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Eggman said:
Hey Scotty,



Can the Hellfire be tinted a bit darker than the light gray? And if so, what would one use to do it?



I'm looking at doing a garage floor about 1900 sq ft with a lighter gray interior. The floor will have to be darker.



Thanks.
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We now have the ability to supply a tint-pack to make a darker product (mix in the field).

Pic below has tint added.
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Scotty -

Looks like a great product. You say that it has good COLD WEATHER COATING but if the floor is cold it can't be etched and washed without the water freezing.
What team is ideal for curing, and how many coats do you suggest for newer concrete?
Thx!
 
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mnwebb said:
Scotty -

Looks like a great product. You say that it has good COLD WEATHER COATING but if the floor is cold it can't be etched and washed without the water freezing.
What team is ideal for curing, and how many coats do you suggest for newer concrete?
Thx!
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Great point. You could grind if it was a hot project or heat the garage above freezing temporarily for the etching.

3 coats are plenty in most cases. Customers are reporting back an average of 400sq ft per gal (over the 3 coats).

It is tested at 75 deg f. However, the product will cure reasonably down to 15 deg f. Humidity has a bigger effect on the cure than temp.
 
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Thanks Scotty, if I want a product with color choices other than grey, what do you suggest? Cold weather garage with salt...and how would that product compare?

Wilson
 
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Apples & Oranges...

Nohr-S Polyurea: thicker, more colors, more options, higher on the attractive-scale.

HellFire: thinner, one color, few options, higher chem resistance, highest heat resistance.

Both great, great products exceeding epoxy in many categories but different.
 
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Scotty,

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Got a couple of questions for Scotty. So I just build a 50x50 shop. Concrete was poured on Nov 30th. I was going to use the HD40 product until my foam insulation guy blew a hose on his lift and hosed down a huge section with hydraulic fluid and what was under the lift sat on the slab for two days before the lift could be moved and it cleaned up. So down there is a very dark spot where the hydraulic fluid is soaked in.. What prep do I need to do for this new slab and the fluid stained area to be able to use the Hellfire? I'm guessing Hellfire is the product I want since I'm trying to cover up the stain as well? Also is 300-400 ft coverage taking into account 2-3 coats or is that 300-400 per coat?
 
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Have you seen or know anyone that has used one of the microbial cleaners? ACT keeps coming up in reviews... A bunch of people swear by it. Sprinkle it on get it damp and let it "eat" the oil up.. Could take several days for it to work. The before and after pics look amazing..
 
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How frustrating that would be, I had to have a new shop built when we moved to our new place, so after getting it built I wanted to coat the floor. But in the meantime I did store a bunch of my stuff still boxed from the move inside, when I went to move the boxes out to get the floor ready for coating I found that a container of oil had leaked from one of the boxes. It had set there for over a year so it was well soaked in, I used several different degreasers and pour n restore a few different times. But then just to be on the safe side I still ended up applying the oil block primer over the area just to be safe.
 
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CJseven said:
How frustrating that would be, I had to have a new shop built when we moved to our new place, so after getting it built I wanted to coat the floor. But in the meantime I did store a bunch of my stuff still boxed from the move inside, when I went to move the boxes out to get the floor ready for coating I found that a container of oil had leaked from one of the boxes. It had set there for over a year so it was well soaked in, I used several different degreasers and pour n restore a few different times. But then just to be on the safe side I still ended up applying the oil block primer over the area just to be safe.
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So Scotty I guess that's a no, you haven't seen anyone use that product before? And what about the coverage I asked about earlier, 300-400 per coat or is that 2 to 3 coats at 300-400? And can someone tell me more about this oil blocking primer.
 
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jtad said:
So Scotty I guess that's a no, you haven't seen anyone use that product before? And what about the coverage I asked about earlier, 300-400 per coat or is that 2 to 3 coats at 300-400? And can someone tell me more about this oil blocking primer.
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My apologies, I have not seen any of these oil cleaners except Pour n Restore. I would use 400 sq ft avg. for a three coat process.

The primer is on our site, works well.
Actually gels the oil in place, keeps it from surfacing.

http://www.legacyindustrial.net/products/primer-coatings/hd820-oil-stop-primer.html


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jtad said:
Have you seen or know anyone that has used one of the microbial cleaners? ACT keeps coming up in reviews... A bunch of people swear by it. Sprinkle it on get it damp and let it "eat" the oil up.. Could take several days for it to work. The before and after pics look amazing..
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I use it at my profession shop/parking lot and home. "Bacrete". It works on oil stains, the bulk of the petroleum product needs to be removed first. I lightly dust it on, sweep it uniform with a broom and leave it. Some sort of enzyme eats the oil away and leaves it looking as close to the rest of the concrete as you could want.
 
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I am about to order the HellFire product for my new shop (completed early January). The concrete pad was polished with a power trowel so pretty glassy smooth (no sealers or anything though). Do I need to do any surface prep like acid etching or grinding or anything?
 
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I ordered 3 gallons yesterday, along with some non-skid additive. Looks like I need to order some oil blocking primer, too.

Plan to clean, acid etch, dry, then paint half of the garage and then do the other half. No big deal if it leaves a line in the middle.
 
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bullnerd said:
I thought I remember reading it doesn't need a primer?
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It doesn't. Oil blocking primer is required for concrete that is oil soaked it areas and can't come completely clean. The primer effectively adheres to those areas and prevents the oil from interfering with the adhesion of the coating.
 
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Shea said:
It doesn't. Oil blocking primer is required for concrete that is oil soaked it areas and can't come completely clean. The primer effectively adheres to those areas and prevents the oil from interfering with the adhesion of the coating.
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^^^This. I should only need to hit a few spots with the primer.
 
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Doh! My bad...it didn't compute at first what I was reading.

Thanks for the clarification.

FWIW, I bought some HF during their last sale. I'm waiting for nicer weather so its nice out when I eff it up.
 
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LegacyIndustrial said:
Great point. You could grind if it was a hot project or heat the garage above freezing temporarily for the etching.

3 coats are plenty in most cases. Customers are reporting back an average of 400sq ft per gal (over the 3 coats).

It is tested at 75 deg f. However, the product will cure reasonably down to 15 deg f. Humidity has a bigger effect on the cure than temp.
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I have 450 sq ft I want to cover how much will I need?
 
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So how much hellfire would be needed to do a 2400sqf garage with a machine trowel floor and is densifying recommended first
 
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Acid etched my floor yesterday. Still have a few spots that aren't ready for paint (oily). I can put primer on them, but what are my other options? Has anyone used BacKrete successfully to get rid of oil in concrete? Maybe wet it and scrub with Simple Green or Dawn?

Also, I know I can also grind the floor with my hand grinder, right? I have a Makita grinder. What wheel should I use on it for grinding the floor?

Thanks
 
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Has any testing been done with road salt/water sitting on the surface for weeks at a time?
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Good question. We did our UV testing outside where it was rained on for months and months. Salt water was tested too with no result. However, you will accumulate residue from the salt as the water evaporates, like it would on any coating system. Also.... if not cleaned up the salt will act like any grit, with enough force from tire traffic it will mar the surface a bit over time.

Our policy on winter garages is to keep it clean for longer life.
 
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i've read a few articles on how urethane isn't an ideal product to bond directly to concrete.

I see that hellfire is urethane based, could you give me some insight on this?
 
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Ryan:
Great point and normally I would agree with you.
However, HellFire penetrates like a primer and gets a tenacious hold to a porous surface.
Much different than "topcoat urethanes" you see on many vendor sites, including our own.
 
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