pmiranda
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Saw this the other day and thought you’d get a kick out of it. If you ever needed to change or add a breaker here, you’d have to remove the whole cabinet! On the plus side all the circuits are nicely labeled.
How not to provide panel access
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Stuart in MN
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Guess they didn't read the part in the NEC about providing adequate working space in front of a panel.
That is just typical America.
Mobile homes with breaker boxes in closets with **** pile in them . . . without the covers on them.
mike93lx
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An absolute psychopath installed those breakers.
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I was immediately angry when I saw them.
mike93lx
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I feel compelled to leave trio electric a ****** review just for that
mike93lx
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Yeah. That dude needs a hug
mike93lx
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Great point and definitely applicable here
I will admit I have a cabinet mounted over my panel, but It is much larger than the panel and no back or top on it other than a face frame. It is shallow too, maybe an inch deeper than the panel. Plenty of room on the sides and top for service or adding circuits. I just added a 6/3, 50 amp circuit with no issues.
Yeah, I know, it probably violates NEC, but I don't care.
Yeah, I know, it probably violates NEC, but I don't care.
mike93lx
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And with each of those lighting circuits pulling less than an amp or two, it doesn't matter. Didn't even matter when everything was incandescent, either.
Trailers "mobile homes" are not built under building codes, they are built to HUD standards.
Yes, but when the covers are off with boxes and clothes (including stuff like wire hangers) are piled directly against the breakers, you wonder to yourself," how has this not caught on fire ?"
mike93lx
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You thinking it's unsafe doesn't make it actually unsafeGetting away with something doesn't make it safe
I take zero responsible for the sins of interior finishers and other handymen.
Mobile homes aren't exempt from rules, they have their own rules - and then regular Code takes over for modifications. I'm not aware of any exceptions for panel working clearance.
Mobile homes aren't exempt from rules, they have their own rules - and then regular Code takes over for modifications. I'm not aware of any exceptions for panel working clearance.
Renegade1LI
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That's actually a nice Install, come to the Adirondacks if you want a few laughs.
Professor Fate
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If sparky had to get in there he/she would not remove the cabinet. Out comes the oscillating tool and voila, a new bigger hole.
johnre
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I think the cabinet back opening was cut to a large enough size that the panel could be removed.
Then they covered it with the black tape to trim it out all nice and neat.
But they could have used a sharp knife to finish it like a wallpaper joint; it might not even be noticed - not.
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sparky 1971
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Is it me or the picture? How in the blue hell is the panel cover held on? It looks to me like the sides of the cover have been cut off and there aren't any screws.
By the way, I've seen worse. I went on a service call to add a circuit and receptacle where a wall with no access behind it was built about 4' away from the panel, the only access was a hole 18" wide and 2' tall in the wall in front of the panel with a kitchen cabinet door screwed to it and arms weren't long enough to even open the cover door without standing on a paint can so I gave the customer three options: 1) I could cut a hole in the wall big enough for me to walk through, 2) he could cut a hole in the wall big enough for me to walk through, or 3) I could leave and he could find someone else. After being informed that I was an ungrateful lazy ***** that didn't feel like dealing with a little obstruction, I told him he was an effing idiot and left. When I got back to the shop that afternoon the boss informed me while laughing that he had a call from the customer complaining about my attitude. When I told him about it, the boss called the customer to tell him that he talked to me about it and that he was, and I quote, a *******. If I could find someone like him to work for again, I'd shut my business down in a heartbeat.
By the way, I've seen worse. I went on a service call to add a circuit and receptacle where a wall with no access behind it was built about 4' away from the panel, the only access was a hole 18" wide and 2' tall in the wall in front of the panel with a kitchen cabinet door screwed to it and arms weren't long enough to even open the cover door without standing on a paint can so I gave the customer three options: 1) I could cut a hole in the wall big enough for me to walk through, 2) he could cut a hole in the wall big enough for me to walk through, or 3) I could leave and he could find someone else. After being informed that I was an ungrateful lazy ***** that didn't feel like dealing with a little obstruction, I told him he was an effing idiot and left. When I got back to the shop that afternoon the boss informed me while laughing that he had a call from the customer complaining about my attitude. When I told him about it, the boss called the customer to tell him that he talked to me about it and that he was, and I quote, a *******. If I could find someone like him to work for again, I'd shut my business down in a heartbeat.
mike93lx
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The cabinet is covering the screws
sparky 1971
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It must be shadowing. It sure looks to me like the cover just stops.
mike93lx
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The black is tape acting as trim for the cut that probably looks like ***. At least more like *** than it already does
sparky 1971
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Aaah. Black tape. I thought that was the edge of the hole. Damned tablet and it's small screen.
johnre
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I think we are all being way too harsh on the black tape thing. Tell me who amongst us isn't aware of its ability to cover up and thereby ignore a MIL on an old vehicle?
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It's simpler if you call them....they left their # on the legend.
SlotlessMan
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I am no electrician but I do not see a glaring issue with the box itself. Likely, the surround was done by the homeowner or his brother well after the electricians truck and inspector left the driveway. Not a wide enough picture to discern more.
You are taping your Mother In Law to your vehicle?I think we are all being way too harsh on the black tape thing. Tell me who amongst us isn't aware of its ability to cover up and thereby ignore a MIL on an old vehicle?
ratflinger
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You have an issue with that??
Firebrick43
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The farm house I spent my the majority of my youth in had the fuse panel in the shower.
That was the first of many things my dad changed when he bought it.
That was the first of many things my dad changed when he bought it.
mike93lx
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johnre
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Although I don't think the question is serious -
MIL = Malfunction indicator light, a.k.a.
CEL = Check Engine Light
ratflinger
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dcg9381
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Probably about like RVs are built to RIVA standards:
"The team conducts more than 2,000 unannounced inspections of member company RV manufacturing plants annually"
As about 600,000 RVs are built in the USA every year, that means that less than 1% actually get inspected.
"Voluntary standards" (IE standards not associated with an actual inspection) are not standards. They're just stickers.
Metal-Marc
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Call them and tell them a man on the Internet is annoyed by the spaces between the breakers.