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Kenwc

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I've gotten along with my clunky Craftsman plier set since the 70's when I bought them. Tools have come a long way in comfort, fit, form and function since then.

I like the large set Channellock has but Knipex is whispering in my ear to start building a set of those....I'm also after high leverage.

I don't work on cars that much but I do restore old woodworking and metalworking machines.

So WWYD????:headscrat
 
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I really like the Mountain and Titan pliers, especially the Titan compound models. Most used are maybe one of my old SK duckbill pliers, once I started using them they seem like the right tool for a lot of stuff.
 

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Why is NWS so popular, compared to knipex or Wiha?
Try a pair and you'll see. =)

All of those brands are popular, but from what I can tell part of the surge in NWS attention is due to the brand only being recently available in the USA. It's the "new" brand on the block that everyone's likely to gush about anyways.

What I like about the pliers is their unique and very comfortable designs. They're different than other pliers, and in a very good way. Build quality is also nice, and overall the pliers are pretty affordable.
 
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I had never paid much attention to NWS but they certainly look impressive.
 

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very happy with the few pairs of Knipex that i've got. the SO truck had a good assortment of them last week.
 

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It's true that the designs have improved. I just made room for a new pair of the NWS 'pistol grip' pliers on my pegboard.

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Jack, what kind of peg board hooks are you using, looks like the're made for pliers.

also, how do you like the pistol grip NWS?
 
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Kenwc

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Pictures just play on our minds with tools...lol Nice looking set of pliers Jack.

So what are some good sources to price the NWS? I see the CL and Knipex all over the place but NWS...not so much.

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Just for me..cool...I'm honored...I guess I can drop the "chadstoolbox" link I was just on.
 
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Kenwc

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Ash just made a few bucks off me. Hope I get a first time buyer GJ member hopehecomesbackformore discount.

I really liked the "realistic" shipping cost.

Thanks for the heads up on the link.
 

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Just for me..cool...I'm honored...I guess I can drop the "chadstoolbox" link I was just on.
I ordered my first few pairs from Chads, and was mostly satisfied, but the lead time was a bit excessive. You really can't go wrong with either one, but Ash/GHT seems to be much more knowledgeable and personally involved with the brand.

Ash just made a few bucks off me. Hope I get a first time buyer GJ member hopehecomesbackformore discount.

I really liked the "realistic" shipping cost.

Thanks for the heads up on the link.
Congrats on your first taste of NWS! All the feedback I've seen from Ash's customers have been overwhelmingly positive.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100284
 
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If you ask me, the subject of pliers begins and ends with Klein. I've never tried the NWS, so I lack commentary on them. I will say that I've found Knipex to be no more impressive than Craftsman or Husky, and no longer of a lifespan.
 
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Kenwc

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And I'll get to post the pics in the lookie what I got thread....

For starters I got:

CombiMax
Needle Nose Pliers
ErgoCombi
Angle Needle Nose Pliers
6.75 " Needle Nose Pliers
7" side cutters
5.75" side cutters

I have Knipex high leverage wire cutters or would have gotten those and in hindsight I wish I had gotten the water pump pliers AKA channel lock pliers (type not brand).

Time for bed lest I spend more money....thanks to you enablers...
 

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For my pliers...

I use PL400B for my main set. (wasn't happy with cman)
Klein Journeyman 2000 Linesman pliers (blue/black pair) - the best imho
knipex 7/10 pump pliers
knipex 12" plier wrench
knipex bolt cutters
channellock 410 nutbusters
channellock 460 straight jaw pliers (big!)
 

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Personally, I'd probably go with Channellock. The reason is that the price/performance ratio cannot be beat in my opinion. Also, they are readily available and made in the USA with pride. I do really like Klein pliers and have found the lineman's, dykes and needle nose (and probably many others which i have not yet used) to be of high quality. The main reason I'm saying they are a 'second' choice is because of the higher price. Are they better quality than Channellock? I don't know... that might be a subjective question but I'd be proud to own either brand.

I will say this though, I do like the grips on the journeyman series better than the code blue grips on the channellocks. So if I were looking for comfort grip versions I'd choose Klein. The only drawback is that the 'journeyman' grips on the Klein pliers do seem to slide off after using them for a while. This is an easy fix with some epoxy though and other than that the grips seem durable.

Knipex does certainly have some quality products and on top of that, some unique products that Channellock and Klein do not produce. However, I have been disappointed with certain models of Knipex pliers which appear to have a very leaky, sloppy joint such as their lineman's and dykes as I mentioned in an earlier post. I like Knipex comfort grips and the cutting edges seem to be good, but the sloppiness is unacceptable to me... I hate to say it but even Harbor Freight Lineman's seem less sloppy. Even though the price range for many of Knipex products are in the range of Klein/Channellock, I'd rather buy the latter brands. Some of the brand highlights are the Cobra and the Pliers-Wrench which are both excellent along with a number of other good products.

(To Knipex: grab a channellock 349 or a klein D2000 series linemans pliers and squeeze the handles together as tight as you can and then do it with your own lineman's pliers... notice how the jaws of the pliers on both the kleins and channellocks do not touch, even after years of usage. Yours on the other hand drips oil out of the joint and the cutting blades overlap when the handles are squeezed... so much so that even the jaws make contact... then tell me yours is not by far the sloppiest of the bunch.)


NWS I have no experience using so far, so I can't comment. Honestly though I would be hesitant to build a large collection as the price is high and support at this point in time I suspect is limited in the USA. With that said I would like to try buying one of their powerbolt diagonal cutters, end nippers and maybe one or two other models which appear unique and/or seem to have some advantages over the competition. So I might get a few in the near future :)

As for the other brands...

Craftsman - The chances I would buy any at this point in time is very low. There are simply better products out there for the price and in my opinion the future of the craftsman brand and their direction is in serious jeopardy as far as I can tell.

Western forge - i am not impressed...

Wilde - haven't tried any yet but might give it a shot in the future... somewhat limited selection though

Husky - the handles are uncomfortable imo and they are overpriced

Kobalt - the quality is decent for the price and at least returns are easy

Harbor freight - I don't like any of them, they 'feel' cheap and are overall low quality... not worth the purchase price for serious usage

Gedore, Hazet etc - can't comment on quality but would not purchase as they are difficult to obtain and support is very limited... if i lived in europe i might think differently

snap on - have not tried their pliers so I can't comment on the quality/value

Only other brands I have tried or can think of at the moment were usually cheap Chinese junk, forgettable or i have very little knowledge of.
 

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Personally, I'd probably go with Channellock. The reason is that the price/performance ratio cannot be beat in my opinion. Also, they are readily available and made in the USA with pride. I do really like Klein pliers and have found the lineman's, dykes and needle nose (and probably many others which i have not yet used) to be of high quality. The main reason I'm saying they are a 'second' choice is because of the higher price. Are they better quality than Channellock? I don't know... that might be a subjective question but I'd be proud to own either brand.

I will say this though, I do like the grips on the journeyman series better than the code blue grips on the channellocks. So if I were looking for comfort grip versions I'd choose Klein. The only drawback is that the 'journeyman' grips on the Klein pliers do seem to slide off after using them for a while. This is an easy fix with some epoxy though and other than that the grips seem durable.

Knipex does certainly have some quality products and on top of that, some unique products that Channellock and Klein do not produce. However, I have been disappointed with certain models of Knipex pliers which appear to have a very leaky, sloppy joint such as their lineman's and dykes as I mentioned in an earlier post. I like Knipex comfort grips and the cutting edges seem to be good, but the sloppiness is unacceptable to me... I hate to say it but even Harbor Freight Lineman's seem less sloppy. Even though the price range for many of Knipex products are in the range of Klein/Channellock, I'd rather buy the latter brands. Some of the brand highlights are the Cobra and the Pliers-Wrench which are both excellent along with a number of other good products.

(To Knipex: grab a channellock 349 or a klein D2000 series linemans pliers and squeeze the handles together as tight as you can and then do it with your own lineman's pliers... notice how the jaws of the pliers on both the kleins and channellocks do not touch, even after years of usage. Yours on the other hand drips oil out of the joint and the cutting blades overlap when the handles are squeezed... so much so that even the jaws make contact... then tell me yours is not by far the sloppiest of the bunch.)


NWS I have no experience using so far, so I can't comment. Honestly though I would be hesitant to build a large collection as the price is high and support at this point in time I suspect is limited in the USA. With that said I would like to try buying one of their powerbolt diagonal cutters, end nippers and maybe one or two other models which appear unique and/or seem to have some advantages over the competition. So I might get a few in the near future :)

As for the other brands...

Craftsman - The chances I would buy any at this point in time is very low. There are simply better products out there for the price and in my opinion the future of the craftsman brand and their direction is in serious jeopardy as far as I can tell.

Western forge - i am not impressed...

Wilde - haven't tried any yet but might give it a shot in the future... somewhat limited selection though

Husky - the handles are uncomfortable imo and they are overpriced

Kobalt - the quality is decent for the price and at least returns are easy

Harbor freight - I don't like any of them, they 'feel' cheap and are overall low quality... not worth the purchase price for serious usage

Gedore, Hazet etc - can't comment on quality but would not purchase as they are difficult to obtain and support is very limited... if i lived in europe i might think differently

snap on - have not tried their pliers so I can't comment on the quality/value

Only other brands I have tried or can think of at the moment were usually cheap Chinese junk, forgettable or i have very little knowledge of.

Wow.

I just had a "*** in the City" troll post moment.


Maybe it's just me.

Mods, feel free to e-mail me and delete if untrue.
 
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Kenwc

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jjjrmx5:

Thanks for the comprehensive write-up on the different brands of pliers. If I didn't have some bonus money burning a hole in my pocket I probably would have gone with CL. The NWS is a treat for me. I didn't wake up this morning with buyers remorse so all is well.

I'm pretty good with dry vague humor but I don't get the *** In The City reference...c'mon....spill it...
 
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I tend to agree with another poster. Most pliers are an area I see no real improvement in the last 20 years..I own them all...klein, knipex, craftsman, snap-on and so on. Sure the Snap-on long nose specialty pliers are a little stronger than the craftsman ones..but in most pliers I own they all do the job just as well and comfortable....linesman, needlenose, dykes, slip joint, end nippers and so on. I will say the Knipex waterpump pliers are light years ahead of the Channellock unit...but the basic pliers.......unless the gripping/cutting surfaces are shot....all you get with Knipex is prettier grips and a shorter break in peorid.
 

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I've been on a Channellock kick lately. The quality is pretty good, their prices are competitive, and they're made in the USA. I have several Craftsman pliers that I've had for years. They work fine too, and I still keep them in my car, at work, at home, etc. There's really nothing wrong with the Craftsman pliers, but I just got carried away and started replacing them with Channellocks, mostly because I felt like buying some new tools.

Jim C.
 

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I mainly use knipex pliers, i have sidecutters, linesmans, needlenose pliers, assorted cable shears/duct cutters, multi grips etc and they are all flawless. I also have a pair of channellock pliers, but the joint seems a little sloppy compared to my knipex ones.

I had a bit of a bad experience with NWS tools. The cutting edge of the pliers were slightly burred when I recieved them and had a minor chip, and when cutting cables they will leave an incomplete cut. As such they have been relegated to the bottom of my toolbox and the only use they get is as disposable tools, ie: lending them out to the work experience kid who has a bad habit of leaving tools out in the weather.

I emailed chadstoolbox, where I bought them from, about my issue but in typical fashion I had no response at all from them so I just put it down as a $25 write off. I guess they can't be bothered providing me with any form of customer service because I am in Australia. I'm not sure if this is a common issue with NWS tools or if I was unlucky, but it has left me hesitant to buy any NWS tools in the future
 
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I have an assortment of pliers. Recently I have been selling off some of my Snap-On pliers (mostly duplicates) because I love Knipex so much. When I got my first set of Knipex, Cobras, I didn't know what to think. They don't feel like what you are used to feeling with Channellocks or other USA brand... it's almost as they feel cheap made at first... but once you get used to them you will wonder why all tongue and groove pliers are not made like that... simply the best.

In my drawer I have some vintage Diamond pliers (I like the smaller stuff, very well made), a few MAC pliers (I would sell these, but they would not bring enough money), Kliens (I have more in another drawer, again would sell most of them if they were worth anything used), Snap-On (this thread is making me think about selling more of my Snap-On stuff because I never reach for it anymore), and Knipex, my favorite. I have not tried NWS yet, but I guess I need to.

On a side note, these Plyworx racks are the best thing in tool organization since the tool box in my opinion.

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I received my NWS shipment from Ash today and I'm pretty upset.

Because I like them so much I have to fork out more $$ to buy more....:beer:

I like them ~alot~...I put em away until my plyworx rack arrives.
 

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I like klein, can't tell the difference between my five year old linemans and my stepfathers 20+ year old pair he used everyday for years. They age really well and are tough as nails. I probably have about four sets scattered around, and they all work like new.

I have channelocks for tongue and groove pliers.

I wish klein made some automotive geared needlenose pliers with angled tips, and extra long versions etc.
 
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