Toolhorder
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Haven't been on a Mac or Matco truck in a while? Just a pricey except you are paying a big price for a re-branded overseas made tool.
I love Snap-On tools ..BUT
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Haven't been on a Mac or Matco truck in a while? Just a pricey except you are paying a big price for a re-branded overseas made tool.
AffableCurmudgeon
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Would not need to buy on credit with Craftsman or Kobalt.
Also, if one does need credit, American Express offers credit, or Visa or Master Card. That credit is not limited to any one brand. Available with UPS truck.
I am not seeing the cost advantage. If a stubby set costs 10 times more, does it last 10 times longer for the original owner? I am trying to see the long term cost saving but not seeing it in this instance.
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Toolhorder
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Oh and for the record I would buy it. I have the smaller metric and SAE set of stubby wrenches and they are good, never had an issue with them. Don't really need a "master set" of stubby wrenches but if I found a second hand set I would get them to fill out a set.
I think the big disconnect guys that don't wrench for a living don't see is that tools are a career long investment. For me the initial cost isn't the most important factor quality is. Over my career $1k isn't much. My tools get worked pretty hard I want the best.
I think the big disconnect guys that don't wrench for a living don't see is that tools are a career long investment. For me the initial cost isn't the most important factor quality is. Over my career $1k isn't much. My tools get worked pretty hard I want the best.
Toolhorder
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Would not need to buy on credit with Craftman or Kobalt.
Also, if one does need credit, American Express offers credit, or Visa or Master Card. That credit is not limited to any one brand. Available with UPS truck.
I am not seeing the cost advantage. If a stubby set costs 10 times more, does it last 10 times longer for the original owner? I am trying to see the long term cost saving but not seeing it in this instance.
Except truck credit has no finance charge. A credit card will.
It probably would last the lifetime of the owner compared to other brands. Comparing the quality to C-man and Kobalt is like comparing a Kia to a Landcruiser. Both drive down the road but they are not the same quality.
AffableCurmudgeon
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You are missing my point. If a person buys 5 stubby sets in his life time and they are each a 10th of the cost of this set, that person will save money in the long term.
Also, credit is never free. Truck does charge you interest. It is baked into the cost of the tool. No free lunches, ever.
Maexle
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I have a nice set of Williams Taiwan stubby wrenches (SAE and metric), do they last as long as SO ?? i don't know, probably not, but i paid around 50$, fact is: i cannot get enough force on stubbies anyways to break them (my last name is not Schwarzenegger....) and the fitment is great (i won't mess up up fasteners) i bought them for particular reasons: tight spots ! And not for loosening lug nuts. BUT, i don't make a living out of working on vehicles.
So, if you have to use them on a daily basis, why not getting the best ("best" as in the eye of the beholder")
Toolhorder
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That's not true. If I see a promo for a screwdriver set and it's $99 and I throw it on my revolving truck account over 10 weeks it's the same price as if I pay cash for it same day I got the set. Just because you think it's expensive doesn't mean it's built in. That's nonsense.
I can buy a cheaper brand tool and if it breaks (probably open ends will spread under a load) then I'll have downtime replacing it since I'll have to sent it in the mail or visit a brick and mortar store to get it replaced if it has a warranty at all. I just don't have that kind of time. A DIYer has plenty of time to do this and that's probably a better option for that type of person. It's just my opinion though
Conductor562
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Holy Mary mother of God! Wonder what the mark-up percentage is on that set? As a Proto loyalist I understand and appreciate the long term value of high quality tools, but seriously, $1,000 for a short wrench set? Are they hand forged by holocaust survivors at a secret foundry near the Earth's core with steel recycled from downed alien space craft and baptized in vintage cognacs recovered from the Titanic?
Toolhorder
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No, just forged by red blooded Americans in Kenosha, WI.
Maexle
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Nope, they are personally hardened by the pope with the water of the holy dwell of Lourdes......
Conductor562
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So are a lot of other wrench sets that cost a fraction of the price. I only buy American tools (with the exception of those spanish locking pliers) but damn.
Maexle
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+1 that doesn't justify the price...but whatever makes one happy....
SpiderGearsMan
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Would not need to buy on credit with Craftsman or Kobalt.
Also, if one does need credit, American Express offers credit, or Visa or Master Card. That credit is not limited to any one brand. Available with UPS truck.
I am not seeing the cost advantage. If a stubby set costs 10 times more, does it last 10 times longer for the original owner? I am trying to see the long term cost saving but not seeing it in this instance.
ya , but those tools are ****
SpiderGearsMan
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those aren't midgets , those are stubby
I go to 1 inch in stubby ..3/4 in midget
I go to 1 inch in stubby ..3/4 in midget
Just because they don't cost $1000?
Re: I love SnapOn tools ..BUT
Because a 7 pieces stubby SK wrench set only cost $41.
http://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=SKT86237&source=froogle&kw=SKT86237
Because a 7 pieces stubby SK wrench set only cost $41.
http://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=SKT86237&source=froogle&kw=SKT86237
Re: I love SnapOn tools ..BUT
Yes... There are numerous sets cheaper than the snap on set linked. Is the whole snap on price point "New" to you old tools? Btw it's a rhetorical question, I've been around here long enough to know your ways. I might add... If you want to continue to compare sets, at least link one that has comparable sizes to the OP's.
Yes... There are numerous sets cheaper than the snap on set linked. Is the whole snap on price point "New" to you old tools? Btw it's a rhetorical question, I've been around here long enough to know your ways. I might add... If you want to continue to compare sets, at least link one that has comparable sizes to the OP's.
Re: I love SnapOn tools ..BUT
That set only goes up to 3/4''. Go find me a set that goes up to 1-3/8''.
That set only goes up to 3/4''. Go find me a set that goes up to 1-3/8''.
Re: I love SnapOn tools ..BUT
I understand Snap On is a professional brand, but they don't have to make it so expensive (think Armstrong, Wright, Proto). Everybody aspire to own the best. Just because someone is a DYIer does not mean he should not buy Snap On tools. But when he see Snap On price, he has to use common sense and buy what he can afford. This mean buying Craftsman, HF, or other affordable brands.
I understand Snap On is a professional brand, but they don't have to make it so expensive (think Armstrong, Wright, Proto). Everybody aspire to own the best. Just because someone is a DYIer does not mean he should not buy Snap On tools. But when he see Snap On price, he has to use common sense and buy what he can afford. This mean buying Craftsman, HF, or other affordable brands.
Re: I love SnapOn tools ..BUT
Huh? Can't the same be said for just about every consumer purchase? Sure I'd like to own a 25k suit, but i settle for a JCPenney's model.
Because?
That's what I choose to buy, it doesn't give me ill feelings against any other brand or anyone who owns a 25k suit. I guess I do t understand why it bothers you guys so much...
Huh? Can't the same be said for just about every consumer purchase? Sure I'd like to own a 25k suit, but i settle for a JCPenney's model.
Because?
That's what I choose to buy, it doesn't give me ill feelings against any other brand or anyone who owns a 25k suit. I guess I do t understand why it bothers you guys so much...
dirtydogintex
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Re: I love SnapOn tools ..BUT
hacksaw to suit,
add a brief session on the grinder/wire wheel,
for your own custom wrench to suit the app.
Lost art perhaps?
take a wrench (old or otherwise),
hacksaw to suit,
add a brief session on the grinder/wire wheel,
for your own custom wrench to suit the app.
Lost art perhaps?
Conductor562
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To me the real question this post begs is "Is the price justified by the need?" You have to REALLY be all about some stubby wrenches to pay $1,000 for a set. Who uses that many stubby sizes often enough to pay that? I'm not disputing the quality as its undoubtedly second to none, but who needs them enough to justify a price that staggering?
Snap-on tools are expensive but, after you buy them, you can touch them anytime you want to for the rest of your life. The same cannot be said for food or gasoline. Think about how much money goes out the window each year on living expenses.
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RVDan
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geez we don't really pay that much, that price reflects the full retail of the individual pieces, boxed sets off the truck don't get priced that way.
Generally I only buy sets when they're on sale, they come out to be way less than the online retail price.
Here is the box I just bought https://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/ite...roup_ID=681731&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
$10800? OMG ten grand for an empty box?
No, it was about $7500 after taxes. The monthly special was buy a Triple Bank for the price of a Double Bank, and the Double Bank was on sale too.
Still expensive, but I make my living with my tools.
Sometimes I do wonder though, if I would have a better quality of life is I used Craftsman tools insted.
Generally I only buy sets when they're on sale, they come out to be way less than the online retail price.
Here is the box I just bought https://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/ite...roup_ID=681731&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
$10800? OMG ten grand for an empty box?
No, it was about $7500 after taxes. The monthly special was buy a Triple Bank for the price of a Double Bank, and the Double Bank was on sale too.
Still expensive, but I make my living with my tools.
Sometimes I do wonder though, if I would have a better quality of life is I used Craftsman tools insted.
I see people saying that lesser brands won't last as long and snap on has higher quality, but is that even noticeable on a stubby wrench set? I can't imagine getting enough torque on one of these for the quality to be at a level that would justify $1000.
Absolutely not. You'd be miserable.
Re: I love SnapOn tools ..BUT
I work on heavy duty trucks/equipment. I use tools to their limit everyday.
Farm shop? You've got to be kidding me? Compare the times/quality of work of a "farm shop" to a real shop and you'll understand how funny this is to me. I couldn't count the times I've had to drive out to large commercial farms to fix **** that the owners/hacks they employ have attempted repairs on or mis diagnosed. It's never cheap for them.
Best mechanics? You've never been in a real shop with real techs huh?
Yes it's overpriced but there's nothing out there that comes close to snap on and proto chrome in a professional environment. I've tried it all and every other brand of chrome will break, wrenches will spread, bits will twist and wear out etc.
That's just in reference to their chrome. I prefer other brands for other tools such as IR air tools, norseman tooling, lincoln welders, knipex, mitutoyo etc. Junk doesn't cut it if you use it all day every day.
If you where a pro working in a real production shop you'd understand that while it isn't cheap it's worth it if you're a pro at the top of your game making the top of your pay scale billing thousands every day.
I work on heavy duty trucks/equipment. I use tools to their limit everyday.
Farm shop? You've got to be kidding me? Compare the times/quality of work of a "farm shop" to a real shop and you'll understand how funny this is to me. I couldn't count the times I've had to drive out to large commercial farms to fix **** that the owners/hacks they employ have attempted repairs on or mis diagnosed. It's never cheap for them.
Best mechanics? You've never been in a real shop with real techs huh?
Yes it's overpriced but there's nothing out there that comes close to snap on and proto chrome in a professional environment. I've tried it all and every other brand of chrome will break, wrenches will spread, bits will twist and wear out etc.
That's just in reference to their chrome. I prefer other brands for other tools such as IR air tools, norseman tooling, lincoln welders, knipex, mitutoyo etc. Junk doesn't cut it if you use it all day every day.
If you where a pro working in a real production shop you'd understand that while it isn't cheap it's worth it if you're a pro at the top of your game making the top of your pay scale billing thousands every day.
I was hanging upside down in the bush fixing a pump on a excavator last week.
That 1 1/4" semi stubby saved my ***. A lesser wrench would have spread from the force of my 54" pry bar against it.
Saved me at least a few hours of freezing my A** off.
That to me is worth it.
$50 per wrench? Child's play....stop being cheap bastards and pick up a set of the sockets below:
https://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/ite...roup_ID=683084&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
Try $4200 for one socket...
https://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/ite...roup_ID=683084&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
Try $4200 for one socket...
bcradio
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Re: I love SnapOn tools ..BUT
Yeah there is... PLENTY of other brands come close and/or exceed these. (Think Wright/Hazet/Stahlwille)
How does Koken compare? What about Nepros?
Yeah there is... PLENTY of other brands come close and/or exceed these. (Think Wright/Hazet/Stahlwille)
How does Koken compare? What about Nepros?
PowerGenGuy
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Got a set of Mastercraft Maximum stubbies. Been using them for the last 12yrs., or so. They are great and when on sale at CT, nothing beats them. I use them for tight spots, not high torque, they are fine. Earlier this year I bought a Mastercraft/gearwrench ractheting stubby set just to get the 12mm, i needed it for removing and installing the charge air coolers on a big mitsubishi, (this Mitsi had 4 of them, all removed and new cores installed). Check out Canadian Tires stubbies and stubby ratcheting, good quality, made off shore(taiwan), and decent price. I will never put a cheater bar on a stubby, that makes no sense!
dirtydogintex
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Re: I love SnapOn tools ..BUT
Aren't there arguments for the use of black tools over chrome?
Could it be chrome is primarily for the user - all bright n shiny n sparkly?
Not that there's anything wrong with the need for chrome but seldom is it represented as the personal preference it really is in these types of discussions....
Last I knew fasteners work the same regardless of the tool color - chrome, black, white, camo all work the same.
Aren't there arguments for the use of black tools over chrome?
Could it be chrome is primarily for the user - all bright n shiny n sparkly?
Not that there's anything wrong with the need for chrome but seldom is it represented as the personal preference it really is in these types of discussions....
Wakefield
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Are Wright or Williams wrenches as strong as Snap On? (But Snap On fits through a tight space a little better and a little easier to keep cleaned up?)
hifi_hokie
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$50 per wrench? Child's play....stop being cheap bastards and pick up a set of the sockets below:
https://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/ite...roup_ID=683084&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
Try $4200 for one socket...
How exactly do you turn a 20cm impact?
Hook the PTO up to it? I can see some logic to construction professions for example, due to a long-standing tradition that craftsmen provided their own tools. And this tradition was applied to newer professionals in construction such as electricians and plumbers.
But I don't see this as applicable in a totally unrelated field such as auto mechanics.
Aerospace would be one, as those tools do have to meet tougher standards.
Re: I love SnapOn tools ..BUT
Wright doesn't I know that for a fact. Maybe the new stuff is better than the 20 y o wrenches etc that I have.
I do need to pick up some stawhlwille and hazet stuff, havent had a chance yet. The koken stuff looks nice as well.
Wright doesn't I know that for a fact. Maybe the new stuff is better than the 20 y o wrenches etc that I have.
I do need to pick up some stawhlwille and hazet stuff, havent had a chance yet. The koken stuff looks nice as well.
How exactly do you turn a 20cm impact?
Hydraulic wrenches, 2.5" impacts
genevabuck
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I wonder how high the cost on Snap-On Tools would have to go before techs quit buying them? They've always be costly, but this is crazy.
71goldss
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Ok, I get it that Snap On is often justified in a professional environment, but why do we see so many GJ weekend warriors showing off photos of their latest high dollar Snap On haul? Especially "brand new" Snap On boxes sitting in a home garage? My first thought is always "nice box, but what a fool!"