Hi! here are some additional pictures. I can't tell if they are the original parts from the box. I hope it helps you identify. Thank you in advance.nice find of the 1930s
but the ratchet of your 240a set is from another German brand: Gedore.
(Gebrüder Dowidat Remscheid = brothers "Dowidat" from city Remscheid)
Not sure if the sockets are original Hazet? - some of these looks different to mine...
my incomplete restored set with Hazet ratchet:
regards,
Hazet tool thread
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Orangina
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Hello,
your photos are not of good quality to see details -
the smaller socket sizes should also look somewhat similar with imprints and knurling and in same height.
I think a lot of them did not fit, but you could identify these yourself.
I marked the parts that fit in green and the ones that didn't fit in red
catalog picture/drawing of 1930:
catalog picture/photo retouched of successor 1933 with different ratchet type but also hex drive
(somehow similar to US Blackhawk 49977):
catalog picture/photo retouched 1938 now with yellow/blue stickers:
this later hex drive ratchet type is similar to the today common 1/2" square drive Hazet 916 versions - also available since 1933:
after WWII e.g. in catalog 1949 the hex drive and the 240a set disappears...
the successor are the 9xx sets and its 916 ratchets.
regards,
your photos are not of good quality to see details -
the smaller socket sizes should also look somewhat similar with imprints and knurling and in same height.
I think a lot of them did not fit, but you could identify these yourself.
I marked the parts that fit in green and the ones that didn't fit in red
catalog picture/drawing of 1930:
catalog picture/photo retouched of successor 1933 with different ratchet type but also hex drive
(somehow similar to US Blackhawk 49977):
catalog picture/photo retouched 1938 now with yellow/blue stickers:
this later hex drive ratchet type is similar to the today common 1/2" square drive Hazet 916 versions - also available since 1933:
after WWII e.g. in catalog 1949 the hex drive and the 240a set disappears...
the successor are the 9xx sets and its 916 ratchets.
regards,
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Orangina
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Hello everybody,
yesterday at a car meeting for classic air cooled VW ("Mai Käfer Treffen" = Maybug meeting) in Hannover/Germany with thousands of old cars:
the Swedish T1 that is now owned by one of HAZET's partners
(took the photo early in the morning before the stand was set up)
Book with classic photo and model:
And a beetle beside with some Hazet decals from a private supporter.
- nice to have met you!
regards,
yesterday at a car meeting for classic air cooled VW ("Mai Käfer Treffen" = Maybug meeting) in Hannover/Germany with thousands of old cars:
the Swedish T1 that is now owned by one of HAZET's partners
(took the photo early in the morning before the stand was set up)
Book with classic photo and model:
And a beetle beside with some Hazet decals from a private supporter.
- nice to have met you!regards,
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Never noticed these had no screws or plate. Must be quite annoying to design it so it can be assembled and machined in this way. But there are no screws to get loose, and it's sleek and with a big selector lever... What more does a ratchet really need?
Orangina
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But it is still repairable by removing a spring washer.
And the HP (High Performance) version has 90 teeth (acting angle only 4°) - nice tool.
Whether it's really that durable for 400 Nm is another topic - but more than sufficient for most cases.
And the HP (High Performance) version has 90 teeth (acting angle only 4°) - nice tool.
Whether it's really that durable for 400 Nm is another topic - but more than sufficient for most cases.
Interesting, but what would be the fail point?
I have no idea. I don't own any Hazet ratchets myself. It's not really their strong point. Their 1/4 ratchet has been tested against a made in Taiwan ratchet. Was totally obliterated at ~85 Nn whereas no damage on the Taiwanese ratchet (Bauforum24 on YT if you are interested).
85 N-m (~ 62.5 ft-lbs) is a very unrealistic expectation for a 4” long 1/4” drive ratchet. If that is the failure point, I will take my chances with it.
Dave455
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I have quite a few of the older design ratchet’s, and I really like them. “On paper” there’s nothing novel about the designs, but they’re very smooth for the tooth count, very durable, and just practical to use.
They are probably my favourite ratchet’s in 1/4” drive, where Hazet offer a huge variety.
Much like dukefx, I hear very mixed things about the newer ”HP” ratchets. Some folks seem to love them, some have experienced failures.
Personally, I’m happy with the traditional pattern. If I get any more it will be the same pattern, not the “HP”. Thankfully, Hazet still seem to be offering both.
I have a couple of friends who are big into VW’s, and thus big into Hazet, and even they’re not going for the new ones. These guys are the core customer base for Hazet, so if there is a problem, they need to get it sorted out!
I doubt it is so. Sure there's loads of VW enthusiasts, but Hazet is pretty big in Germany in professional fields like for mechanics and industrial work. Unlike the US (not sure about UK), in central Europe it's usually the company that supplies the tools. I'm certain the vast majority of Hazet sales goes towards companies (like car service shops) and true private buyers are a very niche field.
I think that's different for e.g. Wera which does cater a lot more towards private owners and also has pretty intensive ad campaigns.
I agree that a 1/4" drive being obliterated cause it failed at 85Nm is not really bad. If we're talking standard 8.8 grade screws, using the standard safety factors, an M10 is never tightened to above 60Nm (high tension 10.9 grade at around 80Nm). For that you need a 17mm socket (by the German DIN standards), but on Hazets site I only saw 1/4" drive go up to 14mm sockets. So if you go by that, an M8 screw uses a 13mm socket and has the max tightening torque of 30-45Nm (depending on steel grade).
So in general 85Nm seems a safe failure torque for a ratchet. Just from that number, applying a decent 15% safety factor, that means the ratchet will never fail when used to up to 70Nm, still way more than what an M8 fastener can handle.
Even then I don't think I'd ever use a 1/4" drive to tension an M8 screw.
Does failure torque indicate long term reliability and wear? Who knows, but I don't think it can be a direct correlation. Depends on what fails. If it's some kind of brittle failure of the teeth, then it wouldn't directly represent problems with long term use...
I never said 85 Nm was bad. I'm pretty sure I couldn't even do 50+ Nm without an extension. The point was that a company that "does 100 more drops" after forging is pretty much done just to be sure is quite easily outperformed by competitors that offer their stuff for a fraction of the price. Btw. the square bit they supply in that kit breaks a hell of a lot sooner. They could only reach 85 Nm by replacing the square bit with a non-Hazet one which tells us quite a bit (pun intended). When it comes to ratchets there are much better and cheaper alternatives. Quality varies from tool category to tool category. Their sockets and wrenches are top notch, their pneumatic stuff (even the stuff they manufacture themselves like the fittings) are on the low end. Blind brand loyalty is something I'm not a fan of.
Dave455
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I must admit I was thinking more of the U.K.
The biggest collections of Hazet here seem to be in the hands of enthusiasts. Pre internet days, the only place I could buy it was the local VW specialist!
Here, whether tools are provided by a company depends on the trade. Automotive mechanics and aircraft engineers are generally expected to provide their own hand tools, but nothing too exotic. Anything specific to a particular manufacturer or model of vehicle, will be provided by the employer. In factories, everything is provided.
Historically, most of the provided tools were of good quality but of domestic manufacture. Now, anything goes, but I don’t see a lot of Hazet. More Stahlwille, Facom and of course lots of Snap On.
The last few years I’ve just started to see that changing, and I’m starting to see Hazet in engineering shops, if not industrial settings. I think the reason for this is that the German tools are such good value here. While it’s more expensive than the top end Taiwan tools, it isn’t appreciably more!
CHI_Tool&Die
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Most of the tools in my box at work are from German manufacturers. Not everything is necessarily made in Germany but they all come from the German-based companies. I find the German tools to offer better ergonomics and they seem to have had much more thought put into the overall design and packaging of the tools. I’ve saved a ton of drawer space with Wera’s textile pouches and Hazet’s Smartcases. I’ll keep adding German kit for that reason. A lot of the guys at work, once exposed to these same tools, offer similar sentiments. But I’m a machinist and not a mechanic so I’m never taking tools to their limits or the like.
Yes UK seems to also have lots of Snap On. But on continental Europe you really won't see their stuff at all. It's extremely rare. Besides the language barrier and strong "domestic" industrial history in continental Europe, I am sure a huge factor for this is also the metric system, while the UK remained a lot more mixed and for that market it was easier to import stuff from the US.
RTM
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Here is my introduction to the world of Hazet, a 329-m crows foot type wrench, 17mm, supposedly for valve adjustment on MB trucks, including the MOG. Interesting that there is an undercut jaw, and non undercut of this tool.
Now I gotta get a MOG.
Hello Everyone, I'm looking for a little information on a Hazet tool roll and tools that I bought at an estate sale of someone who appeared to have serviced German cars many years ago. I think that these tools are what is known as little "a" with an underline. At first, I thought that this set was from an early VW, but I haven't seen anything like it online. Additionally, all of the 450 open end wrenches are SAE sizes. They have hardly been used and still have their original Hazet decals. The tool roll also includes a center punch, pin punch and a chisel, a screwdriver, a 19mm lug nut wrench, a spark plug wrench and a pair of tire irons. The roll itself has a really neat Hazet emblem riveted to it.
Has anyone seen anything like this? Perhaps a promotional item for the US market??
The SAE sized wrenches seem really odd. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
Has anyone seen anything like this? Perhaps a promotional item for the US market??
The SAE sized wrenches seem really odd. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!Orangina
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At least from 1933 you can find extra sets for American measurements in catalogues as "900A" (instead of metric "900").
(but also before tools in inch dimensions)
Not only for the export of tools - but also for imported vehicles with us in Europe.
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rustyzman
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Picked one up at an estate sale yesterday. Hazet 772/2 lug wrench. Looked neat, so I grabbed it.
Guess these actually have some value out in the world now that I have looked it up.
Guess these actually have some value out in the world now that I have looked it up.
Orangina
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Hello,
The pin in the handle is for removing the hubcaps.
Has a value of approx. $ 150-300 (some offers up to crazy $500) in the VW classic car scene.
my collection of all 772 and 773 versions 1952-1979:
regards,
its the 2nd version from 1954 to 1965 - nice find.
The pin in the handle is for removing the hubcaps.
Has a value of approx. $ 150-300 (some offers up to crazy $500
) in the VW classic car scene.my collection of all 772 and 773 versions 1952-1979:
regards,
rustyzman
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Thank you for the info on that. It was complete chance I found it. Not at a sale that you would expect to find anything like that either. House did not even have a garage and no other indication of early VW ownership.
Your collection is fantastic! Love the Ghia
Your collection is fantastic! Love the Ghia
d42jeep
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Picked up what looks to me like a brake bleeder wrench at a recent sale.
-Don
-Don
Picked up what looks to me like a brake bleeder wrench at a recent sale.
-Don
Orangina
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Hello everyone,
some old spark plug wrenches (from left to right) of my classic collection :
it is also an iteration over time and the different air cooled engine types I (short), III Ghia (extra long), III and IV (adjustable lenght)
Hazet 501 (~ 1950-1958)
Hazet 2501 (~ 1958-1961)
HAZET 2502 (~ 1963-2000)
Hazet 2503-1 (~ 1963-1972)
Hazet 2505 (~ 1963-1970)
HAZET 2505-1 (~ 1970-1992)
HAZET 2505-1 (~ 1970-1992, different version & in-script)
HAZET 2505-2 (~ 1970-2005, ...missing in the photo, ooops - at the top flat for 3/8" drive)
HAZET 2131 (~ 1958-today, spark plug brush)
HAZET 764 (~ 1952-1979)
HAZET 761 (~ 1952-1992)
and my collection of old Volkswagen hubcap pullers
Hazet 2580 (~ 1969-1972, first version with little "a" at the handle but capital letters at the metal puller)
HAZET 2580 (~ 1969-1972, second version with capital letters at both)
HAZET 2580 (~ 1976-1979, no in-script at the black handle)
regards,
some old spark plug wrenches (from left to right) of my classic collection :
it is also an iteration over time and the different air cooled engine types I (short), III Ghia (extra long), III and IV (adjustable lenght)
Hazet 501 (~ 1950-1958)
Hazet 2501 (~ 1958-1961)
HAZET 2502 (~ 1963-2000)
Hazet 2503-1 (~ 1963-1972)
Hazet 2505 (~ 1963-1970)
HAZET 2505-1 (~ 1970-1992)
HAZET 2505-1 (~ 1970-1992, different version & in-script)
HAZET 2505-2 (~ 1970-2005, ...missing in the photo, ooops - at the top flat for 3/8" drive)
HAZET 2131 (~ 1958-today, spark plug brush)
HAZET 764 (~ 1952-1979)
HAZET 761 (~ 1952-1992)
and my collection of old Volkswagen hubcap pullers
Hazet 2580 (~ 1969-1972, first version with little "a" at the handle but capital letters at the metal puller)
HAZET 2580 (~ 1969-1972, second version with capital letters at both)
HAZET 2580 (~ 1976-1979, no in-script at the black handle)
regards,
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Probably would not fit an air cooled VW but it is for spark plugs. More discussion back on this page:
Hazet tool thread
Why not start on of those :D I know there is a thread tools from the old world, but how about just hazet :D BTW did Hazet make any toold for BMW. I know it is with the Porsche and VW brand. Who made tools for BMW? Here is mine. Hazet made a **** tone of tools for BMW. Whilst Heyco tools...
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Orangina
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Not for the simple vehicle owner to only exchange the spark plugs.
When you take an engine apart, you leave the spark plugs in to keep dirt out. The 761 is part of tool cabinets such as the HAZET 100 - and can be used with air-cooled engines if the air flow engine sheeting is off. Or is never fitted - the engines were used on land, on water and in the air - or in converted VWs for motorsport...
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The_Inspector
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Some of my 'Hazet' branded screwdrivers. What I understand being made in Czech. I am not a pro mechanic, but I do like them gripping better then my Wera. Also have some Vessel screwdrivers, they grip better but the handle on the Hazet are actually better. Also love the bit holder because it can grip both EU/US bits and Japanese bits.
They are made by Oplast in my country, Slovenia. I only found out about that here on this forum, but now I feel a bit insulted if someone messes it upSome of my 'Hazet' branded screwdrivers. What I understand being made in Czech. I am not a pro mechanic, but I do like them gripping better then my Wera. Also have some Vessel screwdrivers, they grip better but the handle on the Hazet are actually better. Also love the bit holder because it can grip both EU/US bits and Japanese bits.
Non-Europeans often confuse my country with the Czech or Slovakia, but they're far away and there's millennia of cultural and historical differences...There's an older joke of how our president and Bush get into an argument and declare war. For months Slovenia bombs the US cities with all of our 3 military planes. After half a year there was still no retaliation from the US, so our president calls Bush what's up. Surprised US president says "is anyone in Slovakia still alive? I thought we nuked the whole country".
The handle shape is patented. They are also supplying them to Gedore.
The_Inspector
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Thank you for correcting me, I have been in Slovenia and it's a beautiful country with amazing highways. Oplast makes tools for different companies I think (NSW too?)They are made by Oplast in my country, Slovenia. I only found out about that here on this forum, but now I feel a bit insulted if someone messes it up
There's an older joke of how our president and Bush get into an argument and declare war. For months Slovenia bombs the US cities with all of our 3 military planes. After half a year there was still no retaliation from the US, so our president calls Bush what's up. Surprised US president says "is anyone in Slovakia still alive? I thought we nuked the whole country".
The handle shape is patented. They are also supplying them to Gedore.
Orangina
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Hello everybody,
back in history: the 1920s
Hazet 185 adjustable wrench,
200 mm or 8" long, for wrench sizes up to 26 mm or 1", at the end a 20 mm or 3/4" hex ring spanner
(On the back is written: "Ganz Stahl geschmiedet" ~ "All steel forged").
regards,
back in history: the 1920s
Hazet 185 adjustable wrench,
200 mm or 8" long, for wrench sizes up to 26 mm or 1", at the end a 20 mm or 3/4" hex ring spanner
(On the back is written: "Ganz Stahl geschmiedet" ~ "All steel forged").
regards,
3baygarage
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Very nice. Never seen one before.
Orangina
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Hello everybody,
my next and probably last big old project on the subject:
HAZET 100 - large tool cabinet from around 1970-1976
again a few months of nice work during the restoration...
regards,
my next and probably last big old project on the subject:
HAZET 100 - large tool cabinet from around 1970-1976
again a few months of nice work during the restoration...
regards,
LNKMK8
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I could use some expert help to determine if these tools I picked up last month are HAZET or some other West German company. I am leaning towards HAZET given the model number structure and there were other HAZET branded tools that I got from the same estate, but can't say for certain as these are not marked with any brand.
Crowfoot Flare Torque Adapter Sockets Model 343151 - 343152 - 343153 - 343154
Crowfoot Open 27W Socket Model 32 2 100
The build and finish on all are very nice.. just what you would expect from vintage German tools.
Crowfoot Flare Torque Adapter Sockets Model 343151 - 343152 - 343153 - 343154
Crowfoot Open 27W Socket Model 32 2 100
The build and finish on all are very nice.. just what you would expect from vintage German tools.
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Orangina
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Sorry, I don't think these are HAZET tools
at this West-Germany time (at HAZET used around 1979-1990)
the number schema at HAZET is in most cases only 3 or 4 digits -
sometimes followed by a dash and more numbers for size and letter for shape/type -
and W-GERMANY is written in capital letters and without a dot after the W
and all such tools will have a HAZET logo.
at this West-Germany time (at HAZET used around 1979-1990)
the number schema at HAZET is in most cases only 3 or 4 digits -
sometimes followed by a dash and more numbers for size and letter for shape/type -
and W-GERMANY is written in capital letters and without a dot after the W
and all such tools will have a HAZET logo.
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