Help identify this jack

[TXNinAZ]

Need to rebuild his bottle jack that came with my Snap On H frame hydraulic press (model YA616) but can't tell who made it. Any suggestions?

 

[454ragtop]

Pretty sure that's a Hein Werner.

 

[man-a-fre]

For sure Hein Werner as said.

 

[TXNinAZ]

Thanks for the help!! Need to determine capacity- just have the zero to go by.

 

[txvwnut]

From looking at the size of it I'd say 20 ton, and what's left of the tag looks like it has a 2 on it.

 

[TXNinAZ]

From looking at the size of it I'd say 20 ton, and what's left of the tag looks like it has a 2 on it.

Looking online it looks to be either 20 or 30 tons. Don't want to order multiple rebuild kits and return the one that doesn't fit. Will keep digging for more details on identifying their jacks.

 

[TXNinAZ]

The vertical channel steel looks too skinny to be a 30 ton press. Look how close the support pin holes are to the side of the channel? I'm thinking that's a 15 ton Snap-on press that probably had a 20 ton bottle jack put in it. The whole structure of it doesn't look much different than a Harbor Freight 20 ton press.

That's the conclusion I'm coming to. It was definitely sold as a 15 ton model. I assume the original jack failed and whoever owned it at the time put this Hein-Werner in. Will call hydraulic repair shops to see what they'd charge to rebuild it for me. The press was cheap enough that I'm ok spending $100 on a rebuild, but I don't know if that's a realistic price or not.

 

[TXNinAZ]

Here's a picture of a 12 ton Hein Werner E12.9 A, just so we all can see what a more complete sticker looks like. I have also found reference to a 3 ton jack being a E3.9 A and a 5 ton bottle jack being a E5.9A so it seems like the OP's jack should be a E20.9 A or a E30.9 A but I can't seem to find much when searching for those numbers.

Thanks for posting that. I'm leaning toward 20.10a due to the base design. I found this from a 1952 catalog.



What my base looks like:

 

[bigredmf]

More important is the maximum tonnage the press frame was designed

Try to match up the frame dimensions here

http://www.hydrameconline.com/hydraulic_presses__accessories

Red


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[TXNinAZ]

Does your jack work right now? It looks like it has been taken apart once in the past, so it might already have a recent rebuild in it. The circled lines in my attached picture look like pipe wrench tooth marks. Are there marks like that on the side of the hex opposite the one shown in the picture too?

It does work, but not smoothly at all. There are a few other corners with marks so I'm sure it's been apart before. I'm also curious about the brass square plug on the top of the base- don't see any online in this design with that, so I assume it was drilled at tapped by someone in history, but not sure why.

 

[TXNinAZ]

It looks like your jack used to have a handle like the one shown in my pic, but it was cut off leaving the two nubs you have on the side of your housing.

Yeah I was curious about what those stubs were until I started looking for HW pictures. With that handle the jack would have been too big to fit between the return spring housings on the frame.

I'm feeling good about model 20.10a. It weighs 40 lbs 5 oz, is 10" tall retracted, and 16.25" tall extended. Those specs match the catalog info I found.

 

[TXNinAZ]

This is all I could find for you. Here you go, it looks like you have model 20.10AA.



Rebuild kit is $39.78 here.



http://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/hein-werner/9834



Pdf link with exploded diagram and part numbers.



http://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/heinwerner14995.pdf





Here's the Ebay link where I found the image posted below. There are 10 other nice quality images there as well if you scroll down the page.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hein-Werner-20-ton-Bottle-Jack-9572-48-/301663583043

Thanks Jeremy!! That's as good as I could have hoped for. Hopefully someone will stumble on this thread some day and will be helped by it.

 

[Hiball]

I believe that's a 20.10a versus the 20.10AA kit linked above, the two aren't interchangable if memory serves. @OP What is the Ram diameter?

 

[TXNinAZ]

i believe that's a 20.10a versus the 20.10aa kit linked above, the two aren't interchangable if memory serves. @op what is the ram diameter?

2-3/16"

 

[Hiball]

2-3/16"

Well that's the AA series, I would have wagered that was a A. I should clarify... that's a 20.10AA-1. There is a difference...

http://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/hein-werner/1184


Correct link above.

 

[TXNinAZ]

Well that's the AA series, I would have wagered that was a A. I should clarify... that's a 20.10AA-1. There is a difference...

http://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/hein-werner/1184


Correct link above.

Thanks Hiball! Your confirmation tells me I've got everything right! Any guesses on why a previous owner added that brass plug on the base?

 

[Hiball]

Thanks Hiball! Your confirmation tells me I've got everything right! Any guesses on why a previous owner added that brass plug on the base?

Just about all domestic manufacturers at one time or another produced bottle jacks with ports for a hydraulic gauges for press applications. I can't say I've ever seen one in that specific location, seems like a odd placement, but appears to be inline with the valve. It could be homebrewed..

 

[Hiball]

Just for future reference for others here, how can you tell the difference? You must have some outside reference materials you are drawing from? The 20.10A and 20.10AA show the same parts kit, but the 20.10AA-1 has a different kit. Is the 20.10AA-1 the only one with a 2-3/16" ram diameter? It's confusing because the 20.10A and 20.10AA-1 kits both have links to the same pdf file for replacement internal part numbers but the actual pdf itself references a 20.10AA hand jack at the top. It seems like maybe the site with the repair kits is misreferencing their products or something.

I can tell because Ive spent the majority of my life tearing down/repairing hydraulic jacks, albeit my memory isn't specific as it used to be, I did manage to keep good notes and knew there was a difference in the Ram sizes . The PDF files are pretty generic, I believe if you look at the model numbers both are for AA series, which is the newest style. When it comes down to having exploded view diagrams for jacks that are 60+ years old, they are few and far between. The AA-1 carries a 2 3/16" and the A carries a 1 7/8". It's always best to clarify sizes with suppliers when ordering parts for jacks where labels/badges are missing as there can be big differences between series and in HW case, changes amongst serial numbers. On a side note, some suppliers assemble universal kits to cover these changes, it makes for less returns.