No one is going to give the satisfaction because you know I'm right. So, will you too be a keyboard commando or will you put your money where your mouth is?
How may Cman ratchets been warrantied?
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No one is going to give the satisfaction because you know I'm right. So, will you too be a keyboard commando or will you put your money where your mouth is?
logical
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I made no comment on whether you were right, I don't even understand what you think you are right about. You want another one of your idiotic keyboard wars go find winlinmac or someone. I'm not your guy.
Read what I said, digest it, maybe have a friend explain it to you, accept that it is all that I said, and understand that it is the end of it.
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Shiftless
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Let's just all agree that the round head fine tooth ratchets are excellent tools. Whenever I see one at a garage sale, I pick it up.
mudflap
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BaMaDuDe87
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How may Cman ratchets been sold?
Cato
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I bet Sears made tons of money off the RP ratchet. For most guys it works fine for putting together furniture and the once in a blue moon auto repair.
Then there are the small number of guys who rebuild cars for fun and might need a rebuild kit. Of course there are the guys who pick them up at yard sales or inherit them and might need a rebuild kit too. But in the grand scheme of things, that's not a lot of guys.
It's pretty much the cheapest ratchet on the market and works for 99% of folks.
Then there are the small number of guys who rebuild cars for fun and might need a rebuild kit. Of course there are the guys who pick them up at yard sales or inherit them and might need a rebuild kit too. But in the grand scheme of things, that's not a lot of guys.
It's pretty much the cheapest ratchet on the market and works for 99% of folks.
zhaddock
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^^This^^
It seems that the "China=****, USA=Light of God" faction doesn't get that.
Stuff is manufactured to a price point and lower prices generally mean lower quality. China has/had a cheap labor force so companies could spec the lowest delivered price there.
Where something is made means nothing. You can buy top notch stuff made in China but it will cost you the nearly the same as something that was made in a first world country. So fine, if you need the best buy local but stop beating a dead horse with your China made **** rhetoric.
d.mcfarland
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Let's not forget the engineering of a quality product to begin with. Quality starts at design and ends with production.
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Like I said, if I wasn't right, they would have been in the mail already. The fact that you're keeping them says that they have value to you.
I don't need your tools, but hey if you're going to throw them out because they are "worthless", then I'm sure some of us wouldn't mind having them.
Although I don't really understand the meaning of the word 'warrantied' as used in the OP, I think it means 'having been returned to Sears for replacement'. I have taken two back but they didn't replace them - I was given a rebuild kit each time that worked fine, which is what I preferred anyway, so I got to keep my tools that I had for over 40 years. I know exactly what happened to my 1/2" drive ratchet; the ape at the service station (you remember those places where they sold gas and actually worked on cars?) used a large 'cross' to tighten some lugs on my 65 Mustang. At some later time I wanted to change that wheel out and could not break the lugs loose. I did not have a long breaker at that time. I ended up with a 36" piece of galvanized pipe on the ratchet and jumping on it. The socket broke! At some time (years) after that the ratchet failed. I've never had a Cman tool fail without being grossly abused. In fact, I have bought replacements rather than seek a free replacement in some instances where I had used the tool improperly - like jumping a starter motor with a big Cman screwdriver. 
It's a silly point you think you are making. So put your money where your mouth (keyboard) is. I have two 1/4" drive RP ratchets and two 3/8" RP ratchets I don't expect to use again. If you want to make an actual point about them having value, I'll let you have them for $1 each plus actual shipping.
I'm not joking.
Although I don't really understand the meaning of the word 'warrantied' as used in the OP, I think it means 'having been returned to Sears for replacement'. I have taken two back but they didn't replace them - I was given a rebuild kit each time that worked fine, which is what I preferred anyway, so I got to keep my tools that I had for over 40 years. I know exactly what happened to my 1/2" drive ratchet; the ape at the service station (you remember those places where they sold gas and actually worked on cars?) used a large 'cross' to tighten some lugs on my 65 Mustang. At some later time I wanted to change that wheel out and could not break the lugs loose. I did not have a long breaker at that time. I ended up with a 36" piece of galvanized pipe on the ratchet and jumping on it. The socket broke! At some time (years) after that the ratchet failed. I've never had a Cman tool fail without being grossly abused. In fact, I have bought replacements rather than seek a free replacement in some instances where I had used the tool improperly - like jumping a starter motor with a big Cman screwdriver.
Or one I heard at work not that long ago, "those Craftsman screwdrivers, especially the big ones are good as chisels or prybars". I died laughing. I have plenty of prybars and chisels (and they are Craftsmans....)
RedneckWelder
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The big craftsman flathead screwdriver IS an excellent prybar for where you can't get a normal profile prybar in...
I'll put my money where my mouth is. $11 would cover all of them with shipping.
Considering the original inventor fought it in court for the better part of 20 years, I'd agree that they made a pretty penny off of it.
To the original question, I've had Sears replace two 1/2" ratchets (in one day, no less). I was in my late teens/early '20s and lifting a lot of weights, and broke two in one day replacing the U-bolts in a rusty Jeep. Probably not technically abuse as I didn't have a cheater, but clearly beyond what the engineer squirrels anticipated....
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Let me snag a small flat rate box and make sure they will all fit inside. If so, $10 will be fine.
I was planning to give them away for the cost of shipping so I'll buy a beer with the $4 bonus.
Good deal. PM me with how I would pay you and I'll give you my e-mail addy to send the invoice (if you use PP).
Thx.
dodge610
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If you get those for $10.00 let me know ponch I will take 1 of each and split the cost with you. I will gladly add to ratchets too my box for $ 5.00 and rebuild them. While the guy that lost them kicks himself for doing so.
dodge610
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Hey ponch scroll thru this thread and notice how many of the debbie downers are still signed into this thread. Sort of comical.
Scream: Do you want to split a set of 1/4" and 3/8" one for me and one for ""Dodge Dave" and we'll each pay ya separately for what we owe?
(Dave, will that work for you?)
If you get those for $10.00 let me know ponch I will take 1 of each and split the cost with you. I will gladly add to ratchets too my box for $ 5.00 and rebuild them. While the guy that lost them kicks himself for doing so.
Yea, I'll be kicking myself daily for not having them. Like I said, I was planning to give them away for free. I haven't touched them for months since I have some nicer stuff now. They don't even have value to me as backups or anything at this point.
I do hope whoever ends up with them will actually use them and not just let them sit though.
Once I get my 1/2" drive ratchet situation sorted I might give away the two raised panels I have in that size.
Chris
Dodge: You mean the ones with the Craftsman "polluting" their toolboxes? The horror of it all....
I don't think you know how that works. Pretty sure there is no being signed into a thread.
I'll put 'em to good use. I already have a spot for them next to the #44809 1/2" RP unit.
Since Dodge Dave wants a set, would it be OK that we each pay you for a set? I can use both sets, but I'd like to be fair to Dodge. Let me know.
If you guys will actually use the things you can have them for free. Just don't make it a pain in the *** for me beyond stopping by the PO or make it actually cost me $$.
dodge610
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I will take a set and they will get used not abused. And yes I know how it works not a comp. guru but correct me if I am wrong little green light next yo the report button means your active and signed on no green light means inactive and not signed in. To be fair to ponch I am sure he will take 1 of the 2 1/2 drives I also want to be fair.
Rileysan
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I bought my first Craftsman master tool kit 28 years ago - and have never broken a ratchet. That doesn't mean I like them all that much, just that I haven't been able to break one. The sockets on the other hand ...
Nowadays, I use my Craftsman tools at home and my Snap-on, et al, at work. While quality matters to me, I won't hesitate to pick up Craftsman tools if the price is right but I'll never consider them to be throw-away tools.
Nowadays, I use my Craftsman tools at home and my Snap-on, et al, at work. While quality matters to me, I won't hesitate to pick up Craftsman tools if the price is right but I'll never consider them to be throw-away tools.
We both PM'ed you, so let us know. Enjoy your night out with your SO....and thanks.
I'm sure many GJ members started with CM RP at some point in their youth or career that are now collecting dust somewhere. Mine got the job done or task at hand but upgrading to better ratchets over time relegated the CM RP as either good backups or lenders. CM RP makes a decent affordable beginner's ratchet that doesn't deserve to be compared with more expensive fine tooth ratchets. It is what it is and since the low-end imports have stepped up their ratchet game, the CM RP just needs to be redesigned to compete. Sears CM has been rebranding other manufacturers for years so they can either improve the design or just rebrand a good import version like all the others (husky,kobalt,HF).
As we have seen, the bottom line is that you won't give them up. For what they cost you, they have easily earned their keep and then some.
dodge610
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I am a firm believer that all tool manu. have there lemons. But I have had quite a few and my craftsman seem to with hold the test of time. Some of the other brands not so much. snappy has a good ratchet I even have a few in my box but my go to is my craftsman.
Mechanical Noise
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I'd like to trade for ratchets I don't already have. I have a few of the Harbor Freight Pro ratchets and I think they're quite good. I believe they've taken Craftsman's place as the best bang for the buck.
The ratchets included in the imported "40 tools for $4.00!" sets are considerably worse than the Craftsman pear heads.
Seriously, I'd like to get some ratchets I'm unfamiliar with. Ratchets are more complex than most handtools and have their own "personalities".
Cleaning and lubing is my limit.
I gave an assortment of tools including a couple of unused Craftsman pearhead ratchets to my nephew last year. He was taking a High School auto course. I don't think he stuck with it. Kids these days!
Replied to you both.
By the way, I'm not in any way a Craftsman basher. I own a bunch of USA made Craftsman stuff. Just search my posts for "talk me into or out of upgrading" for pictures of just the sockets and wrenches I own.
But I agree with the people saying these RP ratchets are low quality. I can honestly tell you if I saw one that looked brand new for $2, I wouldn't even think about buying it.
rancherbill
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Ponce de Leon searched for the fountain of youth. Craftsman tool buyers think they have finally found it.
Tools are consumables.
I know you're not and I appreciate your offer. I for one have never had trouble with them and I know several others haven't either. Remember, a Craftsman RP doesn't cost what others cost and it still gets the job done admirably.
They're a breeze to rebuild. I can do them in no time flat. I've got a good stock of kits and I've brought several back to life that were rusted shut that I got off Ebay. I dump the guts out, spray them clean and put in new guts. I then save and clean the old guts and keep 'em for spares, marking them as such.
Nine times out of ten, it's dirt that stops them, not broken parts.
Well said. My go to set is the original Tri-Wing set I bought in 1990. I still have the receipt and the set is 95% original. I lost two sockets which I replaced and last year, I had to replace one socket that finally cracked. That's it.
Brownsfan
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I have a set of RP ratchets that NEVER get used anymore. I use the 60t thin profile and 84t premiums and Cornwell and SK now. I also have a set of RP wrenches that are rarely used. I am not getting rid of them . Why? Because they are from the mid 90s and USA MADE. And you can't buy that combo anymore. I also have a very complete set of Craftsman USA made sockets that get used all the time. Never felt the need to upgrade. I won't be getting rid of those either.
67King
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You are welcome to mine. I'm not going to go waste a day going to the post office, HOPING they have a small flat rate box, standing in line, telling the guy I do NOT want any additional coverage, stamps, delivery confirmation, or any of that other ****.
So if you are willing to come get them and save me from the time it takes to "give them up," come on down. But for what my time is worth, the time it takes to send them out is an upside down proposition.
In other words, I'm willing to give them up. I am NOT, however, willing to go out of my way to send them away.
Now, if you aren't willing to go out of your way and spend time out of your day to take them off of my hands, then they have obviously not earned their keep with you.
(on edit) the analogy of "proving a negative" comes to mind. Implying that folks who won't go out of their way to give then away somehow see value in them is the equivalent of asking folks to prove a negative.
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