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HJorth Perfect Spring Winder

antman213

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Does anyone have any experience with a HJorth "perfect" spring bender. It is said to be used in a Lathe or drill press or even by hand in a vise.
Appears to make both compression and tension springs or custom sizes.

I'm hoping to get some pictures of it in action soon.
 

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Hello! I'm new-ish to the forum, lurked and used as reference material for a while, but this is my first post.
I was curious how you made out with this tool. I acquired one recently and the idea of being able to make my own springs is very attractive. Issue is this...
I can't quite figure it out. I've read the instructions. I've read through the patent. I've stared at drawings and pictures that seem to purposely avoid being useful. This tool is making me feel extremely dumb. I get the gist of it. Feed the wire up, wrap it around whatever diameter rod, nut controls tension. I guess what I don't get is why the tool makes this better/easier then just using my hand?
 

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According to the notes at datamp.org. the "accompanying instruction pamphlet explains that the cost of the tool can be recouped in a single day of work." Unfortunately there's no link anywhere to the "instruction pamphlet".
There is, however, language in the patent document itself that appears to explain how the tool is used.

Hjorth / William Hjorth & Co., 28 Taylor St., Jamestown, NY (Hjorth Lathe & Tool Co., Boston, MA) / patent 735289 Aug 4 1903 Karl Peterson & 738444 Sep 8 1903 Arthur W. Hjorth & & 861283 Jul 30 1907 Henry J. Hjorth / "Sta-Set" "Empire" "Lightning" / http://alloy-artifacts.org/hjorth-william-company.html / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/william-hjorth-co-jamestown-ny.300286/ /

@Historyworker -

keep this URL handy at all times

and this one too ;)
 

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A guy winding a spring in a lathe cries out in pain .......the wire ran out ,spring uncoiled and drove the free end into his hand right through .
 
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Historyworker

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According to the notes at datamp.org. the "accompanying instruction pamphlet explains that the cost of the tool can be recouped in a single day of work." Unfortunately there's no link anywhere to the "instruction pamphlet".
There is, however, language in the patent document itself that appears to explain how the tool is used.

Hjorth / William Hjorth & Co., 28 Taylor St., Jamestown, NY (Hjorth Lathe & Tool Co., Boston, MA) / patent 735289 Aug 4 1903 Karl Peterson & 738444 Sep 8 1903 Arthur W. Hjorth & & 861283 Jul 30 1907 Henry J. Hjorth / "Sta-Set" "Empire" "Lightning" / http://alloy-artifacts.org/hjorth-william-company.html / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/william-hjorth-co-jamestown-ny.300286/ /

@Historyworker -

keep this URL handy at all times

and this one too ;)
Ty for the info, and the GJ links. 9/10 I'm jumping to a thread directly from Google search, doing a quick scan and then moving on. It's kind of like running around a massive building and looking in the windows but never taking the recommended tour.

I've looked over said pamphlet here https://archive.org/details/HjorthPerfectionSpringWinder
And also read that very dry bit of patent info...and I just don't get it lol. Which is particularly frustrating because I've actually stated in job I interviews that I have an inherent ability pick up on things so quickly it sometimes seems disrespectful. It's like I've got a blind spot.
No where on the internet can I find just a 2 image sequence of this thing being used.
 

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I just downloaded and read that "instruction sheet" and I have absolutely no clue how that device is used.
You already checked on papawswrench.com in the "tool talk" forum ?
 

Historyworker

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I just downloaded and read that "instruction sheet" and I have absolutely no clue how that device is used.
You already checked on papawswrench.com in the "tool talk" forum ?
I have now (and saved another link, ty for that); it comes up a few times mostly as with is this, and also a pretty cool discussion about the show "how it's made" but that's it. I made an attempt at using the tool, wire got wrapped around a bolt....no better then I could've done by hand. But then I got to thinking, part of my issue may be that I'm just simply using regular old baling wire, as opposed to spring wire, which I imagine is much stiffer and not nearly as easy to work with.
 

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But then I got to thinking, part of my issue may be that I'm just simply using regular old baling wire, as opposed to spring wire, which I imagine is much stiffer and not nearly as easy to work with
If you are getting spring shaped objects, and they aren’t very springy, I suspect you’ve found your problem.

As John.k noted above, the spring wire will bite you. Baling wire usually just tears open skin.
 

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The only spring winding I have done was on a lathe. The arbor determines the diameter and the variable is the feed rate (pitch) of the spring. On a lathe, this is determined by the carriage feed. I would guess that the Hjorth uses an adjustable gauge for this.

There is another variable to consider, which is the start and stop areas where the coils lay tight against each other. On a lathe you simply feed that area by hand before engaging the carriage feed, then disengage the feed near the end and finish that end by hand. On the Hjorth, this should involve the gauge.

Spring wire will "spring back" from your arbor, so it needs to be smaller than the finished inside diameter of the spring. There will also be a similar effect on length, but it is not large. Practicing using mechanics (baling) wire will let you test the pitch of the coils and let you perfect the start and stop parts of the winding.

I always use coils of spring wire, so running out of wire prematurely isn't much of a problem. Trying to use the last bit of the coil could "bite" you, and should be avoided.

It may be easier to set up your arbor to turn, like chucked in a lathe or drill press, and have an assistant turn the spindle by hand while you focus on handling the tool. I would not turn the spindle with power unless you have a setup with complete control of speed and start/stop.
 
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