Help with Identifying - "chisel"-"Drift"??

[z1kzonly]

Hello, not to sound like a dummy, but I have had these sitting around since I was a teenager and I Lost my Dad to an Industrial accident in 1972.
I have used and enjoyed his hand tools to this very day.
My Grandfather also worked at J.H. Williams tool company in Buffalo, NY.
But these look like some sort of drift or chisel? cement drill?
There are various names.
DIAMOND, ARROW, STAR, ARROW AND KRAEUTER.
I just don't know what they are? Never seen any on ebay?
Thanks in advance.
Marty in Buffalo, NY

 

[3baygarage]

Those are called star drills. For busting up concrete by hand.

 

[3baygarage]

This is the place to come and talk tools, especially if you want to find out about something.

I used to collect every Craftsman star drill I saw when I was big into Craftsman.

Good to see you're around here still by the way! We need more Williams pics too.

 

[woody 73]

In the old days a person would hit the star drill (think of a much longer size) and turn it then hit it again and turn it then hit it again...well you get the idea and that was the start of a hole where one could put an explosive charge into the hole sounds like hell on earth until the advent of the air drill.

See if this post helps you with one of the names of the star bits:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272897

 

[kwoswalt99]

They showed this on the 100 mile walk episode of little house on the prairie, 1st season.

 

[bczygan]

2 minutes into this video, he shows how to use a hand operated star type drill bit.

Bill

 

[JUNK-MAN]

Used for breaking up concrete I have a couple lying around someware.

 

[z1kzonly]

Hi Western New Yorker, yes it's been awhile since I posted.
Thanks for the info. Now with the colder weather, I'll try and get back to it.
I might even try some eBay. But I see the prices are not doing too good?
I'll have to get some pics of J H tools up.
I have a story of a double box end angled wrench that I cut in half to use for Harley cylinder head bolts. I cut the 9/16" off to use for the cylinder heads on the old Shovel head, They have 7/16 - fine thread. And it is a pain in the AAASSS to thread them in! I even cracked this 9/16 by hitting it with a hammer to tighten the head bolts many years ago. I still have this FLH shovelhead.
But What a vintage set of wrenches. I have not researched but they are old. And 1 of them has "SPECIAL" stamped in it, PT #8027.

 

[z1kzonly]

Thanks for the quick info on the star bits.
I hope you get a kick out of the J H Williams wrench cut into 2 pieces.
Probally ruined the value of a complete set!

 

[woody 73]

Oy vey did you kill that set value I have been collecting JH Williams wrenches for the last 20 years and I don't recall seeing any marked special; maybe on ebay but never in my tool hunts.

Now you got me thinking I had better check my stash for any marked special

 

[3baygarage]

I see how the short wrench came in handy there but yeah it pains me to see you took it from your set.

Lots of open enders were stamped special too going way back. Many of which I have to wonder why, because there are some it would seem they should have been in the catalog.

 

[MShaw]

For those that did not watch the video the star bits are for drilling holes in concrete, not for "busting it up". Used to fit lead shields and lag bolts to anchor things to concrete.

 

[Fretters]

For those that did not watch the video the star bits are for drilling holes in concrete, not for "busting it up". Used to fit lead shields and lag bolts to anchor things to concrete.

I seem to recall I have the odd one or two old Rawl bits knocking about somewhere, for making the holes for their wall plugs. How times have changed on making a hole.

 

[Larryjones]

I was my dad's go-to-er for drilling block walls for attaching door, window frames, and other attachments. I could burn up a carbide bit but the old star drills never seemed to wear out.

 

[laser3kw]

They showed this on the 100 mile walk episode of little house on the prairie, 1st season.

what the f...
why do you even know that? or tell people you know that

 

[theoldwizard1]

For those that did not watch the video the star bits are for drilling holes in concrete, not for "busting it up". Used to fit lead shields and lag bolts to anchor things to concrete.

Before pneumatic drills came to mining large star drills were used by hard rock miners. One man held the drill (~1"+ diameter, couple of feet long) and the other hit it with a sledge. Turn drill, repeat. After a while they swapped places. The hole was load with black powder or later nitroglycerin and a fuse was set.

 

[z1kzonly]

Thanks for all the info! I did see some sold on eBay a while back.
Some might end up there.
The 5/8" DIAMOND was the most used, the top has most mushroomed over. But the tip looks new. Boy they must be made of some good old American quality forged steel!

 

[kwoswalt99]

what the f...
why do you even know that? or tell people you know that

I dunno. I suppose i would have been more helpful if I posted a clip to go along with that. I can't find the whole clip though.

I've noticed before that whatever does the striking usually recieves less damage than whatever is being hit. Hammers mushroom chisels, impact drives mushroom impact sockets, etc...

 

[z1kzonly]

Hello, not to sound like a dummy, but I have had these sitting around since I was a teenager and I Lost my Dad to an Industrial accident in 1972.
I have used and enjoyed his hand tools to this very day.
My Grandfather also worked at J.H. Williams tool company in Buffalo, NY.
But these look like some sort of drift or chisel? cement drill?
There are various names.
DIAMOND, ARROW, STAR, ARROW AND KRAEUTER.
I just don't know what they are? Never seen any on ebay?
Thanks in advance.
Marty in Buffalo, NY

These are listed on ebay, for $20.00 to your door. And I added a brass mortar point tool. I'm giving this away??? No one wants it for $20 bucks? But it is current on eBay for 2 more days. Copy and search this line:
"Vntg. Star Drills For Concrete 8 piece Lot 12" x 1/4"to 5/8" & brass point tool"
In case anyone is interested.
Thanks.