Hazet tool thread

[spanimal]

Why not start on of those
I know there is a thread tools from the old world, but how about just hazet
BTW did Hazet make any toold for BMW. I know it is with the Porsche and VW brand. Who made tools for BMW?

Here is mine.

Hazet made a **** tone of tools for BMW.

Whilst Heyco tools were found in the tiny tool kits in the cars, Hazet was and probably still is the biggest supplier to BMW specialised tools in an industrial level.

 

[Orangina]

Hello everyone,

my current collection of HAZET wheel nut wrenches for old air-cooled VWs:

Hazet 772/2 (1952-1954) wheel nut wrench with single wheel cap claw in metal handle (patent pending),
Hazet 772/2 (1954-1965) wheel nut wrench with single wheel cap claw in metal handle,
Hazet 772 (1965-1972) wheel nut wrench with single wheel cap claw in grey plastic handle,
HAZET 772 (1972-1979) wheel nut wrench with double wheel cap claw in grey plastic handle (with VW spare part label 111 012 265).



and in the background:

Hazet 773 (1969-1976) wheel nut wrench with double wheel cap claw in grey plastic handle,
HAZET 773 (1976 -1979) wheel nut wrench with double wheel cap claw in blue plastic handle,
HAZET 705 (1979-1990) simple four-way socket wrench "W-GERMANY".



regards,

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Hazet made a **** ton of tools for BMW.

Hazet was and probably still is the biggest supplier to BMW specialised tools in an industrial level.

I think this is my only Hazet BMW special tool. A slimmed-down T60 Torx for flywheel bolts.

 

[Orangina]

Hazet 179 10" (version 1954-1963)
before and after some work in the garage:

 

[Orangina]

HAZET 1980 adjustable metal saw (1954-1988) this version from 1965 to 1985
(was common in tool cabinets and tool boxes - hard to find today in complete good condition)





It can be assumed that the saw was only produce for HAZET and that the handle was given the appropriate HAZET inscription. There are also a similar "BELZER Handy 4506", one from VBW (Vereinigte Beckersche Werkzeugfabriken) and I have also an unnamed version with only imprint of "Made in Western Germany":



regards,

 

[Orangina]

Hello, everyone,

I assume the previously (Apr 19, 2021) with size in inches in a circle is rather GEDORE (GEbrüderDOwidatREmscheid) or then DOWIDAT after the 2nd World War, because I've seen similar ones with DOWIDAT lettering in classifieds...


But in the meantime an old original Hazet 140 (at least 1933-38) has also found its way to me
(unfortunately not yet with the original screw):





Well not the only pipe wrench of this kind in my stock:
HAZET No. 140 9" / DOWIDAT(?) 12" / Meister & Schlingensiepen, No. 155 9"
(all of them produced in the same region within 7 miles near Remscheid and Wuppertal in Germany)



collectors greetings,

 

[Orangina]

Hello everybody,

in the last month, old HAZET tool finds have been rare...
but at least some more advertising paraphernalia:



and the smallest is probably the most valuable - the old pre-1965 pin with a wrench and "Hazet" inscription.
The bottle opener is for the 100 year anniversary in 1968.



regards,

 

[silkman]

How much would you pay for this (not small a) ? Local to me at FB marketplace

Looks well used but complete

 

[Dave455]

How much would you pay for this (not small a) ? Local to me at FB marketplace

Looks well used but complete

When valuing tools, the first thing to consider is whether there is any collectors value. In this case, I would say “not really”, so we’re just looking at used tools.

A good place to start is taking roughly half the new price. With a bit of hunting around, I can get a new set comparable to that for the equivalent of about €380, so that gives you a used value of about €190.

But… that set isn’t complete. It seems to be missing a speed brace (new set includes a swivel handle) so you need to revise the price down. The sockets are also bi-hex (12 point) which are a frac less usable than hex (6 point) in the modern world. Revise down again. I also have some questions about how complete / original the sockets are (there are two that don’t fit the box). And the ratchet is missing a screw.

So, if you inspected the set in person, and there was a COMPLETE set of sockets there (in good shape) I’d probably be looking at something like €120 / €130. Maybe €150 Max, if I really wanted it. Assuming the sockets are metric.

If the sockets are Imperial sizes, then less again.

If anybody else thought it was worth more, and was willing to pay it, then they’ve won it. As my Dad used to say, an item is worth whatever someone is prepared to pay for it!

Some of the European based guys might have a better idea of Euro prices / values than me.

 

[Orangina]

Hello silkman,

(while dave455 has send his message I'm writing mine - somehow same results - only that I prefer double-hex sockets )

the ratchet HAZET 916 SP is from 1976-84 - looks like already repaired but missing a screw and need a repair set ($40).

The sockets looks nearly complete, but the two small hex did not fit to it with double-hex.
Are the sockets metric or imperial units? Some need to be cleaned, some look nice.

The plastic insert looks somehow ok, but might be discolored by UV light at the top from blue to green.

The white foam did not fit (the original will be somehow blue/green with HAZET imprint) -
and we can not see if the sticker about the set including the set number?
And how about the condition of the box outside? I see rust at some edges.

Without the swing grip 911 and without the screwdriver bit 980 it might be a 906-1Z or 907Z set... or 907AZ if imperial.
But then joint 920 and more than 13 sockets tells another story, that these swing grip and screwdriver bit are missing.
So an incomplete set - need to be completed, repaired...

I would not buy it. If I need to, than max $100, better $60 sorry...

I have this ratchet, but not a complete set of this time -
only the predecessor set 904 Z from 1969 - and the successor 904ZN from 1985
(both of them less than $200 before some cleaning)


good luck and regards,

 

[Dave455]

Hello silkman,

(while dave455 has send his message I'm writing mine - somehow same results - only that I prefer double-hex sockets )

the ratchet HAZET 916 SP is from 1976-84 - looks like already repaired but missing a screw and need a repair set ($40).

The sockets looks nearly complete, but the two small hex did not fit to it with double-hex.
Are the sockets metric or imperial units? Some need to be cleaned, some look nice.

The plastic insert looks somehow ok, but might be discolored by UV light at the top from blue to green.

The white foam did not fit (the original will be somehow blue/green with HAZET imprint) -
and we can not see if the sticker about the set including the set number?
And how about the condition of the box outside? I see rust at some edges.

Without the swing grip 911 and without the screwdriver bit 980 it might be a 906-1Z or 907Z set... or 907AZ if imperial.
But then joint 920 and more than 13 sockets tells another story, that these swing grip and screwdriver bit are missing.
So an incomplete set - need to be completed, repaired...

I would not buy it. If I need to, than max $100, better $60 sorry...

I have this ratchet, but not a complete set of this time -
only the predecessor set 904 Z from 1969 - and the successor 904ZN from 1985
(both of them less than $200 before some cleaning)


good luck and regards,

While I reckon I’ve got good “all round” knowledge of tools, some of the specialists on this forum are waaaay ahead of me in respect of particular makers. With regard to Hazet, Orangina is definitely in that catagory!

It would seem that my suspicions regarding completeness / originality are correct. To quote Robert de Niro in the film Ronin - “When there is doubt, there is no doubt”. Admittedly, he was talking about dealing with Russian spies, not buying socket sets, but the same precautions apply…!

I should also point out that I’m in the U.K. where the engineering world is going crazy, prices of classic cars likewise, there’s a vibrant VW (for VW read Hazet) scene, and the ”man cave” dwellers are just getting going. All these things mean prices here are more than they might be elsewhere.

On the other hand, I can only think of four manufacturers (that I see regularly) whose older tools are as good as (or better than) their later ones. Namely - Blackhawk, Britool, Snap On, and Hazet. Of these, only Hazet produced predominantly Metric tools, so that is worth considering!

 

[silkman]

Some great answers, guys. Many thanks for taking the time

The socket set is for sale for 120eur which I will probably be able to get down to 100, maybe even less, so on par with what was said above.

I regret missing out on a 166N that was local to me, great condition and was listed at 200eur, probably sold for a bit less. Asked my Hazet dealer and a new 166N is 720eur ++

Since we are on topic, a few days ago I got this adapter set:



Thoughts about it: Its useful but only worth it if you already have the ratcheting wrenches (sizes 10,13,19). You need the wrenches with the direction switch, not the swivel head ones. Now you have some very slim head ratchets. If you put the adapter on the bottom of the ratchet you may be able to reach a very difficult spot, as shown below


Also, this little set is great for an OTR or emergency kit. With the 3/8 adapter only and 13mm ratcheting wrench, a few wrenches and 3/8 sockets you have a great set taking very little space (eg under a bike seat).

In my case, I had to buy the ratcheting wrenches (got some Facom ones) and for the total price you can get a ratcheting wrenches set which includes these adapters

The Facom wrenches I got


A very well priced kit that includes these adapters

 

[ArmyVW_GuyInTX]

Thanks Monte.

And a couple more honorable mentions while not Hazet you guys would appreciate these.



And some Kukko


A few Hazet I missed earlier

Kukko - the best bearing pullers !

 

[Jeff]

 

[Orangina]

Hello everyone,

new since autumn 2022 - a nice to have , but not really the best of its class:

HAZET 2154-200 - metric folding rule

Simple 2000 mm long folding rule made of black lacquered beech wood, continuous marking edge and with simple EG accuracy class III (at 2 m up to 1.4 mm deviation - higher accuracy class II or I are only achievable with fiberglass or metal - but some of my old ones didn't even have class III and therefore not even approved as a measuring tool!!!). There are no extra options as at other folding rules - so no 90° snap or angle indicators. You can often still see light-colored wood on the hinges inside.

Inscriptions are next to the cm lengths, the "2m" length, the "CE" mark, model year 2022 "M22", number of the notified conformity "0402" (RISE Research Institutes of Sweden AB), accuracy class "III", manufacturer's logo of the Swedish company Hultafors a triangle with KHJK after the founder Karl Hilmer Johansson Kollén and the "HAZET" logo in large on the sides.




and again back in time to the rare finds:

HAZET 919 - T-handle, sliding (1951-1979)

This T-handle served as a 270 mm long operating tool for 1/2" drives.
Inscriptions are "CHROM Hazet 919 VANADIUM" and small "GERMANY".

It is also available in HAZET catalogs from 1933, but the T-handle cannot be moved, but is fixed in one piece in the form of a curved loop. Around 1949 to 1950 it was not in catalogues, only again in 1951 in a slidable form. After 1979 it disappears from the catalogues.



regards,

 

[tamaraw]

Found a 761 spark plug wrench at a tool sale this morning, just polished and cleaned it up a bit.

It's labeled "Chrom Hazet 761 Vanadium Germany" with a 21/26mm 12pt drive and a worn yellow/blue label on the opposite side.

I have Honda stuff myself and don't use those sizes, so I'll probably find a Volkswagen owner to give it to. Since it just says plain "Germany", I assume it has to be newer? Anyone know what model it would fit or if it came with a factory kit? Thanks

 

[Mr.zippy]

2022 Advent Calendar!

 

[vwpieces]

Found a 761 spark plug wrench at a tool sale this morning, just polished and cleaned it up a bit.

It's labeled "Chrom Hazet 761 Vanadium Germany" with a 21/26mm 12pt drive and a worn yellow/blue label on the opposite side.

I have Honda stuff myself and don't use those sizes, so I'll probably find a Volkswagen owner to give it to. Since it just says plain "Germany", I assume it has to be newer? Anyone know what model it would fit or if it came with a factory kit? Thanks

Found the 761 in a 1976 catalog. No specific make listed.

 

[Orangina]

Hello,

Found a 761 spark plug wrench .... Since it just says plain "Germany", I assume it has to be newer?

it is prior 1965 because of "Hazet" (little a) instead of later "HAZET". The 761 was available from 1952-1992.
Its more universal as also or for old motorcycles... At old aircooled Volkswagen the handle would not fit due to engine sheeting for the airflow. It was part of general HAZET tool cabinets.

W-GERMANY was only used in a time frame around 1979 - 1990 by HAZET (1949-1989 divided in US/UK/France West- and poor Russian East-Germany, 1973 court judgment that East was also allowed to use "Made in Germany" so many companies switched step by step to "W-GERMANY" to protect the quality statement until the fall of the wall and reunion).

I have a later version with "HAZET" past 1972.


For aircooled VWs there are tools like these thin and telescopic HAZET 2505-1 more useful:
(Spark plugs only need to be tightened slightly by hand max 20 Nm)


regards,

 

[tamaraw]

Found the 761 in a 1976 catalog. No specific make listed.

Thank you!

 

[vwpieces]

For aircooled VWs there are tools like these thin and telescopic HAZET 2505-1 more useful:
(Spark plugs only need to be tightened slightly by hand max 20 Nm)

Have the Hazet extendable with 3/8in square drive. It is my most used spark plug tool for air-cooled with a flex head ratchet.

 

[tamaraw]

it is prior 1965 because of "Hazet" (little a) instead of later "HAZET". The 761 was available from 1952-1992.
Its more universal as also or for old motorcycles... At old aircooled Volkswagen the handle would not fit due to engine sheeting for the airflow. It was part of general HAZET tool cabinets.

W-GERMANY was only used in a time frame around 1979 - 1990 by HAZET (1949-1989 divided in US/UK/France West- and poor Russian East-Germany, 1973 court judgment that East was also allowed to use "Made in Germany" so many companies switched step by step to "W-GERMANY" to protect the quality statement until the fall of the wall and reunion).

I have a later version with "HAZET" past 1972.


For aircooled VWs there are tools like these thin and telescopic HAZET 2505-1 more useful:
(Spark plugs only need to be tightened slightly by hand max 20 Nm)

Thank you so much!

I found it in with a pile of Walter wrenches that had VW stamps and I know Hazet's close association with VW, so I just kind of assumed that's what it was for. The long reach tool in your photo does make more sense for an opposed engine.

Also cool to learn more about the Germany/West Germany stampings, I thought that they had begun sooner after the divide.

Now I'll just have to find someone who rides old bikes

 

[shadowen]

2022 Advent Calendar!

I think that's the 2021 calendar - that's the set I got last year. Great set!

 

[Mr.zippy]

I think that's the 2021 calendar - that's the set I got last year. Great set!

Ha! They had two choices when I ordered. I liked this one best, so I went with it. It’s all good though!

 

[Orangina]

Hello everyone,

back in time before "electric" cordless drills...

HAZET 2135 hand drill (1950-1988)

my current collection of HAZET hand drills as used in the large tool cabinet "101" from 1950 to 1979.
The hand drill was available individually as "2135" from 1958 to 1988 in HAZET catalogues.
The origin of the hand drill was the Arnz FLOTT GmbH machine tools company, less than 3 km (1.8 miles) away from HAZET.
There are also other manufacturers of similar hand drills, but the details differ from those in the HAZET catalogues.
You can find FLOTT hand drills with labels from other well-known brands.
These hand drills have 2 speeds - simply swap the hand crank and fixed handle to the opposite side.
However, FLOTT is better known for its large, electric drill presses till today.


Hazet 2135 (1950-1965? or only 1958-1965)
black, approx. 420 mm (16.5") long with drill chuck, 2300 g (5 lb), fixed front handle mount isolated from the gear housing, both gear covers each with 2 hemispherical slotted screws, crank with bend and fixed with flat-head slotted screw, shoulder holder fixed with identical flat-head slotted screw on side of the rod, wooden handles glazed dark brown, knurled drill chuck.

HAZET 2135 (1969-1976)
medium grey, approx. 440 mm (17.3") long with drill chuck, 2240 g (4.9 lb), fixed front handle mount integrated in gear housing, both gear covers each with 2 rounded Phillips screws, straight crank fixed with knurled screw, shoulder holder fixed with Phillips screw on shoulder side, wooden handles glazed red, knurled drill chuck.

HAZET 2135 (1979-1988)
light green hammer finish paint, approx. 340 mm (13.3") long with drill chuck (without approx. 305 as in the catalogue), 1290 g (2.8 lb), fixed front handle mount isolated from the gear housing, both gear covers each with 2 rounded Phillips screws, straight crank fixed with nut, shoulder holder fixed, wooden handles painted opaque red and modern design, in 2 rows knurled drill chuck.


My knowledge comes only from the HAZET online catalogs and observations of classified ads.
Maybe someone knows if there was a 4th version until 1958 or if it stayed the same until 1965?
There are no classic FLOTT catalogs online to check if there are more models that may fit to HAZET catalog pictures.
Or someone has pictures of other real HAZET hand drills.








Here is my listing with extracts from the HAZET catalogues:
(orange my real measurements)



regards,

 

[m6z]

Those are pretty cool. I don't think I've ever seen a hand drill that was that complex.

 

[ricleh]

Great set of manual hand drills.

 

[Dave455]

Hello everyone,

back in time before "electric" cordless drills...

HAZET 2135 hand drill (1950-1988)

my current collection of HAZET hand drills as used in the large tool cabinet "101" from 1950 to 1979.
The hand drill was available individually as "2135" from 1958 to 1988 in HAZET catalogues.
The origin of the hand drill was the Arnz FLOTT GmbH machine tools company, less than 3 km (1.8 miles) away from HAZET.
There are also other manufacturers of similar hand drills, but the details differ from those in the HAZET catalogues.
You can find FLOTT hand drills with labels from other well-known brands.
These hand drills have 2 speeds - simply swap the hand crank and fixed handle to the opposite side.
However, FLOTT is better known for its large, electric drill presses till today.


Hazet 2135 (1950-1965? or only 1958-1965)
black, approx. 420 mm (16.5") long with drill chuck, 2300 g (5 lb), fixed front handle mount isolated from the gear housing, both gear covers each with 2 hemispherical slotted screws, crank with bend and fixed with flat-head slotted screw, shoulder holder fixed with identical flat-head slotted screw on side of the rod, wooden handles glazed dark brown, knurled drill chuck.

HAZET 2135 (1969-1976)
medium grey, approx. 440 mm (17.3") long with drill chuck, 2240 g (4.9 lb), fixed front handle mount integrated in gear housing, both gear covers each with 2 rounded Phillips screws, straight crank fixed with knurled screw, shoulder holder fixed with Phillips screw on shoulder side, wooden handles glazed red, knurled drill chuck.

HAZET 2135 (1979-1988)
light green hammer finish paint, approx. 340 mm (13.3") long with drill chuck (without approx. 305 as in the catalogue), 1290 g (2.8 lb), fixed front handle mount isolated from the gear housing, both gear covers each with 2 rounded Phillips screws, straight crank fixed with nut, shoulder holder fixed, wooden handles painted opaque red and modern design, in 2 rows knurled drill chuck.


My knowledge comes only from the HAZET online catalogs and observations of classified ads.
Maybe someone knows if there was a 4th version until 1958 or if it stayed the same until 1965?
There are no classic FLOTT catalogs online to check if there are more models that may fit to HAZET catalog pictures.
Or someone has pictures of other real HAZET hand drills.








Here is my listing with extracts from the HAZET catalogues:
(orange my real measurements)



regards,

In English we would call these “Breast Drills” as distinct from a “Hand Drill” which is held with one hand.

British (and American) breast drills date back to the 19th century, but were generally of the open design. The very best were by Millers Falls, but Stanley versions are also common. I still have a Millers Falls, in a wooden carrying box, that I sometimes take to job sites.

The pattern with the enclosed gears may have originated in Germany. The oldest I’ve seen are German and the design owes something to the German made, hand operated bench drills of the pre war era. Stanley produced an enclosed gear breast drill (nice tools) but they were always called the “Continental” pattern.

Nice examples, as ever, of these rare tools Orangina!

 

[Orangina]

and again hello everyone,

a rare (and expensive ) brochure with 12 pages from past 1969 and before 1972:

HAZET
Spezial-Werkzeuge (special tools)
insbesondere für Arbeiten an Volkswagen (especially for work on Volkswagen)
Scan at my website: www.vw-t2-bulli.de/data/books/brochures/1970-**-hazet-vw-ad.pdf


Only date inside: at page 10 and part 2153-1 "past Aug. 69".
Parts as 2562 included here that are in catalog of 1969 but not in 1972 anymore
or as 2522 included here that are in catalog of 1972, but not in 1969.
So I guess it's 1970/1971...

regards,

 

[Orangina]

Hello everyone,

a mix of some more classic rare finds of the past weeks:

HAZET 2594 (1969-72) socket wrench for 12-point socket head screws
This 150 mm long socket wrench was only used on right-hand drive VW 411 models to adjust the axial play of the steering spindle. Rare tool for rare cars that I will probably never need myself

HAZET 2507 (1950-72) mandrel for piston pin
This 200 mm long mandrel with a diameter of 13 mm was used to drive out and in the piston pins on Type 1, 2, 3, 48 and 122 engines. Early litte "a" version in very used condition.

HAZET 2165-1 (1963-present) - dust cap pry bar
This 400 mm long pry bar was used, among other things, to pull off the dust caps on the front axle. But also for loosening rusted parts, driving bearings and bearing shells in and out, installing and removing springs, bolts and gears. It belonged to the HAZET workshop equipment for air-cooled VWs. This one is an early litte "a" version in perfect condition.

HAZET 605-15 (1958-76) short wrench
temporarily belonged to the HAZET workshop equipment for air-cooled VW in the wrench sizes 13 and 15 mm until 1972. This is the 15 mm for now in used condition.

HAZET 814-0 (1958-1979) Phillips head screwdriver
small screwdriver and part of the HAZET workshop equipment for air-cooled VWs up to before 1972 - then replaced by an 835 with a yellow-transparent plastic handle. This is an early little "a" version in good condition.



regards,

 

[ricleh]

Here are some of my Hazet tools.

 

[Howe]

Sorry for bothering my fellow tools lovers here, anyone ever compare Hazet screwdriver and Vessel screwdriver?

 

[Dave455]

Sorry for bothering my fellow tools lovers here, anyone ever compare Hazet screwdriver and Vessel screwdriver?

Yes, I have some of both, but the answer depends on the age of the tool.

If you are considering the older Hazet drivers, with the blue wooden handle, they are very decent. The handles are not the most durable, but they were fine for the time. The blades are first class in every respect. I have not seen Vessel drivers from the same period, but I would suspect the Hazet to be the better tool.

If you are thinking of the later Hazet drivers with the yellow acetate handles, then I think they are the best Hazet drivers ever made, with durable handles and superb forged blades. Better than the Vessel of the period I think.

Of the current tools, the Hazet drivers are made by Oplast in Slovenia. They make different grades, at different prices. They’re not bad tools. The best grade is the “Trinamic”. I own quite a few of these, and they are decent, especially for the price.

However, while so many tool manufacturers look to reduce the range of tools they make in house, and reduce costs generally, the Japanese try to make BETTER tools. If the trend continues, they will eventually succeed.

The Vessel “Megadora” is, in my opinion, a slightly better tool than the Hazet Trinamic. I actually prefer the handle of the Trinamic for dirty conditions, but the blades of the Megadora are superior.

If you consider the best screwdriver that Vessel offer, which is the Powergrip, then there is no contest, the Vessel is superior in every respect. The blades are stronger, they are better forged, better finished, and the handles are superior. To give an example, the Trinamic appear to have a forged hex bolster, but in reality this is a separate piece. The Vessel is forged in one piece.

 

[tamaraw]

Sorry for bothering my fellow tools lovers here, anyone ever compare Hazet screwdriver and Vessel screwdriver?

If you are working with JIS crosshead fasteners, there should be no contest because the Hazet ones are designed for DIN Phillips; it's a different shape.

For other drive types, I can't say. Probably depends upon the model in question and personal preference.

 

[GerMec]

The best grade is the “Trinamic”. I own quite a few of these, and they are decent, especially for the price.

Thats actually not true. They have a line called (Hexanamic). Their handles are the best I have tried yet. But of course the tips on the Vessel are probably the best...

 

[Dave455]

Thats actually not true. They have a line called (Hexanamic). Their handles are the best I have tried yet. But of course the tips on the Vessel are probably the best...

I consider the Trinamic and Hexanamic to be of comparable quality.

The Trinamic have hard handles, the Hexanamic have soft ones. In other respects they are the same. The blades are identical, they are both made by Oplast, and they are both patterns that are unique to Hazet.

I personally find these soft handles to be awful for automotive work, which is why I referred to the Trinamic.

 

[Howe]

If you are working with JIS crosshead fasteners, there should be no contest because the Hazet ones are designed for DIN Phillips; it's a different shape.

For other drive types, I can't say. Probably depends upon the model in question and personal preference.

that means, I have to buy German brand screwdriver and compare it right away with Vessel (already have one)

 

[Orangina]

Hello everyone,

beside my old screwdrivers made of blue painted wood, yellow or red transparent plastic from my vintage HAZET collection
I like today the WERA Series 900 "Kraftform Plus" (black & yellow) since around a decade... but this is all a matter of taste.

Back to some old HAZET item:

HAZET 4507-1 (1976-2000) adjustment gauge
These gauges from 2 up to 5 mm were used to measure and set the throttle and choke gaps on carburetors.
There was a smaller one too called only "4507" from 0.2 up to 3.1 mm I'm still searching...

 

[Howe]

Yes, I have some of both, but the answer depends on the age of the tool.

If you are considering the older Hazet drivers, with the blue wooden handle, they are very decent. The handles are not the most durable, but they were fine for the time. The blades are first class in every respect. I have not seen Vessel drivers from the same period, but I would suspect the Hazet to be the better tool.

If you are thinking of the later Hazet drivers with the yellow acetate handles, then I think they are the best Hazet drivers ever made, with durable handles and superb forged blades. Better than the Vessel of the period I think.

Of the current tools, the Hazet drivers are made by Oplast in Slovenia. They make different grades, at different prices. They’re not bad tools. The best grade is the “Trinamic”. I own quite a few of these, and they are decent, especially for the price.

However, while so many tool manufacturers look to reduce the range of tools they make in house, and reduce costs generally, the Japanese try to make BETTER tools. If the trend continues, they will eventually succeed.

The Vessel “Megadora” is, in my opinion, a slightly better tool than the Hazet Trinamic. I actually prefer the handle of the Trinamic for dirty conditions, but the blades of the Megadora are superior.

If you consider the best screwdriver that Vessel offer, which is the Powergrip, then there is no contest, the Vessel is superior in every respect. The blades are stronger, they are better forged, better finished, and the handles are superior. To give an example, the Trinamic appear to have a forged hex bolster, but in reality this is a separate piece. The Vessel is forged in one piece.

what a handful information, I'm flattered, thanks a lot

 

[Dave455]

what a handful information, I'm flattered, thanks a lot

You just happened to get lucky and pick two makes of screwdrivers that I have examples of.

I only have a couple of the old yellow handle Hazet’s. Superb tools, but when they were new I don’t think they were imported into the U.K. in big numbers so I don’t see many about, and those that are for sale are costly.

The examples I have were purchased new by my Dad, I suspect in Germany. I bought the Trinamic’s for my portable box, not for any reason other than they were relatively inexpensive hard handled drivers. The price has gone up since.

I have far more drivers from makers other than Vessel, but I’ve had a set of Vessel JIS Phillips for some years, which I use exclusively on Japanese bikes and occasionally electrical goods. They’ve worn very well. The Power Grip’s are obviously superb drivers, in every respect. I‘ll probably replace my most worn torx set with these at some point.