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I need a couple of hollow ground screwdrivers to remove the jets on small engine carburetors. These are sometimes called "gunsmithing screwdrivers" but I am not paying that much money for some tool that only get occasional use.

I have one from Briggs & Stratton but it is not really big enough. Should I just sacrifice and old screwdriver and go to town with a Dremel and a small ending drum ?
 
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Why not? You can definitely modify a screwdriver to suit your needs.

1/4" bits are often hollow ground but sometimes there are clearance issues with bits/drivers, depending on how deep the jet is buried.
 

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Cheap gunsmithing sets from China can be had for ten or fifteen dollars. It will be insert bits but for carburetors, more than good enough.
 

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I need a couple of hollow ground screwdrivers to reve the jets on small engine carburetors. These are sometimes called "gunsmithing screwdrivers" but I am not paying that much money for some tool that only get occasional use.

I have one from Briggs & Stratton but it is not really big enough. Should I just sacrifice and old screwdriver and go to town with a Dremel and a small ending drum ?

Hollow ground don't always fit correctly. Sometimes they bottom out too easily or just barely engage with the screw slot. I always prefer a custom grind/long taper for a perfect fit.

If you need a perfect fit that's what donor screwdrivers and a Dremel are for. Use a black Sharpie to monitor your fitment until you get it perfect. It's really pretty easy.
 

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My old man was a machinist and 'smith, since his mil days. He used to use those old style, rectangular, redwood handle screwdrivers with blued steel shafts as donors. He'd use a hardening paste after heating and oil quenching that I think was either Birchwood-Casey or Brownwells. That was his choice.

Try buying a basic Wheeler set and use a decent bit driver. Those big sets have a lot of bits you'll never use.

Vessels's flat blades are to the nearest standard mm, while not really hollow ground, much more so then regular blades on drivers. May be others. Last I recall, Grace sells theirs individually or sets.
 

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Grace makes wood handled hollow ground screwdrivers. Usa made and affordable.
 

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Kinda getting cheap? Ten bucks for the correct hollow ground screwdriver is too much? Could also buy the Chapman Wrench and hollow ground bit....or buy the kit for other projects as well
 

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I bought my Grace set at HJE for a reasonable price. They come out for all my restoration projects.

But if feeling cheap, grinding down a donor works too.
 

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All slot bits are hollow ground except a few used for hammer/impacting purposes. I suggest them as the most useful option. The keystone/chisel tips you commonly find on fixed blade drivers are mostly good for poking/prying/scraping/mixing.

You just have to pay attention to SAE/Metric sizings or grind them slightly to fit. The longer bits with reduced shanks are useful, like these:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F6DKNM1/?tag=atomicindus08-20
 

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Insert bits can sometimes be too short, but a set of longer power bits and a collet-style screwdriver handle, like the Malco Connext might be the ticket.
 

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I have bits from Wera that are hollow ground. In theory they should only be cents to a couple dollars. In practice, it's probably hard to find them and if you do they'll be priced stupidly.
 

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The Vessel ball handle screwdrivers work very well for this. I gave my father a set that he uses on his workbench.
 

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The Vessel ball handle screwdrivers work very well for this. I gave my father a set that he uses on his workbench.

Redragoon is on to something but you'll to order the Craftsman version on Amazon, they're the only model with dual tip that are both hollow ground slotted.

Vessel's blade version come with combo PH & (1) slotted tips. The Craftsman (made in Japan) is a nice slotted driver if those sizes work for you? Has good steel and nicely milled.

Two slotted sizes are: 1/8" (3mm) and 1/4" (6mm)

It was recently selling on Amazon for $7, but now I can only find the slotted version on ebay for 412, shoot them a reasonable offer:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/324402461561?hash=item4b87e4bb79:g:FfYAAOSwGzpfyDVo

I've been using this grip with Felo and PB Swiss hollow ground tips as well and happy with the results with all three options.

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Cheap gunsmithing sets from China can be had for ten or fifteen dollars. It will be insert bits but for carburetors, more than good enough.

Believe it or not, I can't seem to find any ! Used to be a Bald Eagle set but they have vanished.
 

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Go to Home Despot and get the orange-handled 6-in-1 screwdriver. Hollow ground and cheep.
 

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At Lowe's, over in the electrical tools section, they have a screwdriver/bit set from Ideal. It comes with quite a few hollow ground bits for slotted screws of various sizes. It also has Phillips, Torx, and Hex (Allen) bits.

The driver handle uses a collet instead of a magnet. The bits fit a little deep, but it can also use longer power bits, or a magnetic bit holder. It can even use double-ended bits. The bits slide in without pulling back on the collet, and lock in place. The handle has cap and storage space for bits or screws. The cap spins so you can "palm" it.

The driver and bits are made in USA, and the kit is about $25. The only negative, is that sometimes the bits are difficult to remove from the block, but that means they won't accidentally fall out.
 
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I can't imagine - on the condition that you're using a quality screwdriver of the correct size for the screw - that hollow ground tips give a better fitment in reality. I've got a large selection of flat tip screwdrivers (wiha, wera, facom) and I'm yet to f*ck up a screw.

I understand the physics, but I can't see the difference in reality. I'll get some if I have the opportunity, to do some side-by-side comparisons...
 

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There is no guarantee, at least with decorative slot heads I know of when it comes to the thickness of the blade. The width may be perfect, but loose on inside the slot, especially if the slot depth is short which is common. You end up with a blade the walks out of the narrow slot regardless.

Custom ground or OEM drivers are really the only solution if you're trying to keep a customers or your own items in pristine appearance. Replacement of the original screws is usually not an option.
 

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I can't imagine - on the condition that you're using a quality screwdriver of the correct size for the screw - that hollow ground tips give a better fitment in reality. I've got a large selection of flat tip screwdrivers (wiha, wera, facom) and I'm yet to f*ck up a screw.

I understand the physics, but I can't see the difference in reality. I'll get some if I have the opportunity, to do some side-by-side comparisons...

There's definitely a big difference in reality. The fasteners you use in Belgium might be different than those in the USA but German drivers like Wiha are often too thick to properly fit some fasteners in the USA. For example, most German 6.5mm drivers are 1.2mm thick whereas most American 1/4" drivers are around 1.0mm thick. In the photo below, I had to use a size smaller and the Wiha driver still just wedged in at the top. This can easily cause damage.

On this forum there have been entire topics about people only using slotted drivers as pry bars. So to that audience, the fit on slotted screws is unimportant. But for those using screwdrivers to drive screws, there is a real difference.

The "Parallel tips" of the Swiss standard (VSM) fit best. Hollow ground are also good. The precisely machined Kleins are a much better fit for American fasteners than the Wiha even though the profile is similar.

Here's a comparison photo of PB Swiss, Klein and Wiha driving a common countersunk screw. The PB Swiss 6.5 mm fills the slot perfectly. The Klein 1/4" also is an excellent fit but the corners do stick out because of the shape of the countersunk screw. The Wiha 5.5 just wedges in at the very tip and doesn't fill the slot. The Wiha 6.5 (not shown) doesn't fit at all. All these screwdrivers are good screwdrivers but they don't all fit the same. Standard screw sizes have a range so having lots of choices is a good thing.

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I can't imagine - on the condition that you're using a quality screwdriver of the correct size for the screw - that hollow ground tips give a better fitment in reality. I've got a large selection of flat tip screwdrivers (wiha, wera, facom) and I'm yet to f*ck up a screw.

I understand the physics, but I can't see the difference in reality. I'll get some if I have the opportunity, to do some side-by-side comparisons...

Once you use them, you will see a difference. No chance of cam-out. Hollow ground are also known as parallel ground. If you use a tapered screwdriver blade in a brass fitting (carb jet), there is a chance it will cam out, but with a hollow ground driver, it cannot cam out.

If you read the 2 wiha descriptions, you will notice one is parallel ground and the other is not:
https://www.wihatools.com/11piece-softfinish-precision-picofinish-screwdriver-driver-set

https://www.wihatools.com/screwdrivers/microfinish-non-slip-grip/microfinish-extra-heavy-duty-slotted-phillips-5-piece-set


Wera calls it square ground, one screwdriver has it, the other doesn't:

https://products.wera.de/en/screwdrivers_kraftform_plus__series_300_378_b.html

https://products.wera.de/en/screwdrivers_kraftform_plus__series_900_932_a.html


Here is PB Swiss's offering:
https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/screwdrivers/product/pb-1025-160
 

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Gunsmithing kits usually come with a large number or slotted driver bits. This is because there are many sizes of slotted screws in firearms, and it is important to use one that properly fits to avoid damaging the screw - especially on antique firearms, where a replacement screw may not be available, and the damage can effect the value of the weapon.

For a more day-to-day example, go look at a wall switch, network drop, or electrical outlet cover. Often, these use slotted screws for aesthetic reasons, and they are quite easily damaged. Once you spot a damaged one, you can't help but notice it every single time. Well, *I* can't. Then again I line up all the screws vertically to make it look better, and so I can tell if someone else has taken that plate off. :)

Klein keystone and cabinet screwdrivers are designed to fit American fasteners in electrical applications, which is why some people complain that they don't fit well on other screws. They are specified to that particular purpose. Same with Snap-On for automotive purposes. There is a tiny difference, but it is important.

Old WF Craftsman slotted screwdrivers didn't fit their intended screws very well. Example: A 1/4" was really closer to 9/32" and would destroy a wall plate screw. I've had to grind them down with a file and sanding block to get them to properly fit. Regular weekend warriors would often use these for prying, chiseling, punching, stirring, poking, digging, scraping and all kinds of things except turning a screw, so I suppose it didn't matter much to them. But a high quality set of hollow ground drivers or bits can make all the difference when it really counts.
 

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6mm hollow slot is best for North American faceplates as the screw head is shaped for the countersunk hole. A variety of brands is still necessary to account for the different slot thickness in general. This is a Taiwanese bit:

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For better screwdriver to fastener fitment. Used mainly by gunsmiths, I mainly use them for the brass screws and jets on found on carb's.

https://chapmanmfg.com/

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That image assumes the hollow ground bit is precisely the width of the screw slot. That's very often not the case. Hollow ground bits can be as sloppy as any other bit. Screw slots are seldom machined to precision.

The perfect bit is a long gradual taper that forms a tight press fit with the top of the screw slot just before it hits the bottom of the slot. You get this by customizing your own bits.

Guys that do precision clock work do this all the time.
 
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I can't imagine - on the condition that you're using a quality screwdriver of the correct size for the screw - that hollow ground tips give a better fitment in reality. I've got a large selection of flat tip screwdrivers (wiha, wera, facom) and I'm yet to f*ck up a screw. .

Not a screw, a carburetor jet.
 

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One day I just gave up and ordered the Brownell's mega kit of hollow ground insert bits, also comes with a couple of handles. Once you own this thing, you will never damage a slotted screw ever again. The bits are very high quality and there are so many sizes that you can always get a perfect fit.

I'm surprised how often I use it. I grab it any time I work on carburetors, old bicycles, even old window and door hardware.
 
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Back to life !

Still looking for hollow ground slotted screwdrivers for use on carburetor jets. Wiha makes some nice ones, but they are tiny (3.0mm and less). I have the 2 different sizes a Briggs & Stratton jet screwdrivers, but I am looking for something bigger.

It seems that if you add the word "gunsmithing", the price QUADRUPLES !

Something like this discontinued set would be nice
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I think PB Swiss is the "perfect" answer to this problem. They're not just hollow ground, but vertically flat ground.

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Obviously if you think gunsmithing screwdrivers are too expensive, then PB Swiss may be downright offensive. However, you really only need ONE from the sounds of it...
 

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BTW, instead of looking for screwdrivers from tool retailers, perhaps consider powersports retailers. There are screwdrivers specifically for carburetors.
 

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I bought these 15 or so years ago, was thrilled with the price then. They seem to have gone up a bit.


Lee Valley sells them as singles, but at a price that makes the set look great.

 
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