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How are you making out?



Still waiting for a revised total. The adjuster cheap schooled me on everything. He really didn’t understand the word INDUSTRIAL. He would put a $300 light duty cutting / welding outfit (casually forgetting HUGE tanks and cart) to replace a dedicated HD cutting outfit with 2 stage regulators and “you cant get them anymore sized tanks”
 
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So sorry to hear about this, hang in there, and remember everything happens for a reason. Somewhere, somehow, this happened for some reason. Thank God no one got hurt. Keep us posted on your insurance co. I am sure people here can help you. Good Luck
 
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Well something really great has come out of all of this. While the insurance co is dragging its feet and lowballing me, the guys in the tool community have really stepped up. I spend more time these days on one of the other garage forums, and the owner of the site started a tool drive for me. 5 guys have stepped up, and the stuff they have sent me is totally awesome! Long before the fire I have had heath issues and depression, and these gifts have just been a blessing! It has really renewed my faith in the goodness of mankind.
While shop is not up and running I still have to do work as needed, and this year I volunteered at church to get the old equipment running so we can cut the grass there. I have been able to use some of the donated tools to work on the lawn equipment. Despite cursing the person who left fuel in a tractor for ten years, it was good to be able to fix something with donated tools.

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Want some 1/4" drive sockets? I picked up a bag at the flea market the other day (wanted to finish off a set that I use) and have a whole bunch left over, most are SK or Craftsman, some are imported (not the best) and some are older American brands. PM me if you want 'em.
 
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Want some 1/4" drive sockets? I picked up a bag at the flea market the other day (wanted to finish off a set that I use) and have a whole bunch left over, most are SK or Craftsman, some are imported (not the best) and some are older American brands. PM me if you want 'em.

Thank you so much for the offer, but I am all set on basic sockets and basic wrenches.
I went ahead and ordered the craftsman 299 pc set and an impact socket set, and finally the 43 pc combo wrench set.
I posted a partial list of needs over there but I can post on here if there is interest.
I really am truly amazed at the generosity of total strangers; there are some great people in this world.
In my entire life I would go to parties and never meat anyone that I could have an intelligent conversation with, yet here there are so many people I feel I could sit in the shop with for hours.
 

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fflinstone most at a party are either chasing skirts or getting shitfaced ...much better crowd on here than at a party...
 

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I was robbed 15,000$ worth of tools and reloading equipment - I've been through this, it is horrible!!!! Your life will never be the same... 2 years later I'm ok now, actually happier than ever but everything I do now has to do with security including locking up my tools and a new alarm system. As for the fire I'm sure that will effect you in a different way. I rewired my entire house and found probably 90% of the connections to be a complete joke, looks like a 5yr old wired my house, so I'm very glad I tore everything out of there and did it my way (better than the right way :)) Anyways I ended up with all new tools and some tools I didn't use that much so I spent the money on things I would use... so over all I got rid of old worn out tools and got all new tools and I love it now, I'm actually happier now.


Didn't you have a CNC Plasma cutter, and every tool DeWalt made...... haha.... just sayin ;)
 
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Didn't you have a CNC Plasma cutter, and every tool DeWalt made...... haha.... just sayin ;)



I lost enough with out padding anything. I did lose a plasma cutter. I just want 100% of the value of what I lost. I paid for 100% replacement not 50% cash value. And I want the friggin adjuster to not put something with “light duty” in the title to replace something I listed as “industrial”
 
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any new news on the insurance company ?????:headscrat

Today we sent a return receipt letter restating our position, the checks the sent us (voided) and 2 quotes to replace the building. he was a grand shy of what it would cost to have it done. I had not read this earlier but they also want to give me half the value of the building and if it costs more, then a supplemental policy MAY be available. How do you replace half a building?
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In good faith I paid a premium for years for “100% replacement cost” IMO that means if a wheelbarrow is stolen or destroyed; I should receive enough money to buy a new wheelbarrow. I did not ask for 50% cash value policy.
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Also the supplemental policies have a maximum of 180 days from time of loss, so they want me to replace a 35-year tool collection in what is now just over 4 months?

I have three courses of action I can follow. One is to file a formal complaint with our states insurance regulatory commission. This will get their attention, as all complaints have to be investigated and documented.

The second option is more to the jugular and I feel may be the best in this case. I will not reveal this at this time.

The third is filing suit.

Guys I really will tell all when this is over. Please respect that I have to protect myself incase this goes all the way to litigation.

The only thing I can say is talk to your agent and make sure you like the terms of the policy you have.
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Is there anything you could/should have done prior to the loss that would have made the insurance experience smoother? Things such as pictures, receipts or anything else?

I am terrible about keeping receipts and there are a lot of tools I do not use very often. If I had to make a list of every tool from memory, I would be screwed. I am almost complete with my new garage and I was thinking I should take a picture of every tool as I haul them into the new building.
 

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My insurance company would replace it if they bought it and shipped it to my house, but if i wanted cash back then i got a depreciated amount, funny thing is they depreciated all my bullets that I bought for 15$ and now they are about 20$ a box... weird... but that's a joke that they won't replace it for the exact model or better if that exact model isn't available anymore as my insurance company would after a months of arguing that i don't have receipts for all my stuff. I choose to go the cash route and get less money only because I didn't want some of the things that were stolen anymore, the insurance company only replaced certain things I chose for them to replace, like power tools. I haven't read this whole thread tho...
 

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Sounds like State Farm. When some of my tools were stolen, they basically said that there was no way I had $8,000 worth of tools in the trunk of my car. Had pictures, receipts, sworn statements from witnesses, it didn't matter.

Truth be told, I wasn't padding anything, and actually forgot a few things on the claim list. Mother fuckers, didn't pay ****, said that I wasn't who I said I was (makes no sense), and tried every end run around paying the claim. I could not afford an attorney so in the end I was s.o.l. All I can say is make the son-of-a-******* pay the full bill plus.
 

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It was State Farm....

Only it took a couple months of random pictures with my stuff in the background, scanned copies of instruction manuals. I had like 10 pages of missing items all typed up nice, and how long I owned them, even a link to a web page for them, as I emailed it to them, I got in a decent relationship with the agent over the phone and email, they also gave me 2 years to find something else I forgot to write down, which I did a couple times without any problems. Also they told me that I needed a police report before they would believe I owned anything without a receipt. I believe they even called the police to talk about what things I had left and if it looked like I owned the other tools or whatever else.
 
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i have state farm. when my house burnt to the ground 5 years ago i was paid 100% replacement value on EVERYTHING,including aprox $25,000 worth of tools in my garage. they were easy to deal with, not a bit of trouble.

to the OP, hope everything works out for you.
 

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It all depends on your agent/adjuster IMO. I was a vol. firefighter for a few years, and my family has been members for decades so i've been around and seen plenty of people go through total losses. Sometimes the adjuster is ON SITE with them at the fire at 3am. others spend weeks just trying to get the ******* on the phone. I'll leave it to you to work out which people had no troubles getting replacement costs vs which had headaches and lawsuits.
 

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This is a painful reminder for all of us to keep an updated list of whats in the shop. I know it is a pain, but could come in handy if need be. Best of luck to you in dealing with the insurance and all. It's already been said, but I'm very happy there were no personal injuries, and that it was not connected to your house. Keep the faith man, it will all turn out for you. Good luck
 
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Another care package arrived today from a guy on the other forum. A Wright 3/8 ratchet, some craftsman extensions and a mixed set of crowfoot wrenches. Also were some vintage truecraft combos and some open end wrenches.
 

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Ok guys, I wept like a baby when I sliced thru the bubble wrap. I don’t know what to say. I don’t have a screen name to put this with. Two people from here have asked for my address so I don’t even which forum this came from. I know how much these can go for on eBay. I really don’t know what to say other than THANK YOU and GOD BLESS YOU!
I am truly speechless and very humbled.



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awesome glad to see people still like to help others i would send ya something but i don't have that much my self.
 
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A bit of detective work and I have determined it is a VERY GENEROUS member from this board! THANK YOU!!!!

I am speechless! Despite getting more bad news from the lawyers, I am still very happy today. There are a lot of great people in this world and I just want to say God bless you all!
 

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im so sorry to hear about your loss... A similar thing happened to a friend of mine... His (and his father's) barn was struck by lightning, and caught fire... It burned to the ground... His 500whp SRT4 was parked outside the barn, and the front half of the car melted from the heat, totalling the car. Inside the barn was easily $250k worth of tools & equipment (Snap on everything, 5-6 big blocks, welders, plasmas, you name it)...

They have been fighting with the insurance company for 4 years now... Last he told me they've offered like $75k...

I love to see that the community is stepping up to help you... :)
 

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Fflintstone-again, sorry for your loss and hope it all works out.

While it won't help you, I did buy four more small fire extinguishers for the shop.

As soon as I collect on another big job, I'll get more. I told my tech that eventually, there will be a fire extinguisher every ten feet, it's about 20 now. There is one beside every door now.

Prayers and good thoughts coming your way.
 

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Fell your pain.
Get real thinking about my "chicken coop" (garage)

P.S. If you planing to reuse your air tank, please make sure to certify it. Just my $0.02
 
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Post it. Let's see what you need.

This is pretty much what was posted over there.

Adapters in all sizes.
U joints in all sizes
¼” Extensions & drive tools
Punches & chisels (Epstein’s has some nice sets like Uncle Buck said)
Scrapers
Ignition wrenches.
Line wrenches
Brake tools (Epstein’s has some nice stuff0
A pair of shop scissors
Feeler gauges.
Specialty sockets (hex, Torx. Spark plug. ETC)
Blow guns
Mirrors and magnets.
Picks.


Due to some awesome donations and me spending WAY TOO MUCH money at sears. I am all set on basic wrenches, basic and Impact sockets.

BULL has my address, you can PM him or me.
 
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Fflintstone-again, sorry for your loss and hope it all works out.

While it won't help you, I did buy four more small fire extinguishers for the shop.

As soon as I collect on another big job, I'll get more. I told my tech that eventually, there will be a fire extinguisher every ten feet, it's about 20 now. There is one beside every door now.

Prayers and good thoughts coming your way.

Just as a point of reference, 3 fire extinguishers burned in the fire.
Having them in the shop should help you get out. They really only will work if you are there when it starts.
What may have helped is if I had a much larger extinguisher. I did use the one from the house but the fire was too far along. I am going to try to build a very small metal shed (porta john size) in sheet metal to store all my flammables.

Thank you for the prayers, they mean a lot, thank you!
 
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Speechless...
P.S. If you planing to reuse your air tank, please make sure to certify it. Just my $0.02

I PM’d one of our resident air system experts and he explained how to do a homespun hydro test.

I like the idea of an extra 80 gallons of air storage and cooling.

I have to get another compressor before I worry about that.


I could make one heck of a smoker out of it.
 

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I haven't read through everything yet, but why don't you replace one item at a time. And make them settle with you for each individual item. I would think that you would eventually wear out the adjuster?
 
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I haven't read through everything yet, but why don't you replace one item at a time. And make them settle with you for each individual item. I would think that you would eventually wear out the adjuster?


The bottom line is they only want to pay 50% value on a 100% replacement cost policy.
I gave them a list of approximately 200 TYPES of items. You would not believe how inaccurate they were with comparables. Some of them were a wash money wise but over 3 dozen were grossly undervalued.
Over the years I acquired 4 chainsaws, I don’t need 4 chainsaws, I want a bigger MIG welder. I paid for full replacement cost, I want full replacement cost. It is none of there business if I buy tools or take my kid to Disneyland.
 

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My homeowners ins only values the garage at a percentage of the house value. There is a set pecentage of that evaluation for the contents. In most cases you can value add to the policy but there are limits. You can however get an insurance policy for the tools as a separate policy. I doubt your home owners policy will cover your entire lose, possibly none if it is an outbuilding... :(
 
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My homeowners ins only values the garage at a percentage of the house value. There is a set pecentage of that evaluation for the contents. In most cases you can value add to the policy but there are limits. You can however get an insurance policy for the tools as a separate policy. I doubt your home owners policy will cover your entire lose, possibly none if it is an outbuilding... :(

garages, out buildings are covered @ 10%. personal property(tools) is covered wherever it is. if someone breaks into your car and steals a big power tool you are covered. thats what homeowners insurance is for.
 

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My homeowners ins only values the garage at a percentage of the house value. There is a set percentage of that evaluation for the contents. In most cases you can value add to the policy but there are limits. You can however get an insurance policy for the tools as a separate policy. I doubt your home owners policy will cover your entire lose, possibly none if it is an outbuilding... :(


Incorrect, at least in all my dealings with insurance companies.

Yes, your outbuildings are typically valued at a percentage, typically 10%, of your "principal residence". You can, and probably should, add to that number as needed. If your house is valued at $200,000, you will be paid for up to $20,000 worth of repair or replacement whichever comes first. Construction materials are covered at 90% until you show receipts for replacement.

The contents of your buildings are covered under "personal property" according to your policy limitations, either a set amount, or full replacement value.
In the case of my insurance company, you make a list, on the provided forms, of lost or damaged items, including the replacement value from whatever source you can come up with. You will initially be paid 90% of the value listed, and the final 10% when you show receipts for the replacement, if you chose to do so. If you choose not to replace the individual items you will lose that 10% on each one.

Vehicles are covered under their own policy whether they are inside a building or not. There is typically no coverage for unlicensed vehicles, but that varies by insurance company. My father got paid for a tornado damaged unlicensed jeep that was used as a farm vehicle just like it was personal property.
 

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The bottom line is they only want to pay 50% value on a 100% replacement cost policy.
I gave them a list of approximately 200 TYPES of items. You would not believe how inaccurate they were with comparables. Some of them were a wash money wise but over 3 dozen were grossly undervalued.
Over the years I acquired 4 chainsaws, I don’t need 4 chainsaws, I want a bigger MIG welder. I paid for full replacement cost, I want full replacement cost. It is none of there business if I buy tools or take my kid to Disneyland.

most insurance reads that if you do not replace that item you do not get the money in full for it--SORRY -but i think you might run into ALOT of trouble on this point if your policy is listed that way :lol_hitti
 

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Just as a point of reference, 3 fire extinguishers burned in the fire.
Having them in the shop should help you get out. They really only will work if you are there when it starts.
What may have helped is if I had a much larger extinguisher. I did use the one from the house but the fire was too far along. I am going to try to build a very small metal shed (porta john size) in sheet metal to store all my flammables.

Thank you for the prayers, they mean a lot, thank you!

You're welcome, your experience has me scared spitless. My hope with the fire extinguishers is that if a fire should start, we can extinguish it before it becomes fully involved.

W/R/T your flammables cabinet, it is a common misconception that just the cabinet is enough. They must be vented to the outside, otherwise, the cabinet can become a bomb.

If the inside of the cabinet temperature increases and the materials stored therein begin to vaporize, the concentration inside the cabinet can exceed the lower flammability/explosive limit. Opening the door can generate enough static to ignite the materials.

As one of my old HAZWOPER instructors once said, "what do you become when YOU enter a space with a concentration of a flammable above its lower explosive limit? An ignition source!". Yeah, it's one of those things you're taught that you NEVER forget.
 
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W/R/T your flammables cabinet, it is a common misconception that just the cabinet is enough. They must be vented to the outside, otherwise, the cabinet can become a bomb.

not a storage cabinet but its own seperate structure. 20-30 feet away from the shop. yes it would be vented.
 
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This was waiting for me when we arrived home. This is the 8th set of donated tools to arive. It came from a generous member of the garage journal. Before the fire I was just starting to compile a basic tool kit for my son. He sent a vintage Craftsman ¼ drive set (9 sockets, 2 extensions, T handle, vintage ratchet, breaker bar & modern flex extension) for my son.
For me there are (4) 3/8 extensions, (3) ¼” extensions, (2) drag link sockets, #3 Philips socket (2) U joints. A pair of Klein pliers, and a husky ¼ ratchet.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!

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