.

But even if so, that doesn't help when a buyer receives an item and claims it was not what they wanted, and just lie to PayPal. Right?

So,
No ******** I sold a snappy socket set here and when the buyer received it the contents were torn out and missing, I refunded his money and I called paypal and they refunded 60% of what I paid, which was more than I had in the sockets. So where the don't give you full 100% I think they did a super job protecting me the seller. And this was over GJ not eBay. So no ******** mr. ***** cat
 

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Attach your Paypal account to a credit card. Much easier to dispute a charge with your credit card company than with Paypal. BTDT.
 

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I would like to learn more about this experience you had. Maybe there is something here that will help me to deal with any future problem I may have?

I don't fully understand part of your wording here, where you said, "...they refunded 60% of what I paid, which was more than I had in the sockets." I'm not sure I follow that completely. Do you mean that you refunded the buyer's full purchase price, and PayPal refunded you 60% of that amount?

If so, did they give you a reason why they covered that amount? Was it like "shipping insurance" or something?

I'm not being a wise guy. I've not heard of this before, and I want to learn, in case it might help me with some future problem.

But even if so, that doesn't help when a buyer receives an item and claims it was not what they wanted, and just lie to PayPal. Right?

So,

Sorry for the confusion.
Lets say for arguments sake the socket set was sold for $100 (easy number I dont remember exact #) so buyer x sent me $100 via paypal NOT GIFTED and I sent the package to him via USPS flat rate, he did not ask for insurance so therefore I did not include. This was one of my first sales here, I have since learned to always ask for insurance, and have the buyer pay. If they dont want insurance, I tell them I will package to the best of my abilities and after I drop off at P.O. I am not liable for anything. The package got to the buyer in a torn condition with the contents missing. The buyer asked for money back, naive me obliged and refunded his $100, I called paypal and explained the situation to the customer service rep and he said since I was shipping from and to a confirmed address that I was eligible for seller protection (or some form of that) and he could give me 60% of what I had refunded which in this case was $60. So long story short I ended up with $60 and I guess I was out $40 but it was a lesson learned and I had a care free call to paypal's customer service, the whole transaction took less than 10 minutes, from call to refunded money. I hope that fully answers your question.
 
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what does it matter if the person is new to the site?
How about integrity? honesty? doing what you say?
Honestly, I know I am not the only honest person on the planet.
The item in question is supposed to be shipped this coming saturday, a week after I paid but, we will see?
new members are not thieves or dirt bags, just new to the site,
 

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With this many ebay problems you wold think we would learn to stay off of it, but it is an addiction as well as this site. Hi my name is shaun and I cant stay off of these sites.

I have only had one problem with ebay and that was with a bad buyer who had 5 outstanding claims against paypal for purcahses, but paypal sided with them and gave them their money back. I had delivery conf but no insurance b/c they didnt pay for it. they have since been kicked off ebay with my money in hand and the clothes they bought from my wife.
 

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With this many ebay problems you wold think we would learn to stay off of it, but it is an addiction as well as this site. Hi my name is shaun and I cant stay off of these sites.

Hi my name is Scott and I cant stay off of these sites.

The guy I bought a stant pressure tester "in good working order" from refunded my money right away and told me to just keep the tester instead of paying to return it. Turns out there are some good sellers on ebay. I still don't understand how someone can say the tool works good if they never test it or don't even know what it does. That part bothers me because they are just telling a lie to get more sales.
 

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Johnny, sometimes I've waited 2-3 weeks for tools to arrive from GJers. One time a package seemed a bit slow so I emailed the guy, he checked around, and my package had accidentally not been mailed. So the guy puts in some extra tools for free and ships it all next day FedEx.

I recollect one time I sold to a guy here, and accidentally didn't get the package in the mail for 4 days. Go to the garage and it's sitting there on the bench. D'oh! So I emailed him and apologized and sent that day.

But the chances of actually getting shafted here on GJ, from established members, are pretty slim, in my experience.
 

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Johnny, sometimes I've waited 2-3 weeks for tools to arrive from GJers. One time a package seemed a bit slow so I emailed the guy, he checked around, and my package had accidentally not been mailed. So the guy puts in some extra tools for free and ships it all next day FedEx.

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actually I heard it was second day air :spit:

My theory is we all make mistakes its how you handle the mistake is what matters
 

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[ That is why a buyer can leave any kind of feedback for sellers, but sellers can only leave positive feedback for buyers (I always chuckle to myself when a buyer brags that they have 100% positive feedback...So what?? It's the only kind sellers can give them!) :lol:


I believe that you can't leave a negative feedback for seven days, they evidently want to give time to resolve issues before neg feedback is posted
 

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actually I heard it was second day air

That's right, it was second day air. With some Plomb toolage thrown in for free. I remember thinking it was some pretty fancy shipping and I'd need to buy more from the guy to help him make up for what he'd lost in the shipping!! :beer:

If you happen to know who the guy is, tell him I really like those "early square handled" Snap-on items, that look sort of like black SK drivers, before they went with the swoopy bulgy version that Williams now sells.
 
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I have sold a few ebay items. Only one that gave me grief was an older computer motherboard I listed with non working sound.
The board was sold to some woman in Ontario, so she had to pay some special custom charges with the US post office. My first inkling of a problem was when she would not agree to UPS shipping at half the cost compared to USPS. (she was paying for shipping too, and UPS has a better package damage warranty.) USPS package damage claims might as well forget trying to get any reimbursement from them.
Anyway he gets the board and 2 months later I get hit with a paypal inquest.
Apparently he sent the damaged board to Gigabyte since they have a lifetime warranty. They refused to replace the board claiming the shipper broke it, and the board had a prior warranty rejection for shipping damage. (never buy Gigabyte again). So he disputes the transaction claiming the board was sold knowingly damaged and had already been rejected by gigabyte and he wants his money back. I say OK, send me the board. He keeps sending threatening sounding emails, BUT unless he send the board back to me with PROOF of delivery, Paypal wont refund him his money and I certainly wont. Its like I think maybe he wants the board and his money back. Anyhow he never sent it to me, Paypal ruled in my favor. I was leery before of selling international and in future sales will sell only to USA recipients.

In the end he left me neutral feedback.
What I think happened was board was visibly damaged in shipping or Gigabyte damaged it and claimed the shipper damaged it. And I think it was bought by some woman and given to some PC builder type man. the buyer was not the same person as the person who was complaining about the board.
Who knows what the history of an item is and it is always buyer beware on a manufacturers warranty.

In the end, he refused to ship it back to me likely cause it would cost another $60 and that was that. I refused to give in on the issue.
 

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Attach your Paypal account to a credit card. Much easier to dispute a charge with your credit card company than with Paypal. BTDT.

agree 100% all preypal cares about is getting their cut if the seller has no funds in their paypal account you get zip. pay with a CC and dispute it and you will most likely get your cash back.
 

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The board was sold to some woman in Ontario, so she had to pay some special custom charges with the US post office. My first inkling of a problem was when she would not agree to UPS shipping at half the cost compared to USPS. (she was paying for shipping too, and UPS has a better package damage warranty.) USPS package damage claims might as well forget trying to get any reimbursement from them.
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The reason no one wants to use UPS for importing goods into Canada is that they charge $25 brokerage fee + $5 for collecting that fee + 13% (in Ont.)tax on those fees. So a $25 item will cost around $60. USPS on the other hand charges $5 + taxes and lets a lot of items go without any fee.
 

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nothing but good transactions here. but on the hamb i paid for a pair of tires the guy never sent. a year later another guy is selling a pair of 8.20 -15 firestones, i pm,d him and told him how i,d already paid for one set. turns out these were my tires. he sent em to me free then made the lowlife repay him
 

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anyone notice that the ebay/paypal fees are now up to about 12 percent of the total.
they are making some money.
I prefer to sell face to face ( craigslist mostly ) no fees. Just a lot of spam
 

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A little late to the party; but I've always had great experiences buying AND selling on this site. Stuff arrives promptly or at least gets a cursory PM saying; "hey sorry been busy with life so the stuffs a little delayed", etc. Most people are laid back and aren't professionals just waiting on the tool to finish a job (neither am I), etc.

I will say having sold quite a bit on Ebay in the past 10 years that lately its gone downhill. I all but stopped selling on ebay until about 12 months ago. I had such decent luck horse trading here and other forums vs. messing with ebay. In the past 12 months I've had more items sell and never get paid for than ever. People will bid the **** out of your item and then disappear... a few days later you file a complaint and low and behold their account has been deleted or they aren't a registered user anymore. I can't peg it. I dunno if its just people who have nothing better to do with their lives or people hoping to raise the value of their own items or what. Makes no sense to me. Wastes my time, etc. Yeah Ebay credits me back and I get to relist for free... but with the ebb and flow of auctions sometimes you end up taking it in the shorts the second time around. Just one of those hazards of doing business anymore I suppose.
 

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anyone notice that the ebay/paypal fees are now up to about 12 percent of the total.
they are making some money.
I prefer to sell face to face ( craigslist mostly ) no fees. Just a lot of spam

Egg-sack-lee... I have some real beef with how paypal/ebay conducts their fees and business nowadays. I don't know how people who have ebay stores can make a living anymore. Most of these people seem to be getting by on already slim margins.. and giving up 10-12% on top of that is not pretty.

That said... Ebay for many items (I used to be able to find tons of cool old automobilia, parts, etc on there) is now a barren wasteland of "buy it now" and knock off's from people in ROC, Tawain, etc trying to get their part of the new American dream.
 
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Here are the facts. I was contacted by a member who wanted to sell me something. I agreed and sent a money order the next day priority mail. it has arrived last week. this week is almost over and I have sent numerous emails to the seller about shipping. all I have heard from him is MAYBE TODAY, now saturday MAYBE??
maybe if this guy would tell me why he is not shipping it I might relax. maybe he works 6-5, post office maybe 100 miles away, dog got hit by a car,truck or car died something anything but MAYBE. maybe sounds flakey and not very reassuring. an explanation is all I would expect, not just be left in the dark to wonder if it will be shipped.
 
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Johnny, sometimes I've waited 2-3 weeks for tools to arrive from GJers. One time a package seemed a bit slow so I emailed the guy, he checked around, and my package had accidentally not been mailed. So the guy puts in some extra tools for free and ships it all next day FedEx.

I recollect one time I sold to a guy here, and accidentally didn't get the package in the mail for 4 days. Go to the garage and it's sitting there on the bench. D'oh! So I emailed him and apologized and sent that day.

But the chances of actually getting shafted here on GJ, from established members, are pretty slim, in my experience.

you emailed the buyer to tell him what is going on. I deserve the same and would do the same!!!!
 

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Here are the facts. I was contacted by a member who wanted to sell me something. I agreed and sent a money order the next day priority mail. it has arrived last week. this week is almost over and I have sent numerous emails to the seller about shipping. all I have heard from him is MAYBE TODAY, now saturday MAYBE??
maybe if this guy would tell me why he is not shipping it I might relax. maybe he works 6-5, post office maybe 100 miles away, dog got hit by a car,truck or car died something anything but MAYBE. maybe sounds flakey and not very reassuring. an explanation is all I would expect, not just be left in the dark to wonder if it will be shipped.

He says he got it Saturday.. Monday was a holiday, So its been 3 business days. I guess i dont get it... I realize it sounds better to say you sent payment last week and now we're into this week which is almost over and its yet to ship but honestly its been 3 business days. How bout you start a thread when the seller quits communicating/ignoring your Pm's, Emails etc.. I work on Call and luckily my wife does alot of shipping for me while im out of town for work, He might have a job that keeps him busy etc and Maybe just Maybe thats the best info he has for you. I still dont see anything that would warrant creating a thread and bashing a member, Whether you use is name or not. We havent even concluded the 3rd business day yet.....:headscrat
 

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According to deleated posts the seller received your money on Saturday. You start ranting on Wednesday you've been ripped off. I'm sorry I can't support your impatience. Learn to calm down and you will find life is a lot easier.

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What I sometimes find frustrating some other members might not :

I buy a tool and the owner forgot to mention that it had owners initials.
They tell me the tool is by the xyz company and it has the same american name but made in china.
oh did I forget the tool has this slight bend.

Just a few weeks ago I told the member that I would like to buy his tools,he wanted the cash asap by electronic means. You boys must keep in mind I don't work that fast,so that member got to keep his tools,funny but if he would have waited for my check to come in the mail he would have sold his tools; Not sure if he ever sold them?

Just my two cents.
 

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What I sometimes find frustrating some other members might not :

I buy a tool and the owner forgot to mention that it had owners initials.
They tell me the tool is by the xyz company and it has the same american name but made in china.
oh did I forget the tool has this slight bend.

Just a few weeks ago I told the member that I would like to buy his tools,he wanted the cash asap by electronic means. You boys must keep in mind I don't work that fast,so that member got to keep his tools,funny but if he would have waited for my check to come in the mail he would have sold his tools; Not sure if he ever sold them?

Just my two cents.

Patience is a virtue.. Anyways its cooler to get Cash in the mail with Curse letters. LOL.. Btw I hate Engravings also.. and sometimes they are damn hard to see. I can promise anyone on here though, If i dont disclose any immediate defects, engravings in my listing and it shows up with either of the 2. The cost of return shipping and any fee's will be immediately refunded, if we cant come together on a discount.
 

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My only issue is that i wish people would leave feedback on the threads once they receive an item so i can toss the receipt. Many times I'll pm the buyer to see if they received it.
Josh
 

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This definitely just seems like a premature thread. Instead of speculating about getting ripped off, it would have been more prudent merely to have some patience and then, if you really did not get your item, to talk about being "ripped off."

This just all feels unfortunate.
 

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My only issue is that i wish people would leave feedback on the threads once they receive an item so i can toss the receipt. Many times I'll pm the buyer to see if they received it.
Josh

Best way to do that is to edit a previous post in the thread...otherwise the thread keeps popping to the top with old sales that are long gone.
 

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I posted this earlier in this thread. The biggest problem I experience as a frequent buyer and seller is impatient buyers on GJ. This [individual] ranting here and his expectations of insane fast shipping like sellers here are doing this full time is pretty common. Most are not as abrasive, but I can't tell you how many times I get an email with concerned buyer if the item is not there 3 days after payment. Some of us have trouble getting to the post office before 5 and it takes a little time to find a moment to do that.
 
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back2class, I did a quick edit (in brackets) of one word in your post. I hope you understand.
 

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I'm going to toss into this mix that the trust of USPS money orders is misplaced. I'm out $200 to prove it. The scumbag ripped people off for close to $10,000 and never did any time or refunded one red cent. He got probation and a fine from the court. Big deal.
 

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The answer to the original question is no...not here...not Ebay...not Craigslist and not two other machine forums I'm on. I've been lucky I guess because I've only met great people and had good transactions. I am aware of the playing field in these transactions and when *stuff happens*...mistakes are made etc...it just doesn't bother me. I see these horror stories though and again....guess I've been lucky.
 

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The answer to the original question is no...not here...not Ebay...not Craigslist and not two other machine forums I'm on. I've been lucky I guess because I've only met great people and had good transactions. I am aware of the playing field in these transactions and when *stuff happens*...mistakes are made etc...it just doesn't bother me. I see these horror stories though and again....guess I've been lucky.

Same here.. I frequent all the hot spots and ive been nothing but pleased with all my transactions. Ive taken some chances here at GJ with brand new members and its all worked out. I chuckle a little inside when i see all the hatred towards Ebay (Less competition).
 

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On eBay as a buyer I have had people lie about condition of their item. Most of the items the seller described as mint but on receipt finding out that to them mint could mean a tool painted silver what was supposed to be chrome or a hole drilled into the chromed steel or deep scratches. These were all push drills and were annoying but I got the bits they contained and was out nothing. The one item that I lost money on was a set of new Armstrong sockets which turned out to be new and Armstrong sockets but from different time periods and styles. EBay sided with the seller. That was one of my first purchases and they used a stock photo in the ad .

After 300 sales I have had not one customer try to take advantage. I have had some non payers but have sold the item to the under bidders. After reading other experience with EBay I feel lucky. I have blocked many people from creepy emails which makes me look through their feedback left. The last one wanted me to charge him $ 4.90 priority mail if he won two Snap on Ratchets a 1/2” and 3/8” as he felt the $5.60 I was charging for the 1/2” was too much and they both should be able to go into a flat rate envelope. He had given out over ten negatives for shipping cost and had many times tried to get the shipping discounted after the purchase, but best of all. He was also a seller with the most outrages shipping cost I had seen on eBay. I got a string of pissed off emails when he found out his bid was blocked.
 

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Just a few weeks ago I told the member that I would like to buy his tools,he wanted the cash asap by electronic means. You boys must keep in mind I don't work that fast,so that member got to keep his tools,funny but if he would have waited for my check to come in the mail he would have sold his tools; Not sure if he ever sold them?

Just my two cents.

Woody73, I think this reference may have been about me and the Starrett thread guages I recently had for sale, that you had inquired about. There are a few reasons for the guidelines I try to set. While I have no intentions of upsetting you or any others here, I'd merely like the opportunity to explain.

First, I clearly stated (as in all my "for sale" threads on this forum, and in any others) that I only accept Paypal. That's primarily for the buyer's benefit, because there is a degree of protection for the buyers when properly purchased through Paypal. Me personally, I got burned several years ago paying for an item I wanted, by a money-order, and will now only pay through Paypal. It's a nice little security blanket, if you will. And I'm just not interested in taking a check. No offense, it's nothing personal. Let's be realistic... in this very informative and electronic, automated world... checks and money-orders in comparison, are VERY time-consuming, a bit archaic, and not very easily executed by someone who has a busy and demanding schedule. Trust me, I truly wish I wasn't so busy, but hey... I gotta support my tool habit, right? It's a tad ironic that we're having this discussion on a forum, on the world wide web, where we can IMMEDIATELY post messages, pictures and other bits of information, for the entire world to see, but yet some of us still have to take an ink pen out, write on a document, and physically walk to a mailbox, where another person takes that document, and sends it via many other hands, to a person hundreds (sometimes thousands) of miles away. The receiver then has to take that very document, to a teller in a bank, and exchange it for a few dollars. Seems a bit inefficient, doesn't it?

Second, others had expressed interest in purchasing, and were prepared to pay immediately. I hope that's simply understood.

Third, I've stated in several posts, that the whole objective for selling off my personal tools here, is to fund another, larger, desired item... a new motorcycle table-lift. Real simple objective... the faster I sell my items, the faster I am able to purchase my "holy grail". That being said, I hope it's a little easier to understand my objective and focus.

I'm an honest, hard-working, respectful, faithful, family man. I've went to work my entire adult life, and have every intention to, until hopefully sometime in my mid-60's. I'm not a dealer, a retailer, or a wholesaler.

I, like many of you, am proud of my garage, my tools and my skills. I enjoy collecting and using my tools for my personal and home projects. I'm fortunate enough to have advanced myself in the last four years, to a good, office management position. But I'm proud of my abilities and the past 20+ years that I worked on, and built machinery. In construcion, the shipyard, in car dealerships, in specialty shops, and machine shops. I've been fortunate enough to have acquired a diverse skill set, and still enjoy applying those skills on my own time.

I was properly raised by my parents and absolutely mean no disrespect to you, sir. Or, to anyone else on here. And I'd like to add, that it's obvious that you too were properly raised. I could tell by your politeness and respect in your pm and inquiry.

And I sincerely apologize if you were slighted or offended by my refusal of your offer. It's my perception that, according to your above post, that it sounds as if you may have experienced "sour grapes". But please understand, I'm entitled to my policy, just as you are to yours. Doesn't necessarily make either of us wrong. However, I did strike a deal with another gentleman on the thread guage set, and some other items. Of which, he made a speedy, online Paypal payment. I'm fairly confident he will be satisfied with his newest acquisition, and I hope he gets to put it all to good use.:thumbup:

I genuinely hope there are no hard feelings.:beer:
 
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Just for the record of anyone reading this: if woody73 says he is going to buy something, that's it, it's as good as paid for. He's an honorable gentleman from the old school. Those ol' boys just don't always want to enter the plastic/electronic payment world.

I'm not suggesting anyone said differently, I'm just vouching for the gentleman.
 

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Just for the record of anyone reading this: if woody73 says he is going to buy something, that's it, it's as good as paid for. He's an honorable gentleman from the old school. Those ol' boys just don't always want to enter the plastic/electronic payment world.

I'm not suggesting anyone said differently, I'm just vouching for the gentleman.

Clearly understood, and I never doubted him. I can tell from the way he wrote his pm and inquiry, that he's a standup guy. I just don't sell outside of Paypal. It costs a premium, but it's secure.
 
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