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jbailly

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Hi all.
I was just wondering how some of you guys do what you do. I mean I don't know how you afford these huge Garage Mahals plus awesome houses and great cars and might be building 2 or 3 cars at once as well. I just don't see it, I would love to build a garage and would like either a 3 car or oversized 2 car, but at around $25k for just a building with no floor or electric I just can't do it. I just don't understand how some here do what they do and still pay the bills.
Jon
 
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A lot of people don't do it. A lot of people are just above the financial trouble line. But there are a lot who are doing well. Most people who are doing well typically are middle age, often have a spouse that works and have worked very hard from the time they got out of school. This forum is such a cross section of the America and the world which makes it great. Some people have been blessed to have family tied wealth but most simply prioritize and work hard for the money. I know I always thought I had two jobs, my regular one to pay the bills and the second one for the extras/future/toys etc. I worked about 60-70 houirs between the two. Not every week but I made sure if oppurtunity came my way I was not too lazy to take it. Thats how I did it.
 

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It's easy, I worked my *** off from the time I was 14, there wasn't a side job I didn't take, mowed lawns, raked leaves, shoveled snow. One time I think I was 15 I dug 200 post holes for a milk farmer, $2 per hole.

Kinda helped that my dad got me saving 10 to 25% of every check I ever got, even if it was $3 for shoveling a small set of stairs I put aside the $0.30.

I learned the difference between "Want" and "Need" There are lots of things that I want but few that I actually need, for the last few years I have been wanting a lathe and a mill but have been un able to find either at the price point that I am will to spend for a tool that will not increase my income and be a fun / hobby toy.

I need to add that if you look through the build threads you will see that many of us have built our own shops or made due with a existing space. Building it yourself in your spare time can double your material and finish's budget, using used/second hand materials can add to that as well. The main beam in my shop came from materials salvaged from a old school.
 
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Yep, 2-3 jobs from your teens 'til you are in your 40's, driving second hand wheels the whole time.

I put in my time and got the wore out body to prove it...and I wouldn't change a thing if I had to do it all over again.
 

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Working hard is part of it, but making the right choices doesn't hurt either.

About two years ago I quit my job. I'd taken it maybe eight years earlier thinking it was a step up in the world (project manager vs. designer) and was trying to "better myself" as the saying goes. Well it turns out that I was salaried, the incentives dried up when construction turned down, and the only thing I really had that I didn't have before was a company car, an ulcer, and probably incipient cirrhosis. I was working 70-80 hours a week, on call 24/7, and constantly being reamed for not doing enough and not getting back to people quickly enough. It wasn't like that from the beginning, but after a few years it turned into a show and I liken quitting that job to breaking up with an abusive significant other.

The short answer is you need to interview prospective employers as critically as they are interviewing you. Taking a bad job can hurt you just as much as being lazy, underemploying yourself, etc. You need to find a job that appreciates what you do and compensates you fairly for it while understanding the need to have some non-company time.

I'm making a little less money now but I'm far happier than I was.

That said, I think I'm going to apply for some second jobs this weekend due to other considerations...
 

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I get asked this all the time. For me it's just been to work hard and we live within our means. Now from the outside it looks differently but I do everything myself, or with friends and family. If I had to pay someone to build our house or build my shop I couldn't have afforded to do it. I'm blessed enough to be good with my hands and have other family members in skilled takes that comes in handy. We dont borrow money except for a mortage. I pay cash, if we don't have it then we don't need it.
 

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Financial responsibility and self control, as in, don't do stupid ****.
Just this week one person I know was actually considering buying a $4-5000 motorcycle, on a loan, which of course would have required full coverage insurance, at THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MONTH!!! Are you fecking kidding me!!! $300/mo insurance on a $4000 bike!?!?!? WTF???

AND, this was the same person who was just bragging last month that he had saved $400/mo by refinancing 2 car loans. When questioned on how that was possible, he admitted to having actually signed up for not 1, but 2 auto loans at nearly 19% interest!!! He was thrilled to get them down under 10%!!!

Holy ****!! And he wonders why he can't have nice stuff?? DUH!!!

I see this stuff all the time. It's sad that there's not more education in how not to do stupid ****.
 

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For me, I try to keep a low debt to income ratio. To be honest my income is nothing to brag about (my wife make double what I do), but the only thing we owe is the mortgage. NO credit cards, NO car payments, and NO kids.

I'd love to have a shiny brand new car, but I'd rather keep that cash and spending it doing what I love, which is racing.

Like others have said, I don't have everything I want, but I surely have everything I need, and then some.
 

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I would wager that most of the readers (and posters) here are working out of standard two-car garages -- sometimes three car -- and making do with what they have. Look at Jack Olsen's fantastic two-car garage, built with lots of hard work and not very much budget. There are a few high-profile garage builds that obviously do not fit that mold, and they are certainly an enjoyable spectacle. But they represent a small minority of the overall readership here, even if they seem to garner lots of attention.

I myself was in a position to purchase a house a few years back (after saving for five or ten years) and finding a house with workshop space was a priority. But that didn't really increase the price we ended up paying, it just took lots of legwork to find it. I certainly don't consider myself wealthy, but middle age and a steady job for the last 25 years have certainly given me some latitude to spend money on my hobbies.
 
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Wow. You guys really aren't afraid of work. I have a good job and so does my wife, but right now and into the foreseeable future I can't afford to do hardly anything, hopefully in a year or two that will change, but right now I can't. Oh well I guess it gives me more time to figure out exactly what I need in this project.
Thanks,
Jon
 

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I have a good job and so does my wife, but right now and into the foreseeable future I can't afford to do hardly anything, hopefully in a year or two that will change, but right now I can't. Oh well I guess it gives me more time to figure out exactly what I need in this project.

I think time is the key element here. For a lot of us, this was probably a long time coming. There was a time I didn't have any garage and was working on my car in the driveway, or doing DIY projects out in the back yard. It seems like that will be the way it is forever sometimes, unless you will it to be different. It just takes time.

You'll get there.
 

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HoosierMark is spot on. I came from a blue collar family. I put myself through college by working full time in the industry I was studying, so by the time I graduated I had 7 years experience in the industry and had been promoted to a management position before graduation. Once I had the paper, I went from management to senior management at the director level in just 3 more years.

I moved myself and my, at the time, small family 2000 miles to where the work I was trained in was most needed AND most rewarded. I'm always on the lookout for ways to improve my knowledge and look for opportunities. I don't pass on a good opportunity because it has a short term downside when the long term upside is great. The key is figuring out which ones are "good"! :) You will make mistakes. Be prepared for them.

I just turned 45 and now have 2 houses. "Our" house and the one I bought for my MiL next to our kids schools so she could retire early to be close to the grand kids and be their "before and after" school care provider. Paying the mortgage with tax deductible interest on a home is actually cheaper than day care for 3 kids where we live! Now looking for a 3rd home for vacations in Lake Tahoe.

The key is to learn a useful/valuable skill, go where the work is, constantly improve yourself so you'll be more valuable, recognize good opportunities when they present themselves and spend your money wisely. Each time I got a raise I tried to keep my living expenses at the same level. I didn't upgrade my basic cable plan to the All Sports plan, I didn't go and hit the bars and party like a lot of my friends and I didn't go out and buy a new car or get a bigger apartment.

I changed jobs once while I was in school from a company that paid bi-weekly up to the current week to a company that paid monthly with one pay period in arrears which means you get paid one pay period behind. So I went over 8 weeks on my last 2 week paycheck. My 1 "meal" each day was ONE $0.23 taco and ALL the water I could drink from Taco Mayo. It only worked because I could walk to my new job from campus and my room where my old job was far enough away I had to drive. Not having to pay for gas for 2 months is the only reason I lived to tell the tale! It was totally worth it because it was a better job, didn't require a commute, came with more responsibility and a stepping stone to my next role.

We stayed crammed in our little apartment until we were ready to buy a little house we could afford on one income in case one of us lost their job. This forced us to keep our spending down and we bought during a depressed housing market in 1998. We bought our next house in 2009 during that housing market collapse. I always get 30yr mortgages that I make double payments on, so if something goes bad we can drop to the "regular" payment at half the cost. If everything goes well, they get paid off in under 15 years. Our first house we bought in 1998 was nearly paid off when we bought our new house, so we had a TON of equity even though the market was down.

That's how I have 3 race cars, 3 show cars, 4 project cars, daily drivers and 2 houses. I haven't bought a new car since 1999. All cars are bought used at least 2 to 3 years old but in great shape. My 1999 Honda Civic daily driver is the one new car I bought for my wife after her Geo bit the dust and before we had kids. It has 270,000 miles and still gets 35 mpg. I could easily go out and buy a new car, but there's no reason. This one works fine and gets good fuel economy for a non-hybrid that's been paid off since 2003.
 
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Started working at 11 years of age - paper route, picking strawberries, mowing lawns, etc. At age 38, was living in a 1200 sq ft house with wife and 2 kids and 2 car attached in which I was restoring a second car. I have never had cable tv, boat or many other things that others consider necessities - don't smoke, never been to a bar, don't drink regularly or heavy. As others have said, hard work, but also patience (things get easier when the kids have moved on) and paying attention to how you spend your money.
 

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For me it's always been about hard work and good decision making. I am still relatively young at 35 but have been working since I was 15. I didn't go to college, I just worked. And I worked my *** off for years from the very bottom and have gotten into a good mid level management position. We have always lived within our means and toughed it out when things got rough. I have no credit card debt, no auto loans. Only real debt I have is my house and a small student loan my wife has. If I can't afford it by saving my money and paying cash for it, I sure as hell am not going to finance it. I have also made good real estate decisions and have made quite a bit of money that way. I have never rented anything. I bought my first place when I was 19, for 40k. Sold it 4 years later for 115k. And kept moving up as I went. Now we are in our dream house. I still work hard because that is what I do and I still have many years of it left. But things are getting easier and money is getting easier to save. Stick with it, and just be smart about stuff, you'll get there.
 

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I've done all the wrong things and will pay for it for the rest of my life.

A lot of the guys on here have done the right things at the right time.

Choices and timing and avoiding the pitfalls that wait for you, is the answer.

You are young and have a chance still before you.

But you need knowledge and a plan of action.

And you must doggedly persue the plan with action.
 

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I'm probably a relatively typical GJ'er. How do I do it? I worked since the day I was 15. My father was a financial advisor and taught me the value of intelligent spending. Paid for college myself, got a bachelors in IT. Graduated with zero debt and landed a decent job right before the tech crash (07). Never lost my job. I lived at home until after college when I, my parents, and my brother bought a foreclosure on the same block for cash. We fixed it up and my brother and I lived there 2 years rent free. Worked hard, switched jobs once, been promoted twice. I have always been interested in computers and networking since I was young. I am constantly reading and learning about it and enjoy what I do. I think that plays a part in my success. I met my (now) wife and then cashed out of the foreclosure and bought a house in a decent area with a 3 car garage. I made sure to spend less than what the banks approved me for. I did some work myself to make it our own. Replaced all the doors with solid 6 panels, painted everything, redid the carpet. Re-tiled the bathroom and installed a whirlpool. I insulated and lit the garage. I'm 31 and have a pretty average garage and toys for GJ I think. My only exceptional toy is a low miles Honda S2000. With a 3 month old now my wife and I are looking to upgrade homes and locations a little. We have a few years to pick a school district though. When we do move I plan on converting the current home into a rental for some extra income and retirement equity. I know being a landlord is some work but I think that will probably be a smart long term move vs just selling it.

Limiting expenses is just as important as raising your income when it comes to having wealth. You can't build wealth if you spend everything, no matter how much you make.

Here is how my wife and I manage our monthly budget.

First I add up our monthly after tax income. All income goes to joint checking. Then I subtract out all fixed monthly expenses (mortgage, car payment, average elec+gas bills, internet bill, cell bill, trash bill, daycare, etc). Also included in the "fixed expenses" is that we each get $X shuffled into our personal accounts to spend as we see fit. Finally I subtract out another good bit for mandatory savings.

The number remaining is our target credit card bill. We then put all non fixed expenses on the credit card. This includes food, gas, toys, clothes, and everything else we buy, except for personal purchases that come out of our personal accounts. We then track balance vs closing date. If we are over-budget, we eat in and hold off on "want" purchases. At the end of the month, the balance is paid off. And then the crucial part: Any checking balance remaining over $1000 gets pushed off into our investment account. Out of sight, out of mind. I have found that when the extra is allowed to sit in checking, we tend to see that balance and be more free with our spending even if we are already over budget on the credit card. This method has worked very well for us.
 

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Well done ripperd. If that's how everyone managed their money, there'd be far fewer financial crisis, business or otherwise.
 

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Bought a dumpy old house I could easily afford (bought it originally to flip it for quick $$). Economy went boobies up, stuck with the house. Spent the last 5 years completely gutting it and reinventing it to become income property. Busted my ***, and now it is about to pay off. My job helps some....:lol:

I didn't eve realize what I had with the barn until recently. Now that I do, I am fixing that up myself too. Family/friends all helping out. I have spent my whole life going out of my way to help people, now they are all helping me.

If I had to pay straight-up for what I have done to my house, and am about to do to my barn, I'd never be able to afford it. I take my time, research materials and techniques, ever-combing CL for equipment & materials I could use for the project at hand....I imagine I have saved 10's of thousands over the house project, and many thousands already on the barn/workshop project.

I really have come to enjoy scoring a good deal. Makes me happy to feel like I did my due-dilligence for my projects! My last deal, a 125 AMP-20 circuit service panel, like new condition w 15 breakers already in it (including the main)...$50!! That right there saved me over $100....thats real money man!!!
 

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My wife and I have always worked. Both been savers. Teenagers.....odd jobs as Humper68 stated. Work long hours. When she was in college she worked and when she was working full time, she attended graduate school full time...traveled an hour each way to school. Those were long years. I always made good money.....no children. We lived on 40 hr. check....saved everything else, and then on a 40 hr. check saved from that. 401K. I didn't get my shop til I retired. THAT I did wrong......should have built it sooner.....when we paid off the house, but ..... That's all. Hard work...save...no kids.
 
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You can even do it with kids. It's not so much "hard" work as it is "smart" work. You have to be willing to do what has to be done to achieve your goals. Hard work is part of it, but making good decisions is the key.
 

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To the OP,just remember,there are many people who probably envy you,just as you might envy some of the guys on GJ.Everyone is different and some of us have made the wrong choices and have or are still making up for those choices.There is no shame in admitting you've screwed up in the past as long as you are not continuing to make the same mistakes.
Remember the old adage, "if you find yourself in a hole,stop digging".

Mike
 

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I talked to a guy who has VERY nice house, 2 late model Harleys and some nice cars.
He told me that he builds low income housing for the Federal government. He told me he owes the government $17 million. He has no plan to pay. On the day he dies the government will get it all but he doesnt care because he will be dead...after living like a wealthy person.

I have a fleet of antique cars and hotrods, Harleys and Indian motorcycles. My garage is 40X100X14. I have 4 properties, about 75 acres, everything paid for. How did I do it? I have never bought a new car. My newest is a 1966 model. The truth? Everything I have probably cost about the same as one expensive car. Lots of people pay for an expensive car and get another every two years. Thats a lot of money when added up over a lifetime. The 75 acres is a tree farm and is ready for harvest. Buy things that make money.

So there's two ways to do it. Cheat the American taxpayers or never buy a new car. :)
 

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There are a lot of Garage Mahals on here, but the ones I admire most are the ones that made the most of what they had- like Jack Olson or Kiwi Kev. Who on here would not love to have what Kiwi Kev has? And its just a 2 car garage according to him. It is all about making the most of what you have.

My suggestion regarding a garage or shop- try to buy a house with one already there. A shop does not add much if any to the value of a house, so let the previous owner eat the loss. I did. My shop is just a 24 x 24, but I try to make the most of it.
 

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Sweat equity. Long hours, enjoy hard work. Started working when I was 12 drying dishes, delivering newspapers. Worked two jobs, often 7 days a week when the kids came along. My wife stayed home with the kids when they were young. She has never had to work full-time outside the house. Homeschooled my youngest two thru 8th grade & high school. If something broke, it was either throw it out or fix it. Bought tools and learn to fix things. Still don't have much cash, but no real debt, and lots of tools;).
 

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Agreed. I started working at 11 mowing lawns and doing odd jobs after school to save money for a car. At 14 I started to caddy at the local golf course on weekends as well. At 16 I used the car to get a "better" job as a "helper" at an electrical engineering company. Learned lots about commercial and residential construction. At 17 I started the apprenticeship program and at 18 realized I didn't want to dig anymore ditches so I went to college and worked on an EE degree. Got sidetracked with my love of computers and ended up with a CS degree instead!
 

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A real job at 13 and have always worked my *** off. Sometimes smart, other time not so smart. I've made big bucks and lost big bucks but being in my 50's now have learned a thing or two along the way. The best advice has already been given and that's to not live beyond your means. But if you willing to bust your *** and watch your steps, one day all those things you've wanted and worked for will appear, it's just a matter of patience.
 

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When I went to college my dad gave this advice:

"Son, you have an opportunity here. You can either work your *** off for the next 4 years so you can play for the rest of your life. Or, you can play for the next 4 years and have to work your *** off for the rest of your life. The choice is yours."

It didn't work out exactly that way but it was still good advice. I worked my *** off for 7.5 years, both in school and at work while going to school. Then I worked my *** off up until I had kids 16 years later. Now, I chaperone every school field trip for all 3 of my kids. I'm heavily involved in their school administration. Nearly every teacher and administrator knows me by first name. We take family trips at least once a year. I have no fear of losing my job because if I did, I could live off what I've saved for at least several years.

The only reason I have that freedom now is because of the sacrifices I made when I was young and the sense to recognize opportunities when they were available to me because of the work and preparation I had done to make sure I already had the skills someone was looking for. I didn't wait for someone to hire me and provide "On the job" training. I went out and learned stuff on my own time after my "real" job so I'd be ready for the NEXT job.
 

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You sound like a friend of mine. He sees the Johnson's new car, the Smiths have a pool, so and so has a new boat and somebody else went to Europe for 2 weeks.
He wants a new car, new boat, pool and a 2 week vacation in Europe.
He doesn't consider that the Johnson's have been saving for 3 years (since they paid of their previous car). The Smiths are working 3 jobs between them. The people that went to Europe haven't had any vacation for years. Some of them have benefit of some inheritance. All of them do some of their vehicle and home maintenance, cut some expenses where they can, earn a little extra cash when they can.

He jumps from job to job, changing occupation each time, he uses all his vacation time soon after he gets it, then takes quite a few sick days, turns down overtime, every time. Three times a week he eats steak, he orders out twice a week. Most nights/weekends he sits in front of a big screen TV in his leather recliner watching bought / rented movies and old TV shows drinking beer, smoking cigarettes and wondering how all of these people can have all this stuff.
 

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No wife, no kids, fortunate to have a good job that I love doing and pays pretty well. The only loans I have are the house, airplane and a small car loan. I saved the cash to build my 20x29 garage. Actually, I put it on my Southwest card, and paid it off as the bills came in. Lot's of points that way. I also don't have a huge house. 1100sf that I bought in 95, at the bottom of the market, and I resisted the urge to trade up.

Recently, my GF brought her 21 year old son to the house to check on the cats while I was on a trip. She showed him the shop, bikes, and other stuff. He asked how I could afford all that. She looked at him and said, "No kids" :lol:

He got a laugh out of that.
 

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I worked hard, with a smile and was always promoted. It did not take long to see that working for myself had the most potential. I don't pay anyone to do anything I can do myself, unless I don't want to do it, dental is left to professionals. After many years you learn when and how to spend money, otherwise put it to work.

A university education has help me enjoy life beyond work.
 

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Im only 30, was a late bloomer so to speak with college and worked nearly fulltime or more sometimes during college. I bought my own first car, paid my own first insurance (in NJ no small feat when your making a few bucks over min wage!). My parents helped me a bit, but I paid them back. I floundered a few times in college but kept at it, took some breaks, saved soem cash and unlike some other people I dont owe 100k+. I owe 25k which is damn reasonable since it was a private college. Been on the hunt for a real job but nothing so far. Not willing to move across the country and that seems to be the breaking point.

But since I was 10 I worked, be it doing chores or manual labor for my relatives or my immediate family. One summer I spent a good part of a month at 5/hr putting mulch down in a super large planting bed for my dad. I mowed the lawn, trimmed trees, mowed neighbors lawns, by 15 I had a job at the local grocery store and my dad pulled a few strings to get me a job being a butchers helper..awful job but I worked 60hrs a week to buy my own computer (at the time 2,000!), then i worked side jobs and at a clothing store for a few years in HS. Then I worked in a grocery store deli, then someone offered me a job towing from the deli (womans husband owned a shop) worked my *** off doing that for ok pay but the learning experience. I now make close to $20/hr for a job Id say in reality I work 60hrs a week total but the actual working part is more like 25hrs. I do side jobs all the time, gotta earn money.. I was also a mechanic for awhile, got paid good money hourly but it got to me after awhile.hate being cooped up in the shop.

Its all about hard work and being smart with your money. I coulda bought snap on and the likes and I did buy some but I didnt spend 10k on tools. I operated out of a cheapy husky chest for eons with a mixbag of quality but cheaper end tools, finally bought a nice harbor freight. I wanted a new hunting rifle, found a used one and spruced it up. Wanted an atv, bought a beat up one fixed it. Ive never bought a new car (and Im on car number 4). I drive them till the wheels fall off or they have alot of miles, my friends have new cars they gotta make payments for, etc, etc.

Hell, due to the harsh winter we had I did snow removal on the side. More than once I finished off 8-10hrs at my job then drove tot he site and hopped in a truck or whatever and worked another 6-12 hours (sometimes over night!). Caught a few hours of sleep and went to my fulltime job.

Work hard, work smart, do things yourself to save on costs, dont buy **** you dont need and any idle time is wasted time.
 

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25 years ago, my wife and I got together. I lost everything in a divorce except for a $5000 tab on my truck, and my clothes. My wife, had just had a fire and lost all of her possessions in a fire, and left her abusive boyfriend. Plus I had child support and alimony which after paying, left me with $40 for a 40 hour week. Luckily we had unlimited overtime, so both her and I worked as much as we could to get back up on top. My ex got married after a few years, so my alimony stopped. A few years after that, child support was over with. But we were now conditioned to working a lot of overtime. 80 hour weeks was not unusual. Each year when we got a raise, our raise went into our 401K. We were sitting fairly well until we were bought up and the new owners decided to take everyone's 401K and put it into their stock. Then 9/11 hit. I lost over $40,000 myself and my wife lost like $20,000 in the company takeover, then when 9/11 hit, it took another huge chunk out of our stocks. But we always played in the "aggressive market" with the 401K.

My wife retired at 59 1/2 because of the stress of the shop, and I had to go on disability at 55 due to a ton of surgeries. But because we worked so much overtime, and not ******* money away, we were able to build up our 401K. When we were both out of the shop, we rolled over everything into Edward Jones, and it has treated us well.

We both draw a small amount off of it each month. Myself, what I pull out a month pays for momma's '64 Cutlass that I bought for her, and gives me some change to play with. What she gets a month from the investments gives her spending money to play with, but we still gain in our investments. And granted, it's only a few hundred each we draw off each month. Plus with the overtime we worked, gave us a bigger pension, and gave me more on my disability.

Over the years with working so much overtime, gave us the opportunity to add to the house, build a building for my wife, and build myself a garage. We could have paid the house off as we only owed like $20 some thousand. The improvements built up a lot of equity in our house, so last year we decided to do one final thing and that was to refinance to add to my garage, and build a patio entertainment place with a fireplace and grille. An outdoor kitchen so to speak. Our house payment would have been lower as we only refinanced for 10 years, but we pay more on the payment, so we will be paid off in 7 years.

But to answer your question on how one does it........it boils down to one thing.......WORK. Then after the work, make smart choices. Talk to an investment counselor. I also took on other side jobs to make money. I roofed houses, I remodeled houses, I sided houses. It wasn't easy at times, and we were tired at times, many times, but we had a goal in mind. And we did piss some money away along the line, probably more than we should have. We went to restaurants a lot instead of cooking at home. We bought things that we didn't really need. My wife had over $40,000 worth of Longaberger baskets at one time because she was a Consultant, and got a good deal on them. Now we are stuck with a bunch of baskets that are basically worthless. That was her money though, and her overtime money after we got the house to where we wanted it.

I can't say that we didn't do some stupid moves at times when it came to money, but in the longrun, we put the money where it should go.......into investments, and someone to manage it. Am I a millionaire? Yes.....but only if we would liquidate everything and one of us dies. But for our location and our cost of living, we don't have to worry. If or when something tragic happens, we could sell our house, downsize considerably, move into town, and pay cash for a house on a postage stamp size lot and still have money left over.

The largest factor on "how do you do it" is to not want it right now, but to look at the future, look at what might happen, and plan around that. One's that live for the moment, or only live for today, or try to keep up with the "Jones's", will not get to where you want to be. I've worked with others that just because someone bought a new car, they think they need a new car. Or if they are renting and someone buys a house, they think they have to hurry up and buy a house. But the problem with that is, they buy a house in the wrong neighborhood that will not gain in value, or they make a remodeling job that does not add value.

All it takes is hard work, careful planning, and smart investing which mans put your money where it will make money.
 

mikegt4

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sw ohio
I built my garage (26 x 48) out of pocket. I saved the money over a few years and did everything myself, some tasks with experience and others without but I wanted to learn how to do them. I did my own excavation with a Case backhoe borrowed from my FIL. Made my own forms for the foundation and poured the concrete with the help of some family members. Also did the floor that didn't turn out so well due to not having enough bodies to help, a lesson learned__ no more flatwork.

I pre-built the walls in 16' sections in my parents backyard and hauled them to the building site. A friend and I tilted them up in place and then set the trusses with the help of the backhoe. I did the roof sheathing and shingles pretty much by myself. Windows, doors and electric followed, I had experience in all those things.

I ended up spending about 35-40% of what it would have cost to have someone build it for me. I enjoyed the built (I love to build things) and spent about 6 months on the project.
 

Kev442

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No wall of text from me. I have what I have due to:

No kids
No new vehicles
No credit card balances carried over in 25+ years
No major health set backs
No smoking and drinking in tavern's
No rv's or atv's
No video games or 55" TV's
No snap on tools or bridgeports, etc


That allows me to have a huge garage and a pole building full of projects and go on decent vacations.
Everyone has different priorities in life.
 

bagged89s10

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Tell you what, it's anything but easy. I bought my house right before the economy crashed, my company gave everyone pay cuts and cut bonuses. He value of my house tanked. I wasn't able to gain any equity in my to consolidate student loans, etc. My wife lost her job once and we ended up racking up a ton of debt. She's now a teacher for the state. We were supposed to get reimbursed for her masters degree courses but then the state froze the funds so we got stuck with more debt.

We've paid off a lot of debt but costs associated with having a family/child are astronomical. Daycare costs are like a second mortgage. Luckily work is busy right now and I'm in sales so I have a company car and gas. But it seems like we will never dig out of debt.

The majority of the stuff in my garage was bought when I was in college and when I lived with my parents. The only way I can work on my garage is working with what I have, looking for great deals, and selling off stuff I don't need. I've maybe spent $500 on my garage since buying this house. I reused kitchen cabinets from the house when I gutted the kitchen right after buying it. I've only bought new old tools with money from selling other tools.

So work with what you have and remember, there is no rush so do a little at a time.
 

lat905

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South Jersey
Part of it is choices, part of it is luck.



1 major thing is having a career and not just a job. A lot of that is early choices on where to go where you can tolerate the work and continuously advance, while making decent coin.

2nd is setting priorities and sticking to them.


Personally: Idon't have anything compared to some of the garages on here, but I have a nice house with a nice 2 car that I have put a ton of time and sweat into to make it what I want. I have a good professional job, decent pay. I'm a mechanical engineer for a chemical manufacturer. Downside is I travel all over the country about 70% of the year. With 2 young kids that *****. Luckily my wife has her own business and works from home. We both make good money, so we have new vehicles, I have a project vehicle, and a nice motorcycle I bought new. In some ways its a waste of money, but in others it makes us happy. Good credit, so both daily drivers are 0% interest, motorcycle and project truck are cash purchases.

Over the last 20 years I've probably bought $20,000 in tools. I may have put $8-10k into the inside of the garage, between insulation, drywall, paint, floor, heater, AC, storage, etc. Took me 7 years to get it this far. I started with a bare garage, just studs on the inside and 2 bulbs on the ceiling. When you do things slowly, its not so insurmountable.
 

rweaver

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SW MI. wine country by the lake
Boy do I have friends and know people like leaflessshadetree said!! I take all the overtime I can and do side jobs and literally work my *** off and so does my wife. They wont work over and spend their spare time in the bar and longing around. We live with in our means no atvs and toys unless there for our farm and greenhouse business and they can add to the bottom line. Now I'm 50 and every things paid for and just started spending money on my 24 x 30 shop insulation, heat, a/c, more power and tools. Slow and steady wins the race! (Like Dave Ramsey says live like know one else so later you can live like know one else)
 

bagged89s10

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Boy do I have friends and know people like leaflessshadetree said!! I take all the overtime I can and do side jobs and literally work my *** off and so does my wife. They wont work over and spend their spare time in the bar and longing around. We live with in our means no atvs and toys unless there for our farm and greenhouse business and they can add to the bottom line. Now I'm 50 and every things paid for and just started spending money on my 24 x 30 shop insulation, heat, a/c, more power and tools. Slow and steady wins the race! (Like Dave Ramsey says live like know one else so later you can live like know one else)


What drives me crazy is the people that don't work, get free insurance, daycare and gov assisted housing.
Then they all have iPhones, drive escalades, and just bum around all day. I also know of a guy in my town that makes min wage, gets gov assisted housing, and then gets $10000+ tax refunds. And now wants to buy a house because he has $20000 saved in 2 years. Wtf is wrong with that picture.

You go to school, rack up student loan debt, work your *** off to just get buy. Or you have no skills, work min wage, and get $10000 tax refunds.

The system is screwed up but I like to work for everything I have.
 
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