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I’m in need of toolbox drawer photos with tools neatly laid out within. Figured you all would be the best source for quality examples. It would *really* help if you could throw a quarter in your drawer somewhere so I have a known object for scale.

In a nutshell, I’m working on training an AI object recognition model and need hundreds of photos of toolbox drawers with stuff laid out in a manner that I’ll be able to segment and label objects within. My efforts are in support of an automated CNC foam-cutting enterprise, if you were curious.

I’d love to see your setups, and thanks in advance for your help! Bonus thanks if your tools are obscure and you detail what you’re showing me.
 
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You will find some of what your looking for in the above thread
 

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I’m in need of toolbox drawer photos with tools neatly laid out within. Figured you all would be the best source for quality examples. It would *really* help if you could throw a quarter in your drawer somewhere so I have a known object for scale.

In a nutshell, I’m working on training an AI object recognition model and need hundreds of photos of toolbox drawers with stuff laid out in a manner that I’ll be able to segment and label objects within. My efforts are in support of an automated CNC foam-cutting enterprise, if you were curious.

I’d love to see your setups, and thanks in advance for your help! Bonus thanks if your tools are obscure and you detail what you’re showing me.
Make sure to share your findings!

I would say look at what you needed, before organizing the individual insides.

I needed a large drawer for Screwdrivers (Red top), a large drawer for wrenches (red middle), and last one for Sockets (Red bottom).
Making a custom center drawer was my only solution after searching affordable boxes.
More info here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...ing-your-own-middle-box.518197/#post-10205813
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Make sure to share your findings!

I would say look at what you needed, before organizing the individual insides.

I needed a large drawer for Screwdrivers (Red top), a large drawer for wrenches (red middle), and last one for Sockets (Red bottom).
Making a custom center drawer was my only solution after searching affordable boxes.
More info here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum...ing-your-own-middle-box.518197/#post-10205813
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I thought about making a two drawer section like that but decided I didn't have the time to do it the way I wanted. Now I have so much extra drawer space because I added another box. I guess I'll have to buy some more tools
 

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First is my work box
Cheap Amazon socket rails and a mix of snap on, tekton, icon, and pittsburgh sockets and ratchets
Second is home box
Pretty much all tekton with a few other sockets here and there with tekton/ernst organizers
 

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Definitely not 'the' cleanest, but pretty happy with it, have a few drawers I have changed the layout on and filled in the blanks with scraps, but eventually want to redo them completely.
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Definitely not 'the' cleanest, but pretty happy with it, have a few drawers I have changed the layout on and filled in the blanks with scraps, but eventually want to redo them completely.
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Just when I think I’m getting my tools organised nicely, I see photos like these and realise my tools were organised by a squirrel on meth.
 

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I do not understand foam, all pretty and organized but takes up so much space and what happens when I but a new tool as I am prone to do?

If I foamed my box the Rock and Roll truck would need to make another drop off.
 

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sure... always happy to help:

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Thank you for posting that. I hope that is really your tool drawers. I use a similar method and almost (but not quite) feel guilty that I don't have the beautiful well organized drawers that everyone posts here on GJ. My system is simple: separate metric cabinets & SAE cabinets with: This drawer has screwdrivers: phillips on left, slotted on right; this drawer has metric wrenches 13mm and smaller (with size kinda thrown in with smaller to left, bigger on right; another drawer for 14mm and larger (again smaller to left); a drawer for 1/4 & 3/8 drive sockets with them usually on organizers but not always; a drawer for 1/2 drive sockets; a drawer for all ratchets, extensions, and adapters; a drawer for hammers; a drawer for torque wrenches; a drawer I named "the drawer of measurement"; etc. and so on.... I tried years ago to make my drawers look perfect like everyone else here on GJ but my brain just can't work that way. I love your drawer pictures.
 
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I do not understand foam, all pretty and organized but takes up so much space and what happens when I but a new tool as I am prone to do?

If I foamed my box the Rock and Roll truck would need to make another drop off.

Foam is required in certain industries like aviation maintenance for tool accountability and foreign object damage prevention programs and generally awesome for making sure you didn’t leave your 10mm socket somewhere on your last job, never to be seen again.
That’s the catalyst for this project; I’m launching a business called Profoama that will take a customer-supplied photo of tools laid out in a drawer, segment & mask them, and then export it to a CNC cutting file to create custom shadow foam (top cut foam layer over contrasting color uncut base layer). The object recognition portion of the project (what these photos are for) is for more advanced features I hope to roll out once I start selling enough to pay for the developers’ time; sorting, justifying, nesting, grouping, and providing recommended layouts to optimize drawer space, etc.
If I can teach an AI model to recognize different types of drivers (nut, screw, etc) vs hammers/mallets vs sockets and ratchets, etc., it can do a better job of providing smart layout suggestions so it isn’t taking a few random sockets and using them to fill unused space in your files drawer, for example, when that space could be better utilized by a sanding block, grinding wheel or other similar-purpose implement.
Foam can always be modified by hand later if you add tools, but if you’re just starting out with a new job kit or upgrading your box, new precision-cut foam would be an awesome upgrade. Ideally old orders can be retrieved and modified if you wanted the whole drawer recut, but I haven’t gotten that far yet. Devs are just wrapping up things on the segmentation and mask coding and putting a storefront together for my beta testers to put to work. Turns out developers are EXPENSIVE, and I have a lot of awesome ideas I’ve gotta prioritize based on my life savings-turned-R&D budget until I get to a sustainment-through-sales point. (y)
 

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Foam is required in certain industries like aviation maintenance for tool accountability and foreign object damage prevention programs and generally awesome for making sure you didn’t leave your 10mm socket somewhere on your last job, never to be seen again.
That’s the catalyst for this project; I’m launching a business called Profoama that will take a customer-supplied photo of tools laid out in a drawer, segment & mask them, and then export it to a CNC cutting file to create custom shadow foam (top cut foam layer over contrasting color uncut base layer). The object recognition portion of the project (what these photos are for) is for more advanced features I hope to roll out once I start selling enough to pay for the developers’ time; sorting, justifying, nesting, grouping, and providing recommended layouts to optimize drawer space, etc.
If I can teach an AI model to recognize different types of drivers (nut, screw, etc) vs hammers/mallets vs sockets and ratchets, etc., it can do a better job of providing smart layout suggestions so it isn’t taking a few random sockets and using them to fill unused space in your files drawer, for example, when that space could be better utilized by a sanding block, grinding wheel or other similar-purpose implement.
Foam can always be modified by hand later if you add tools, but if you’re just starting out with a new job kit or upgrading your box, new precision-cut foam would https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/lets-see-your-toolbox.466/page-599 an awesome upgrade. Ideally old orders can be retrieved and modified if you wanted the whole drawer recut, but I haven’t gotten that far yet. Devs are just wrapping up things on the segmentation and mask coding and putting a storefront together for my beta testers to put to work. Turns out developers are EXPENSIVE, and I have a lot of awesome ideas I’ve gotta prioritize based on my life savings-turned-R&D budget until I get to a sustainment-through-sales point. (y)
Yes I understand that there is a reason for such, just would never work for me, there it a thread https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/lets-see-your-toolbox.466/page-599 that has a lot of drawer pics, mine is in there somewhere.
 
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I do not understand foam, all pretty and organized but takes up so much space and what happens when I but a new tool as I am prone to do?

If I foamed my box the Rock and Roll truck would need to make another drop off.
I feel exactly the same. Foam seems like it takes so much more space than any other organization method and has really limited paths to grow. I take all my foam tools right out of the foam and sell it on marketplace or ebay. A ton of my drawers are toolgrid though.
 

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I hope that is really your tool drawers.
Yes, really. I tried to take a picture of my main "go to" box, but it was horribly fuzzy so I didn't post it, but here you go:

The crazy part of this is that I have a huge Craftsman roller cabinet in the garage, and a big "Harbor Freight" roller cabinet in the living room, and several large "top chests" (one CM in the kitchen, and a CM and a Huot in the garage) and I just never seem to find time to get the stuff out of all the little boxes into the big boxes and get it somewhat organized. Go figure. :unsure:
 

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I do not understand foam, all pretty and organized but takes up so much space and what happens when I but a new tool as I am prone to do?

If I foamed my box the Rock and Roll truck would need to make another drop off.
I picked up shadowing from the airframe / powerplant industry where daily inventory is an absolute must... when I got my A&P I started shadowing and have kept with it since for organizing most of my toolboxes since.

Its nice to be able to immediately identify when something is missing, was left out at the end of the day and also nice to aid in those "oh yeah, I let ...... borrow that 3/4" socket last week..."
 

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Foam is definitely fancy, and the right way to go for some, but it wouldn't work for me as I'd need twice as many boxes- and I'm out of floor space.

My system is that if I can see enough space to fit another screwdriver, ratchet, plier, extension.....in, one is missing :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

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Foam is definitely fancy, and the right way to go for some, but it wouldn't work for me as I'd need twice as many boxes- and I'm out of floor space.

My system is that if I can see enough space to fit another screwdriver, ratchet, plier, extension.....in, one is missing :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
If my toolbox drawers get to that point I'm missing a bunch of stuff!
 

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How about one that does both?
I am thinking more along this line with these two pieces.
You just cut that foam with a razor? Or is there some special trick?
 

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I like the look of foam, and I considered using it. However, I tend to change my boxes around from time to time, so it's not practical for me.
I have found, with the right organizers, I can immediately see when something is missing.
 

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I think this is a thought provoking and interesting concept, but a bad business idea. I think the problems are:
1) you want the customer to organize and photo graph their drawer so you can make them a custom foam insert, and possibly auto sort or space optimize using AI? That sounds like a lot of work for what I imagine would be an expensive service. And its risky. The customer may not like it. You could lose a lot of engineering time tweaking things to suit them.
2) How much would it cost?
3) What exactly is the need/market?
4) End of the day, foam is restrictive. It might cost a lot and you end up with something you aren't 100% happy with. Just the foam material is expensive in my opinion. Are we talking about $100/drawer? More?

Foam is required in certain industries like aviation maintenance for tool accountability and foreign object damage prevention programs and generally awesome for making sure you didn’t leave your 10mm socket somewhere on your last job, never to be seen again.
This is my world and no such requirement exists. We went to what we call "team toolboxes" with "tool control" for 2 reasons:
1) We wanted a way to reduce FOD. There are other and better ways than foam. We now have tool control EPIQ boxes where the box senses tools are missing. We had other "mandraulic" ways before foam (tool "chits")
2) We wanted to standardize the tools used to affect specific jobs.

Before the team tool boxes, each mechanic had his own personal toolbox like an automotive shop. Joey Baggadonuts would grind a wrench for a specific job and keep that locked in his personal toolbox for job security. I'm sure this still goes on in plenty of aircraft hangers all over the world. When Joey took the family to the Jersey shore for vacation, no one could do the job he usually did because the special tool was locked in his personal box.

This sounds like Joey is kind of an ***. Viewed from the other perspective, Joey probably knows how to do that task better than anyone else. He ground his own tool for it! So maybe we are all better off just waiting for Joey to get back from vacation. Anyway, the company thought if a special wrench was required:

  • engineering should know about that and do better. (Nobody ever told us they needed a special wrench)
  • industrial engineering should design the special wrench and put it in the tool crib or in every box, & make it available to our customers.
  • Last (and I've talked about this many times here), with a team tool box, engineering knew exactly what tools were available to our production line, which allowed us to design products for specific tools (we try not to, but sometimes we do).
Sorry if that's more than you wanted to know. Let's wrap this up by saying:
  • Aircraft toolbox drawer layouts are designed very specifically/thoughtfully to address specific jobs being worked, the number of mechanics being supported by that box, the schedules outlining how long the jobs take to complete etc.
  • The mechanics never seem to like them. Tools are always in the wrong drawer for them. It's like having someone else arrange your kitchen cabinets. (or your wife's kitchen cabinets).
  • We make our own layouts because they are so specific. But you could potentially offer that service to automotive dealerships or industry. But then you shouldn't be here. My sense is, AI could not offer the end product industry would want.
That’s the catalyst for this project; I’m launching a business called Profoama that will take a customer-supplied photo of tools laid out in a drawer, segment & mask them, and then export it to a CNC cutting file to create custom shadow foam (top cut foam layer over contrasting color uncut base layer). The object recognition portion of the project (what these photos are for) is for more advanced features I hope to roll out once I start selling enough to pay for the developers’ time; sorting, justifying, nesting, grouping, and providing recommended layouts to optimize drawer space, etc.
If I can teach an AI model to recognize different types of drivers (nut, screw, etc) vs hammers/mallets vs sockets and ratchets, etc., it can do a better job of providing smart layout suggestions so it isn’t taking a few random sockets and using them to fill unused space in your files drawer, for example, when that space could be better utilized by a sanding block, grinding wheel or other similar-purpose implement.
Foam can always be modified by hand later if you add tools, but if you’re just starting out with a new job kit or upgrading your box, new precision-cut foam would be an awesome upgrade. Ideally old orders can be retrieved and modified if you wanted the whole drawer recut, but I haven’t gotten that far yet. Devs are just wrapping up things on the segmentation and mask coding and putting a storefront together for my beta testers to put to work. Turns out developers are EXPENSIVE, and I have a lot of awesome ideas I’ve gotta prioritize based on my life savings-turned-R&D budget until I get to a sustainment-through-sales point. (y)
When you look at drawer like mine for example, there are higher density organization systems out there than foam. Foam can't beat this. A lot of this is just the packaging the tools were shipped in (read: free). Tools that come in defined sets typically have storage solutions already. Sockets come in definable sets. Screwdrivers do. Wrenches do. Extensions do. And products exist for all of that.

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BUT! There's nothing on the market I could buy to organize my ratchets much better than how they are now. The problem with ratchets specifically is that no 2 of us have the same set of ratchets. So no off the shelf product will ever really suit.

Also notice- reading between the lines of the responses you've gotten, the discussion of the use of foam to organize tools is binary. It's all or nothing. What if instead of a drawer solution, you offered just custom ratchet storage? A block of foam you insert into a drawer.

So the scenario would be this: The customer types the brand and part numbers of each ratchet into a text field on a website (or selects from a drop down of tools you have data for). You get the data and have a vector plot of every major brand and model of ratchet. You run an auto nesting routine and submit a low res unusable graphic to the customer for approval. If he or she agrees, they hit the "buy it now" button.

I would also include the option of customer graphics for additional $10. Some guys might want their logo, a sports team, car brand etc. My guess is, your CNC could do it.

Hope this helps.
 

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So the scenario would be this: The customer types the brand and part numbers of each ratchet into a text field on a website (or selects from a drop down of tools you have data for). You get the data and have a vector plot of every major brand and model of ratchet. You run an auto nesting routine and submit a low res unusable graphic to the customer for approval. If he or she agrees, they hit the "buy it now" button.
There is a company here in Germany that pretty much does what you're describing. Tecsafe produces custom made foam trays for tools and those are pretty awesome!

They have an online configurator with thousands of tools already in their database. If something isn't there, just simply snap a photo an take a measurement of the longest side of the tool, so the algorithm can calculate the size of it. Everything can be added via drag and drop and moved freely on the virtual foam, lettering can be added and the software does automatically checks for errors in the layout.

Here is a picture of a foam inlay I did a few years ago for the drawer in a rolling workshop chair:
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There is a company here in Germany that pretty much does what you're describing. Tecsafe produces custom made foam trays for tools and those are pretty awesome!

They have an online configurator with thousands of tools already in their database. If something isn't there, just simply snap a photo an take a measurement of the longest side of the tool, so the algorithm can calculate the size of it. Everything can be added via drag and drop and moved freely on the virtual foam, lettering can be added and the software does automatically checks for errors in the layout.

Here is a picture of a foam inlay I did a few years ago for the drawer in a rolling workshop chair:
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Very very cool business idea. Wish I thought of it! Interesting that its all German Tools and Boxes. If only there was a Snapon/Icon version (hint hint). Cool that you get to design your own drawer layouts.

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Just love the bright colored & simplistic Euro aesthetic. I find these tools very attractive. Makes me want to put on pants with pockets on the outside and a hi viz vest and go fix something. Or maybe build some IKEA furniture. Then play legos with my kids. And drink BEER served in ridiculously oversized portions!

OP, this is the way.
 

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Interesting that its all German Tools and Boxes.
They are currently operating primarily on the German domestic market, so that makes kinda sense.

If only there was a Snapon/Icon version (hint hint).
A business like this relies on data exchange with the manufacturers and it seems like some don't like to share any information at all.
Back when I ordered my foam, I asked specifically about Snap-On and got the reply that they don't give them database access. Guess Snap-On rather sells their own solutions for $$$.

Makes me want to put on pants with pockets on the outside and a hi viz vest and go fix something.
You know that Engelbert-Strauss now has a subsidiary in the US? So you can get yourself some fancy Eurostyle workpants delivered to your doorstep. ;)
 
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